No slaves shall keep any arms whatever, nor pass, unless with written orders from his master or employer, or in his company, with arms from one place to another. [a bill concerning slaves]
Everything secret degenerates, even the administration of justice; nothing is safe that does not show how it can bear discussion and publicity. – lord acton
From a “pragmatic” point of view, political philosophy is a monster, and whenever it has been taken seriously, the consequence, almost invariably, has been revolution, war, and eventually, the police state. henry david aiken
All forms of tampering with human beings, getting at them, shaping them against their will to your own pattern, all thought control and conditioning is, therefore, a denial of that in men which makes them men and their values ultimate. isiah berlin
No matter how noble the original intentions, the seductions of power can turn any movement from one seeking equal rights to one that would deny them to others. tammy bruce
But, when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. the constitution of the united states of america
A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude. To make them love it is the task assigned, in present-day totalitarian states, to ministries of propaganda, newspaper editors and schoolteachers. aldous huxley… check out his brother and other associations some time..
I consider the foundation of the Constitution as laid on this ground: That ‘all powers not delegated to the United States, by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States or to the people’ (10th Amendment). To take a single step beyond the boundaries thus specifically drawn around the powers of Congress, is to take possession of a boundless field of power, no longer susceptible to any definition. jefferson
Freedom is independence of the compulsory will of another, and in so far as it tends to exist with the freedom of all according to a universal law, it is the one sole original inborn right belonging to every man in virtue of his humanity. Kant
1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. 2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. 5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly. 6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. 8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country. 10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.
ya know.. you can list out things in american law now that fit almost all of those… abolition of property – kelo / inheritance taxes / no confiscation of the rebels rights till after they finish their work for thier masters and are not needed / we just got centralization/nationalization of the banks by the state / state creating things like fannie mae, wackenhut, etc / equal oblication to work is beign held off to bribe the people who dont work (but dont worry.. historically speaking when it all changes, they get exterminated or worked to death… how dare they take money from the state and not work!!!! the free handouts are temporary) / town and country thing… i guess suburbs? not applicable i guess / dewey a commnist spy did our schools up so accomplished this goal so people like ayers can indoctrinate… took the teachers union in the 40s to vote agreement too. / and school to life programs, vocational education, etc..
yup… fulfilled most of the planks of karl marxs commujnist manifesto… is it any wonder we now hate the place we loved?
last post… keeping it short.. It turns out that self proclaimed Stalinists, are actually, Stalinists…
Here’s video of Larry Grathwol, who joined the Weather Underground as an undercover law enforcement agent:
I brought up the subject of what’s going to happen after we take over the government. We become responsible then for administrating 250 million people … and there was no answers. No one had given any thought to economics. How are you going to clothe and feed these people? The only thing that I could get was that they expected that the Cubans, and the North Vietnamese and the Chinese and the Russians would all want to occupy different portions of the United States. They also believed that their immediate responsibility would be to protect against what they called the counter-revolution. They felt that this counter-revolution could best be guarded against by creating and establishing re-education centers in the Southwest, where we would take all of the people who needed to be re-educated into the new way of thinking and teach them how things were going to be. I asked, well what is going to happen to those people that we can’t re-educate that are die-hard capitalists? The reply was that they would have to be eliminated. When I pursued this further they estimated that they would have to eliminate 25 million people in these re-education centers. When I say eliminate, I mean kill … 25 million people.
I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of which have graduate degrees from Columbia and other well-known educational centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people. And they were dead serious.
Appropos to Obama’s friends Ayers and Klonsky, both of whom are “educationalists,” Stalin also said:
Education is a weapon whose effects depend on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed.
You should just put those short quotes in the post. Lest you be thought to be a click tease.
WHY have the TEACHER’S ASSOCIATIONS not put out any information relating to Ayres and the Chicago Annenberg Challenge – this is a VERY CLEAR example of how Obama will allocate dollars in regards to education –
Most public school teachers I know don’t even like Charter Schools because they see them as a threat – and they REALLY hate private schools and the notion of vouchers – so WHY is there no expressed concern about this?
Or is there, and I just haven’t seen it?
here is an extreemly interesting read…
its about africa… but you could change the name and it sounds like places my family experienced… and even some of what we are just getting a tickle of in the US
when i was in indonesia, it was odd seeing the robbers at the side of the road collecting tolls. that electricity went out each night in some areas. that police were absent (but the capitalism was rampant and the peopl incredibly freindly and happy, like the US before the 60s)
read this… a TERRIFIC read since the CHANGE that happened is the same kind coming here, since the same kind of ideological view is theirs too.
A Simple Example Of Communal Decline
A Letter From South Africa by Jim Peron (September 1998)
Die, the Beloved Country http://www.ourcivilisation.com/die.htm
Tyranny and injustice will reign as delusion triumphs and the community dissolves into impotence. But this will never be generally recognized because the source of the disease is the waning of citizens’ comprehension. A decay made palpable by the disappearance of plain speaking.
Such a society is no longer engaged in creating a human heaven on earth, but is earnestly constructing the very opposite where:
i. The worst people get rewarded while the best get penalized.
ii. The education system can only spread delusion.
iii. The bureaucracy becomes a liability instead of an asset.
iv. The courts must promote injustice.
WHY have the TEACHER’S ASSOCIATIONS not put out any information
because the teachers union in the 40s voted that the purpose of a teacher was to indoctrinate. you can read the history in Gallo’s book which is online free…
the attack on the schools started 20 years before the 60s… which the children of that change, tuned in, turned on, dropped out… and through lukacks (of hungary) ideas of sex education to destroy culture, succeeded. (as you can see now, we need tv to teach us how to handle children, all the old information was lost).
this quote by John D Rockerfeller should let you in on the secret.
In our dreams, people yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding hands. The present education conventions of intellectual and character education fade from their minds, and, unhampered by tradition, we work our own good will upon a grateful and responsive folk. We shall not try to make these people, or any of their children, into philosophers, or men of science. We have not to raise up from them authors, educators, poets or men of letters. We shall not search for great artists, painters, musicians nor lawyers, doctors, preachers, politicians, statesmen — of whom we have an ample supply. The task is simple. We will organize children and teach them in a perfect way the things their fathers and mothers are doing in an imperfect way.
and i leave you all with a quote from pierre joseph proudhon.. (too bad i am edumacated… i talk to much since there is no one to talk to… sigh)
To be governed is to be watched, inspected, spied upon, directed, law-driven, numbered, regulated, enrolled, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, checked, estimated, valued, censured, commanded, by creatures who have neither the right nor the wisdom nor the virtue to do so. To be governed is to be at every operation, at every transaction noted, registered, counted, taxed, stamped, measured, numbered, assessed, licensed, authorized, admonished, prevented, forbidden, reformed, corrected, punished. It is, under pretext of public utility, and in the name of the general interest, to be placed under contribution, drilled, fleeced, exploited, monopolized, extorted from, squeezed, hoaxed, robbed; then, at the slightest resistance, the first word of complaint, to be repressed, fined, vilified, harassed, hunted down, abused, clubbed, disarmed, bound, choked, imprisoned, judged, condemned, shot, deported, sacrificed, sold, betrayed; and to crown all, mocked, ridiculed, derided, outraged, dishonoured. That is government; that is it’s justice; that is it’s morality.
There is a flood of information, misinformation, disinformation. This election cycle is truly “different”.
I have but one choice. To rely on what is in my heart, my soul, my mind.
I would not have chosen McCain. I would not have chosen anyone proposed by the republicans leading to McCain’s choice. I did not see, and do not see, a presidential candidate I can believe in at this time. Sarah Palin, however, is a horse of a different color. I await 2012. In the meantime, I will vote for McCain.
I have never voted for, and will never vote for a democrat.
It is my belief whoever wins this election will be a one term president. I can only hope that is true.
The economic meltdown has not even started yet. Believe that. As one who works in industry across the board, it’s coming, it’s going to be big.
The next four years after this election cycle will be at best, a throwaway in our nation’s time on this earth.
Considering the post above, concerning the Weather underground group, it is obvious they do not understand their own nation. The bit about re-education, the possibility of taking 25 million lives.
Come on, boys.
In a true Stalinist type of government, their small numbers (if at odds with the established governing leaders) would have been eliminated, and no one would have been the wiser. That tobacco should perhaps be put in Ayers’ pipe and smoked. The people of the U.S., in my opinion, simply do not think that way. In this loony nation, even people such as they are allowed to think as they will. Unfortunately, I cannot speak for my own government anymore, as I cannot for the life of me understand where they are coming from.
It is time to populate capitol hill with politicians who have never been inside those halls and chambers. It is time to populate the district with naive newbies who believe in the constitution and even the declaration of independence. It is time to have this country run by the people. By people with spouses, with children, with dreams. It is time to throw the bums out. It has been said many times. But it may never have mattered more.
To br549: Agreed. Stalin knew well not only some things about elections, but also about his country traditions and mentality and morals of its population. Stalinist government was possible only because many millions of Russian people were ready to murder and betray their neighbours.
Sergey, I can assure you that many millions of American people are ready and willing to take vengeance on their neighbors. Many millions of Americans live in a culture of resentment, believing that they are being artificially kept down by people of a certain race, gender, or sexual orientation.
Are they ready to murder the sexists, racists, and homophobes? Many of these resentful victimologists are more than ready, and are doing so as we write. Others might be content to see their “oppressors” shipped off to re-education, stripped of their jobs, homes and property, and humiliated at the pleasure of their “victims.”
Postmodern multiculturalists have been raising a bumper crop of resentment among certain large groups of people, and raising that resentment to a boil without providing an outlet. Either the pressure cooker explodes or it finds an outlet within a particular political regime. We’ll see.
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No slaves shall keep any arms whatever, nor pass, unless with written orders from his master or employer, or in his company, with arms from one place to another. [a bill concerning slaves]
Everything secret degenerates, even the administration of justice; nothing is safe that does not show how it can bear discussion and publicity. – lord acton
From a “pragmatic” point of view, political philosophy is a monster, and whenever it has been taken seriously, the consequence, almost invariably, has been revolution, war, and eventually, the police state. henry david aiken
All forms of tampering with human beings, getting at them, shaping them against their will to your own pattern, all thought control and conditioning is, therefore, a denial of that in men which makes them men and their values ultimate. isiah berlin
No matter how noble the original intentions, the seductions of power can turn any movement from one seeking equal rights to one that would deny them to others. tammy bruce
But, when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. the constitution of the united states of america
A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude. To make them love it is the task assigned, in present-day totalitarian states, to ministries of propaganda, newspaper editors and schoolteachers.
aldous huxley… check out his brother and other associations some time..
I consider the foundation of the Constitution as laid on this ground: That ‘all powers not delegated to the United States, by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States or to the people’ (10th Amendment). To take a single step beyond the boundaries thus specifically drawn around the powers of Congress, is to take possession of a boundless field of power, no longer susceptible to any definition. jefferson
Freedom is independence of the compulsory will of another, and in so far as it tends to exist with the freedom of all according to a universal law, it is the one sole original inborn right belonging to every man in virtue of his humanity. Kant
1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.
ya know.. you can list out things in american law now that fit almost all of those… abolition of property – kelo / inheritance taxes / no confiscation of the rebels rights till after they finish their work for thier masters and are not needed / we just got centralization/nationalization of the banks by the state / state creating things like fannie mae, wackenhut, etc / equal oblication to work is beign held off to bribe the people who dont work (but dont worry.. historically speaking when it all changes, they get exterminated or worked to death… how dare they take money from the state and not work!!!! the free handouts are temporary) / town and country thing… i guess suburbs? not applicable i guess / dewey a commnist spy did our schools up so accomplished this goal so people like ayers can indoctrinate… took the teachers union in the 40s to vote agreement too. / and school to life programs, vocational education, etc..
yup… fulfilled most of the planks of karl marxs commujnist manifesto… is it any wonder we now hate the place we loved?
last post… keeping it short..
It turns out that self proclaimed Stalinists, are actually, Stalinists…
Here’s video of Larry Grathwol, who joined the Weather Underground as an undercover law enforcement agent:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJn5b8_weUY
I brought up the subject of what’s going to happen after we take over the government. We become responsible then for administrating 250 million people … and there was no answers. No one had given any thought to economics. How are you going to clothe and feed these people? The only thing that I could get was that they expected that the Cubans, and the North Vietnamese and the Chinese and the Russians would all want to occupy different portions of the United States. They also believed that their immediate responsibility would be to protect against what they called the counter-revolution. They felt that this counter-revolution could best be guarded against by creating and establishing re-education centers in the Southwest, where we would take all of the people who needed to be re-educated into the new way of thinking and teach them how things were going to be. I asked, well what is going to happen to those people that we can’t re-educate that are die-hard capitalists? The reply was that they would have to be eliminated. When I pursued this further they estimated that they would have to eliminate 25 million people in these re-education centers. When I say eliminate, I mean kill … 25 million people.
I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of which have graduate degrees from Columbia and other well-known educational centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people. And they were dead serious.
Appropos to Obama’s friends Ayers and Klonsky, both of whom are “educationalists,” Stalin also said:
Education is a weapon whose effects depend on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed.
CNN Truth Squad on Keating Economics :: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF1m5-XHvLU&feature=rec-fresh
You should just put those short quotes in the post. Lest you be thought to be a click tease.
WHY have the TEACHER’S ASSOCIATIONS not put out any information relating to Ayres and the Chicago Annenberg Challenge – this is a VERY CLEAR example of how Obama will allocate dollars in regards to education –
Most public school teachers I know don’t even like Charter Schools because they see them as a threat – and they REALLY hate private schools and the notion of vouchers – so WHY is there no expressed concern about this?
Or is there, and I just haven’t seen it?
here is an extreemly interesting read…
its about africa… but you could change the name and it sounds like places my family experienced… and even some of what we are just getting a tickle of in the US
when i was in indonesia, it was odd seeing the robbers at the side of the road collecting tolls. that electricity went out each night in some areas. that police were absent (but the capitalism was rampant and the peopl incredibly freindly and happy, like the US before the 60s)
read this… a TERRIFIC read since the CHANGE that happened is the same kind coming here, since the same kind of ideological view is theirs too.
A Simple Example Of Communal Decline
A Letter From South Africa by Jim Peron (September 1998)
Die, the Beloved Country
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/die.htm
Tyranny and injustice will reign as delusion triumphs and the community dissolves into impotence. But this will never be generally recognized because the source of the disease is the waning of citizens’ comprehension. A decay made palpable by the disappearance of plain speaking.
Such a society is no longer engaged in creating a human heaven on earth, but is earnestly constructing the very opposite where:
i. The worst people get rewarded while the best get penalized.
ii. The education system can only spread delusion.
iii. The bureaucracy becomes a liability instead of an asset.
iv. The courts must promote injustice.
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/whycare.htm
WHY have the TEACHER’S ASSOCIATIONS not put out any information
because the teachers union in the 40s voted that the purpose of a teacher was to indoctrinate. you can read the history in Gallo’s book which is online free…
the attack on the schools started 20 years before the 60s… which the children of that change, tuned in, turned on, dropped out… and through lukacks (of hungary) ideas of sex education to destroy culture, succeeded. (as you can see now, we need tv to teach us how to handle children, all the old information was lost).
this quote by John D Rockerfeller should let you in on the secret.
In our dreams, people yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding hands. The present education conventions of intellectual and character education fade from their minds, and, unhampered by tradition, we work our own good will upon a grateful and responsive folk. We shall not try to make these people, or any of their children, into philosophers, or men of science. We have not to raise up from them authors, educators, poets or men of letters. We shall not search for great artists, painters, musicians nor lawyers, doctors, preachers, politicians, statesmen — of whom we have an ample supply. The task is simple. We will organize children and teach them in a perfect way the things their fathers and mothers are doing in an imperfect way.
and i leave you all with a quote from pierre joseph proudhon.. (too bad i am edumacated… i talk to much since there is no one to talk to… sigh)
To be governed is to be watched, inspected, spied upon, directed, law-driven, numbered, regulated, enrolled, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, checked, estimated, valued, censured, commanded, by creatures who have neither the right nor the wisdom nor the virtue to do so. To be governed is to be at every operation, at every transaction noted, registered, counted, taxed, stamped, measured, numbered, assessed, licensed, authorized, admonished, prevented, forbidden, reformed, corrected, punished. It is, under pretext of public utility, and in the name of the general interest, to be placed under contribution, drilled, fleeced, exploited, monopolized, extorted from, squeezed, hoaxed, robbed; then, at the slightest resistance, the first word of complaint, to be repressed, fined, vilified, harassed, hunted down, abused, clubbed, disarmed, bound, choked, imprisoned, judged, condemned, shot, deported, sacrificed, sold, betrayed; and to crown all, mocked, ridiculed, derided, outraged, dishonoured. That is government; that is it’s justice; that is it’s morality.
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Much is being said, everywhere.
There is a flood of information, misinformation, disinformation. This election cycle is truly “different”.
I have but one choice. To rely on what is in my heart, my soul, my mind.
I would not have chosen McCain. I would not have chosen anyone proposed by the republicans leading to McCain’s choice. I did not see, and do not see, a presidential candidate I can believe in at this time. Sarah Palin, however, is a horse of a different color. I await 2012. In the meantime, I will vote for McCain.
I have never voted for, and will never vote for a democrat.
It is my belief whoever wins this election will be a one term president. I can only hope that is true.
The economic meltdown has not even started yet. Believe that. As one who works in industry across the board, it’s coming, it’s going to be big.
The next four years after this election cycle will be at best, a throwaway in our nation’s time on this earth.
Considering the post above, concerning the Weather underground group, it is obvious they do not understand their own nation. The bit about re-education, the possibility of taking 25 million lives.
Come on, boys.
In a true Stalinist type of government, their small numbers (if at odds with the established governing leaders) would have been eliminated, and no one would have been the wiser. That tobacco should perhaps be put in Ayers’ pipe and smoked. The people of the U.S., in my opinion, simply do not think that way. In this loony nation, even people such as they are allowed to think as they will. Unfortunately, I cannot speak for my own government anymore, as I cannot for the life of me understand where they are coming from.
It is time to populate capitol hill with politicians who have never been inside those halls and chambers. It is time to populate the district with naive newbies who believe in the constitution and even the declaration of independence. It is time to have this country run by the people. By people with spouses, with children, with dreams. It is time to throw the bums out. It has been said many times. But it may never have mattered more.
To br549: Agreed. Stalin knew well not only some things about elections, but also about his country traditions and mentality and morals of its population. Stalinist government was possible only because many millions of Russian people were ready to murder and betray their neighbours.
Sergey, I can assure you that many millions of American people are ready and willing to take vengeance on their neighbors. Many millions of Americans live in a culture of resentment, believing that they are being artificially kept down by people of a certain race, gender, or sexual orientation.
Are they ready to murder the sexists, racists, and homophobes? Many of these resentful victimologists are more than ready, and are doing so as we write. Others might be content to see their “oppressors” shipped off to re-education, stripped of their jobs, homes and property, and humiliated at the pleasure of their “victims.”
Postmodern multiculturalists have been raising a bumper crop of resentment among certain large groups of people, and raising that resentment to a boil without providing an outlet. Either the pressure cooker explodes or it finds an outlet within a particular political regime. We’ll see.