How about the double-accountant ticket? — 31 Comments
I’ll vote for a yellow dog if he or she runs as a Republican against Obama.
🙂
Daniels and Ryan have another thing in common: when the going got tough the Democrat legislators fled the state. Talk about Hope & Change.
The no-drama, rational approach would be refreshing, although I’m still not sure we don’t need Ryan more in the House for the next term to keep the Tea Party reps from being distracted from the big picture and to give them talking points for their constituencies.
I still want to see some indication of the candidates’ approaches to foreign affairs. I really like both men, but I want to see more on other issues before I decide. I also think that debating issues will be good experience for any candidate. Donald Rumsfeld was interviewed on Ricochet (also available at NRO) about what he looks for in a candidate. I agree with him that you learn an awful lot about a person by how they respond to the new issues bound to arrive during the campaign and also by how they handle their own inevitable mistakes.
So Ryan thinks only Daniels gets him. That’s ridiculous.
The pairing is devious and less than dignified. There’s a very real capitulation to other issues that encourages the snot nosed children to continue to rebel. As we have seen in Wisconsin, the path for solvency requires a hearty candidate who won’t back down and increases the offensive rather than going on the defensive. These two are already on the defensive.
I like Cain/Daniels: A firebrand CEO outsider backed by a successful budget-cutting governor. And both can hold a crowd. Daniels/Bachman would be good, too. I really want a successful governor on one or the other line of the ticket.
What I want most of all right now is for debates to start. They will make it harder for the MSM to keep these candidates out of the public’s view.
As I’ve mentioned before, I like Daniels. He has a good track record on fiscal issues and he has strong private sector credentials. He is calm and rational. He definitely thinks before he speaks. My wife is an Indy girl and knew him in high school. She says he is very intelligent and impressed her way back when because he was so polite and responsible as a teenager. That’s a good endorsement.
However, the 2012 election a watershed event. It is crucial to the fate of our society. Obama must be defeated. I think we need ‘fire in the belly’ coupled with intelligence and strong conservative, fiscal principles to accomplish that mission. Daniels lacks that ‘fire’. Others have it: Cain, Palin, West, and Christie.
I am not finding much regarding Daniels on anything. While preferable to Obama, if pushing to end obamacare, fiscal policies which are sane, even potentially ending the fed and minimally defunding many abortion and leftist government funded entities, are not long held beliefs and issues for him, I can’t see voting for this man. Though perhaps likeable, perhaps mature, possibly without a ton of baggage, his candidacy reminds me more of Bush the Last than Reagan. Honestly, I am holding out for a serious conservative.
As for Ryan, while I like his roadmap, I am not sure he has any real notion of actually fighting for it. It almost looks more like a publicity stunt, given the recent votes and probable capitulation regarding the debt ceiling. And, again, while I like Ryan, I do not have full faith in him and would rather see him stay where he is and actually work on the plan. As I see it, his plan (whether offered seriously or not) might paint him and others into the corner of actually having to fight for something they possibly offered as a snark.
Cynical? Distrustful? Insistent? Guilty.
The Donald phenom continues mainly because he is not a politician and it’s kind of fun to see the upper class scuttling about. We tea party people are extraordinarily sick of the elites whether they are Republican or Democrat. Another reason is the very nature of Christianity which is a religion of declaration. The past (if not too bad) may be forgiven or forgotten if the right things are being said.
But any pairing should include at least one commoner who asks “shall the people rule?”
I’ll take a double shot. Jack Daniels/Charlie Daniels.
“We tea party people are extraordinarily sick of the elites whether they are Republican or Democrat.”
A majority of voters must come to this same conclusion within the next 19 months. Otherwise, it will be every man for himself, government against all.
Curtis,
So has Trump repented of his support for Kelo vs. City of New London?
The Donald does not repent. In many ways he is a mirror image of Obama. Both are supremely narcissistic. Anyone who encourages Trump, IMO, does a disservice to us all.
Thanks for the heads up on Gary Johnson, gs.
Gary Earl Johnson (born January 1, 1953) is an American businessman and candidate for the Republican nominaton for President of the United States in the 2012 election.[1][2] He served as the 29th Governor of the U.S. state of New Mexico from 1995 to 2003, and is well-known for his low-tax libertarian views and his regular participation in triathlons.
Founder of one of New Mexico’s largest construction companies,[3] Johnson entered politics for the first time by running for Governor of New Mexico in 1994 on a conservative, low-tax, anti-crime platform.[4] He beat incumbent Democratic governor Bruce King by 50% to 40%. He cut the 10% annual growth in the budget by using his gubernatorial veto on half of bills in the first six months.[3]
He sought re-election in 1998, winning by 55% to 45%. In his second term, he concentrated on the issue of school voucher reforms,[5] as well as campaigning for marijuana decriminalization. During his tenure as governor, he adhered strictly to an anti-tax, anti-bureaucracy program, and set state and national records for his use of veto powers:[3] more than the other 49 contemporary governors put together.[6][7]
Term-limited, Johnson retired from politics at the end of his second term. He “is highly regarded in the state for his outstanding leadership during two terms as governor. He slashed the size of state government during his term and left the state with a large budget surplus.”[8]
How come I haven’t heard of this guy? Is he running?
GS, I thank you also for the heads up on Gary Johnson too.
And yes, Beverly…he’s running.
And yes, Parker…Trump would be AWFUL for the USA and the Republican party. He is your typical NYC, street smart, bulls**t artist.
…er strike the unnecessary “too” after “Gary Johnson”.
I hate staring at my misspelling and bad grammar on a widely read blog…I need to edit more before clicking “Submit Comment”.
Beverly & texexec, it’s my pleasure that you find Gary Johnson of interest. He will have my attention as he makes his case.
Johnson seems to be a pretty solid libertarian/neo-isolationist. Pro-weed and pro-Choice (I’m pretty sure I’m reading the code words properly on the latter point). Something of a crackpot, in other words, who could never win the Republican nominee and a perfect hook for all the stories to come about “who is highjacking the Republican party with all these social issues?” Bait for the Perotistas, who are not going to vote for Obama and need to be kept out of the Republican column at all costs.
Bizarre logo, with the big “U” and “ME” in Red. What were they thinking?
Daniels/Ryan could be an interesting ticket because they present such a small cross-section on the emotional radar. That would make the election a referendum on Obama, and there is a school of thought that says that is where he would be most vulnerable.
Oblio> That’s Gary Johnson’s advocacy committee’s website. His 2012 presidential campaign website is here: http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/
I like him, but he probably is a long shot.
All of the potential R candidates have flaws. Too much negative baggage, not right on the social issues, too bland, bad past performances (Romneycare), not tough enough on the jihadis, etc., etc.
I am hoping we will have a rousing primary that will allow the best of the field to rise to the top. That said, no matter who it is I’m voting for him/her. Too many conservatives stayed home in 2008. Had the same number of conservatives voted in 2008 as voted in 2004, McCain/Palin may have eaked out a win. Yeah many do not like McCain, but consider how much better off we would be with McCain in the WH and Palin as VP. Just think about it. In spite of McCain’s RINO tendencies don’t you think he might have done some things right? No Obamacare for one. No massive non-stimulus stimulus bill for another. Possibly a better approach to business and surely not as much spending on steroids as we have had. McCain may have some erratic positions but he has been a staunch fiscal conservative as long as he’s been around.
I beg all who want to see Obama gone in 2012 to support with your money, time, and vote whoever the R candidates may be. I don’t like Trump and don’t think he has any chance to win the nomination, but, by GOD, if it’s him against Obama, Trump willl get my support. We have to quit feuding among ourselves and quit looking for the “perfect” candidate. What is important is to defeat Obama and change the Senate to an R majority in 2012.
jon baker:
I did some research and of course that popped up very quickly. Not good. Makes me think of King Ahab and Naboth’s vineyard.
But The Donald is no clown. He is a shrewd manipulator whose morals change as his needs/opportunities change. Like J.J. above, I would vote The Donald and even more so not feel too bad about it. It’s kind of a devil’s bargain like that which brought Hitler into power. Hate is a great unifier. Robin of Berkeley surprised me with her thoughts and although she didn’t outright support him, she presents the arguments for doing so:
And part of my so-so support is due to the almost universal rising up in condemnation by the elite RINO crowd be they pundits or politicians.
Sarah Palin has not condemned Trump. On the contrary, she has made the statement that the media has focused on only the Birther part of Trump’s platform.
I prefer Palin, Bachman, and Bolton. I don’t prefer the RINO crowd even to the point of voting The Donald over them.
Gary Johnson looks great at first glance! I’m not a libertarian but sometimes they pose an excellent choice because maybe they can appeal to independents. (I actually heard a liberal attorney say something positive about him.)
But again, there’s dubious value to that linear model of electibility. What kind of “excitement” can Gary Johnson generate?
“I beg all who want to see Obama gone in 2012 to support with your money, time, and vote whoever the R candidates may be. I don’t like Trump and don’t think he has any chance to win the nomination, but, by GOD, if it’s him against Obama, Trump willl get my support. We have to quit feuding among ourselves and quit looking for the “perfect” candidate. What is important is to defeat Obama and change the Senate to an R majority in 2012.”
Exactly, J.J.,
That’s why I commented in another post here that I’d vote for a yellow dog if he or she is running as a Republican against Obama.
Curtis said:
“But again, there’s dubious value to that linear model of electibility. What kind of “excitement” can Gary Johnson generate?”
Gary Johnson kicked some serious ass against a Democrat in his first political race for Governor in New Mexico and then got reelected. All that in spite of the heavy libtard population in Santa Fe and Taos.
(Southeast NM is good ole’ Republican territory ’cause it’s an annex of West Texas 🙂 .)
Your ticket is upside down.
A birther is not a person who believes Obama was born in Kenya. A birther is one who believes Obama shows very poor manners by not producing the best evidence to a legitimate and reasonable question. So it’s not a strict requirement to prove your citizenship! Well, okay, but don’t expect my vote or support.
I’ll second what others have said here: if the GOP runs a ham sandwich with a string of rape convictions, I’m going to vote for that ham sandwich. It will do less harm to the country than the Donks.
My dream is to see the Dems go away, to be replaced by the “realist” wing of the GOP, split off into a new party. Constitutionalists vs. Realists, then.
thanks Curtis for your clarification.
Speaking of Kelo vs City of New London, check out this update on the latest development….
Gary Johnson is fine by me, I’m libertarian (not Libertarian) but he is a long shot at best. He won’t gain any traction in the Iowa caucuses or the NH primaries so he’s a non-starter. On the ticket as a VP I see him as a plus.
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I’ll vote for a yellow dog if he or she runs as a Republican against Obama.
🙂
Daniels and Ryan have another thing in common: when the going got tough the Democrat legislators fled the state. Talk about Hope & Change.
The no-drama, rational approach would be refreshing, although I’m still not sure we don’t need Ryan more in the House for the next term to keep the Tea Party reps from being distracted from the big picture and to give them talking points for their constituencies.
I still want to see some indication of the candidates’ approaches to foreign affairs. I really like both men, but I want to see more on other issues before I decide. I also think that debating issues will be good experience for any candidate. Donald Rumsfeld was interviewed on Ricochet (also available at NRO) about what he looks for in a candidate. I agree with him that you learn an awful lot about a person by how they respond to the new issues bound to arrive during the campaign and also by how they handle their own inevitable mistakes.
We could do worse than Daniels/Ryan.
And I like my first impression of Gary Johnson
oh boy!
So Ryan thinks only Daniels gets him. That’s ridiculous.
The pairing is devious and less than dignified. There’s a very real capitulation to other issues that encourages the snot nosed children to continue to rebel. As we have seen in Wisconsin, the path for solvency requires a hearty candidate who won’t back down and increases the offensive rather than going on the defensive. These two are already on the defensive.
I like Cain/Daniels: A firebrand CEO outsider backed by a successful budget-cutting governor. And both can hold a crowd. Daniels/Bachman would be good, too. I really want a successful governor on one or the other line of the ticket.
What I want most of all right now is for debates to start. They will make it harder for the MSM to keep these candidates out of the public’s view.
As I’ve mentioned before, I like Daniels. He has a good track record on fiscal issues and he has strong private sector credentials. He is calm and rational. He definitely thinks before he speaks. My wife is an Indy girl and knew him in high school. She says he is very intelligent and impressed her way back when because he was so polite and responsible as a teenager. That’s a good endorsement.
However, the 2012 election a watershed event. It is crucial to the fate of our society. Obama must be defeated. I think we need ‘fire in the belly’ coupled with intelligence and strong conservative, fiscal principles to accomplish that mission. Daniels lacks that ‘fire’. Others have it: Cain, Palin, West, and Christie.
I am not finding much regarding Daniels on anything. While preferable to Obama, if pushing to end obamacare, fiscal policies which are sane, even potentially ending the fed and minimally defunding many abortion and leftist government funded entities, are not long held beliefs and issues for him, I can’t see voting for this man. Though perhaps likeable, perhaps mature, possibly without a ton of baggage, his candidacy reminds me more of Bush the Last than Reagan. Honestly, I am holding out for a serious conservative.
As for Ryan, while I like his roadmap, I am not sure he has any real notion of actually fighting for it. It almost looks more like a publicity stunt, given the recent votes and probable capitulation regarding the debt ceiling. And, again, while I like Ryan, I do not have full faith in him and would rather see him stay where he is and actually work on the plan. As I see it, his plan (whether offered seriously or not) might paint him and others into the corner of actually having to fight for something they possibly offered as a snark.
Cynical? Distrustful? Insistent? Guilty.
The Donald phenom continues mainly because he is not a politician and it’s kind of fun to see the upper class scuttling about. We tea party people are extraordinarily sick of the elites whether they are Republican or Democrat. Another reason is the very nature of Christianity which is a religion of declaration. The past (if not too bad) may be forgiven or forgotten if the right things are being said.
But any pairing should include at least one commoner who asks “shall the people rule?”
I’ll take a double shot. Jack Daniels/Charlie Daniels.
“We tea party people are extraordinarily sick of the elites whether they are Republican or Democrat.”
A majority of voters must come to this same conclusion within the next 19 months. Otherwise, it will be every man for himself, government against all.
Curtis,
So has Trump repented of his support for Kelo vs. City of New London?
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/michelle-malkin/2011/04/22/donald-trumps-eminent-domain-empire
jon baker,
The Donald does not repent. In many ways he is a mirror image of Obama. Both are supremely narcissistic. Anyone who encourages Trump, IMO, does a disservice to us all.
Thanks for the heads up on Gary Johnson, gs.
Gary Earl Johnson (born January 1, 1953) is an American businessman and candidate for the Republican nominaton for President of the United States in the 2012 election.[1][2] He served as the 29th Governor of the U.S. state of New Mexico from 1995 to 2003, and is well-known for his low-tax libertarian views and his regular participation in triathlons.
Founder of one of New Mexico’s largest construction companies,[3] Johnson entered politics for the first time by running for Governor of New Mexico in 1994 on a conservative, low-tax, anti-crime platform.[4] He beat incumbent Democratic governor Bruce King by 50% to 40%. He cut the 10% annual growth in the budget by using his gubernatorial veto on half of bills in the first six months.[3]
He sought re-election in 1998, winning by 55% to 45%. In his second term, he concentrated on the issue of school voucher reforms,[5] as well as campaigning for marijuana decriminalization. During his tenure as governor, he adhered strictly to an anti-tax, anti-bureaucracy program, and set state and national records for his use of veto powers:[3] more than the other 49 contemporary governors put together.[6][7]
Term-limited, Johnson retired from politics at the end of his second term. He “is highly regarded in the state for his outstanding leadership during two terms as governor. He slashed the size of state government during his term and left the state with a large budget surplus.”[8]
How come I haven’t heard of this guy? Is he running?
GS, I thank you also for the heads up on Gary Johnson too.
And yes, Beverly…he’s running.
And yes, Parker…Trump would be AWFUL for the USA and the Republican party. He is your typical NYC, street smart, bulls**t artist.
…er strike the unnecessary “too” after “Gary Johnson”.
I hate staring at my misspelling and bad grammar on a widely read blog…I need to edit more before clicking “Submit Comment”.
I’ve liked Ryan ever since I saw him steamroll the president with budgets facts and figures at the Health Care Summit in Sept 2009.
Beverly & texexec, it’s my pleasure that you find Gary Johnson of interest. He will have my attention as he makes his case.
Johnson seems to be a pretty solid libertarian/neo-isolationist. Pro-weed and pro-Choice (I’m pretty sure I’m reading the code words properly on the latter point). Something of a crackpot, in other words, who could never win the Republican nominee and a perfect hook for all the stories to come about “who is highjacking the Republican party with all these social issues?” Bait for the Perotistas, who are not going to vote for Obama and need to be kept out of the Republican column at all costs.
See his website:
http://ouramericainitiative.com/
Bizarre logo, with the big “U” and “ME” in Red. What were they thinking?
Daniels/Ryan could be an interesting ticket because they present such a small cross-section on the emotional radar. That would make the election a referendum on Obama, and there is a school of thought that says that is where he would be most vulnerable.
Oblio> That’s Gary Johnson’s advocacy committee’s website. His 2012 presidential campaign website is here: http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/
I like him, but he probably is a long shot.
All of the potential R candidates have flaws. Too much negative baggage, not right on the social issues, too bland, bad past performances (Romneycare), not tough enough on the jihadis, etc., etc.
I am hoping we will have a rousing primary that will allow the best of the field to rise to the top. That said, no matter who it is I’m voting for him/her. Too many conservatives stayed home in 2008. Had the same number of conservatives voted in 2008 as voted in 2004, McCain/Palin may have eaked out a win. Yeah many do not like McCain, but consider how much better off we would be with McCain in the WH and Palin as VP. Just think about it. In spite of McCain’s RINO tendencies don’t you think he might have done some things right? No Obamacare for one. No massive non-stimulus stimulus bill for another. Possibly a better approach to business and surely not as much spending on steroids as we have had. McCain may have some erratic positions but he has been a staunch fiscal conservative as long as he’s been around.
I beg all who want to see Obama gone in 2012 to support with your money, time, and vote whoever the R candidates may be. I don’t like Trump and don’t think he has any chance to win the nomination, but, by GOD, if it’s him against Obama, Trump willl get my support. We have to quit feuding among ourselves and quit looking for the “perfect” candidate. What is important is to defeat Obama and change the Senate to an R majority in 2012.
jon baker:
I did some research and of course that popped up very quickly. Not good. Makes me think of King Ahab and Naboth’s vineyard.
But The Donald is no clown. He is a shrewd manipulator whose morals change as his needs/opportunities change. Like J.J. above, I would vote The Donald and even more so not feel too bad about it. It’s kind of a devil’s bargain like that which brought Hitler into power. Hate is a great unifier. Robin of Berkeley surprised me with her thoughts and although she didn’t outright support him, she presents the arguments for doing so:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/04/donald_trump_street_fighting_m_1.html
And part of my so-so support is due to the almost universal rising up in condemnation by the elite RINO crowd be they pundits or politicians.
Sarah Palin has not condemned Trump. On the contrary, she has made the statement that the media has focused on only the Birther part of Trump’s platform.
I prefer Palin, Bachman, and Bolton. I don’t prefer the RINO crowd even to the point of voting The Donald over them.
Gary Johnson looks great at first glance! I’m not a libertarian but sometimes they pose an excellent choice because maybe they can appeal to independents. (I actually heard a liberal attorney say something positive about him.)
But again, there’s dubious value to that linear model of electibility. What kind of “excitement” can Gary Johnson generate?
“I beg all who want to see Obama gone in 2012 to support with your money, time, and vote whoever the R candidates may be. I don’t like Trump and don’t think he has any chance to win the nomination, but, by GOD, if it’s him against Obama, Trump willl get my support. We have to quit feuding among ourselves and quit looking for the “perfect” candidate. What is important is to defeat Obama and change the Senate to an R majority in 2012.”
Exactly, J.J.,
That’s why I commented in another post here that I’d vote for a yellow dog if he or she is running as a Republican against Obama.
Curtis said:
“But again, there’s dubious value to that linear model of electibility. What kind of “excitement” can Gary Johnson generate?”
Gary Johnson kicked some serious ass against a Democrat in his first political race for Governor in New Mexico and then got reelected. All that in spite of the heavy libtard population in Santa Fe and Taos.
(Southeast NM is good ole’ Republican territory ’cause it’s an annex of West Texas 🙂 .)
Your ticket is upside down.
A birther is not a person who believes Obama was born in Kenya. A birther is one who believes Obama shows very poor manners by not producing the best evidence to a legitimate and reasonable question. So it’s not a strict requirement to prove your citizenship! Well, okay, but don’t expect my vote or support.
I’ll second what others have said here: if the GOP runs a ham sandwich with a string of rape convictions, I’m going to vote for that ham sandwich. It will do less harm to the country than the Donks.
My dream is to see the Dems go away, to be replaced by the “realist” wing of the GOP, split off into a new party. Constitutionalists vs. Realists, then.
thanks Curtis for your clarification.
Speaking of Kelo vs City of New London, check out this update on the latest development….
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2011/04/23/kelo-update-guess-what-new-developer-wants-go-forward
Gary Johnson is fine by me, I’m libertarian (not Libertarian) but he is a long shot at best. He won’t gain any traction in the Iowa caucuses or the NH primaries so he’s a non-starter. On the ticket as a VP I see him as a plus.