It took every bit of my discipline not to beat the living crap out of Politifact for this stupidity
No, not really.
I’ve never beaten the living crap out of anyone, much less a website. I confess that, although as a child I certainly hit some people back when they hit me, I did zero damage and am in fact a rather weak-armed specimen of humanity, as well as a person who tends to fight only with words.
Even as a blogger I’m kind of mild.
But Politifact had to twist and turn and bob and weave to even attempt to make something a bit less offensive out of what Joe Manchin said about his debate on Novermber 3rd, and whether a tweet from the West Virginia Republican Party about it was correct.
Here’s the tweet:
What did Joe Manchin say about civility? Today, he said he wanted to "beat the living crap out of" his Republican opponent during their debate, at a campaign rally in Marmet. #WVSen https://t.co/2QwJcCbL3A
— WVGOP (@WVGOP) November 4, 2018
That’s indeed what Manchin had said. But this is what Politifact had to say about it, in order to rate it as only “mostly true” rather than “true, true, true”:
The tweet linked to an article in the Washington Free Beacon, a conservative publication, that included verbatim text from the campaign appearance in Marmet, W.Va., as well as an audio clip.
Here’s what Manchin said:
“You might have seen the debate the other night. (Applause) I want to tell you something. It took every bit of my discipline not to beat the living crap out of them. You don’t come to someone’s state. You don’t come in here and not knowing who we are and just be spewing out horrible things. Every other word was trust, liberal, trust, dishonest, and I’m thinking, ‘Trust?’ Here’s a man who ran for Congress, Patrick Morrisey ran for Congress in New Jersey in 2000. He ran in the primary and got beat, only got 9 percent of the vote. Who trusts who?”
Morrissey picked up on the “beat the living crap” remark, tweeting that “the national media should look at so-called Mr. Civility in action.”
But the West Virginia Republican Party’s tweet twisted Manchin’s words by not reporting his entire remark.
In Marmet, Manchin did express his frustration with Morrisey’s attacks in the recent debate — enough frustration to feel an impulse to “beat the living crap out of” his opponent.
But the tweet leaves out an element of what Manchin said — that “it took every bit of my discipline” not to do it. In other words, by the time he was speaking in Marmet, he had already extinguished that impulse.
That said, even what Manchin did say does seem to conflict with a prior pledge in favor of civility.
Ya think?
Actually, the West Virginia GOP’s tweet did not “twist Manchin’s words by not reporting the full quote.” The full quote does indeed say that Manchin
wanted to “beat the living crap out of” his Republican opponent. Nor did Manhin say that he had put the impulse behind him before the debate began. That’s Politifact’s imagination. The full Manchin quote indicates that “it took every bit” of his “discipline” to restrain himself from hauling off and belting his opponent during a debate, a war of words. If it takes every bit of discipline to desist from becoming physically violent, that certainly indicates wanting to do it and yet somehow, even with every ounce of your effort, barely managing to restrain yourself.
In addition, the tweet contained a link to an article with this headline that included the “discipline” part of the quote: “Manchin: ‘It Took Every Bit of My Discipline Not to Beat the Living Crap Out’ of Republican Opponent.”
There was nothing misleading about that WVGOP tweet. There is, however, quite a bit that’s misleading about the Politifact article—although you’d have to be pretty stupid to actually be misled by it.
Manchin, by the way, is 71 years old. I doubt he’ll be beating the living crap out of anyone these days. But his opponent isn’t exactly a spring chicken, either, at 50. I have to say, though, that it’s Manchin who looks more like a lean, mean fighting machine, at least in the physical sense.
Clearly, Manchin can’t handle the truth.
And how is Morrisey only getting 9% of the primary votes in 2000… relevant to his trustworthiness?
Manchin’s running scared and lashing out of fear.
The most astonishing part to me, is Manchin’s notion that trust can somehow be measured by how many votes someone gets in an election.
More schoolyard taunts. So it goes.
by the time he was speaking in Mamet
FIFT.
For the Democrats, “beat the living crap out of…” IS civility.
Compared to what soon will be unleashed.
The real tough guys don’t go around making idle threats.
I read the full Manchin quote. He wanted to beat up Morrissey because he came to West Virginia sometime after the year 2000, and since he wasn’t a West Virginian eighteen years ago, he doesn’t know who West Virginians are. That’s pretty narrow-minded, isn’t it? This is a blatant appeal to prejudice.
This being November 5, I associate violent rhetoric/behavior with the Gunpowder Plot of 1605: “Remember, remember, the fifth of November/Gunpowder treason and plot . . .” It’s a good thing Manchin didn’t talk about wanting to “blow up” his Republican opponent, as the punishments meted out to Guy Fawkes and the other plotters against James I were ghastly. (Yes, I know Manchin’s big mouth and the rest of his person are protected by the Bill of Rights, but it’s useful to be reminded how very precious that document is.)
In order to prevent something one must respond to it way back, when they would have made you a tin hat or conspiracy theorist for seeing symptoms…
this has been going on a bit at a time since the 80s once the kids of the Liberated got less educated and floundered with kids not knowing what or how to rear them. Not only did people not know what to do, even if they did they were losing basic skills that were prevalent and common – including application of morals (and not having better than situational morals).
[censored]
now that government has replaced the man of the house…
it shows it will literally fight for its dominant constituency
what you are hearing is the political equivalent of my boyfriends back and ya gonna be in trouble
The Angels – My Boyfriend’s Back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NuofNHKbVc
politicians do NOT pander to men
democrat politicians are feminist dominated
and women side with the power they think fights for them
(and wins more if more than one fights)
“women side with the power they think fights for them” artfldgr
Generalizing aside, any woman who thinks that when push comes to shove, the left will fight for them…”even onto death” is living in fantasy land. Check out the UK cop’s response to actual crimes vs their response to politically incorrect speech.
The irony is literally biblical.
These phony left wing “fact checkers” have certainly destroyed the “fact checker” brand.
I’m surprised they don’t all have hernias, after all the straining and heavy lifting they have done to transmute statements and events that, on their face, appear to be the truth, into pseud-facts or outright lies, and, in turn, turning lies into supposed “facts.”
Moreover, shading, dissecting and reassembling, yanking inconvenient parts out and putting things back so they sorta look legit, deliberately misinterpreting the truth, has got to be an exhausting enterprise.
Creating and trying to maintain an alternate, counter-factual universe has got to be a huge strain.
After their BS has stunk up the place, who would possibly believe anything they say?
Heck, I am 72 and although Manchin may be younger and larger than me, bring it on dude. If one stays calm and centered in hara, the emotional opponent will be thrown to the ground with a dose of great pain. Braggerts are fools. Never claim you are the superior one when it all comes down to dust unless you wish to dusted.
my boyfriends back and ya gonna be in trouble
The Angels – My Boyfriend’s Back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NuofNHKbVc
One of the greats. In West Virginia, though, Manchin is in his dukedom https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6Uht69h8Is
No mention of Manchin and his daughter’s drug company, which charges an arm and a leg for the life saving “Epipen.”
Even HuffPo had a post on the controversy.
This is one more example of the effects on the fortunes of long term Congress critters. I wonder if his constituents understand his role?
No one can be surprised by what the “fact checkers” say. I wish there was an honest, impartial one available. Until one crops up we have to read and listen to as many sources as possible, first hand if possible, not through someone’s filter.
And just a note, my husband is 75 and could beat the living crap out of a lot of people.