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Kidnapping, coercion, and mind control: Jill Carroll, and the strange case of Patty Hearst (Part II) — 22 Comments

  1.         What did the SLA want?  To kill people and destroy the society of the U.S.  You can find their manifesto here. What it comes down to is overthrowing society, and the harmonious utopia of perfect agreement would flourish. In short, the political philosophy of “the Enlightenment,” which also expected utopia of unanimous agreement, and which has also led to totalitarian dictatorship and mass murder every time someone attempted to implement it.

            That’s the SLA’s manifesto. To answer the question of what they wanted, it

            As for Hearst’s conviction, I suggest you read a copy of Shana Alexander’s Anyone’s Daughter, if you can find it. For whatever reason, Patty Hearst didn’t really come clean when she was on the stand. Her defense centered around the idea she cooperated out of fear of the SLA, rather than that she had been brainwashed. The jury didn’t buy that story.

  2. I believe Patty Hearst in part because of my own experiences. When I was 11 I was forcibly abducted by a stranger (he had a knife and gun) and molested for several hours. At first he thought I was a girl (I had long hair then), but when he found out differently he didn’t seem to mind much – though it did change what would have surely been full-blown rape to second-degree molestation.

    Anyway, pertinent to this post: I quickly went into a shocky, auto-pilot mode where I cooperated readily and even told him I enjoyed it (nothing could have been further from the truth!). When he was done he let me go with a threat and coerced promise not tell anyone, ever.

    Seeing how readily I cooperated after such a short time, I can only imagine in horror that victims of prolonged, severe torture and abuse would do. I cannot fault anyone who cooperates with brutal captors. Very few of us are “tough” enough to resist such to the point of death.

    Especially galling was my friends’ macho insistence that they would have done all sorts of heroic things to disable or escape from him.

    Ironically, I never did tell my parents or anyone in authority – a source of “what-if” and “what-else-did-he-do” guilt to this day.

  3. I really enjoyed these posts. I read Patty Hearst’s book a few years ago and it had a huge impression on me. I read it after seeing the Larry King interview you reference here. I just happened to see it and I was very impressed with the way Ms. Hearst (Mrs. Shaw) conducted herself. When she made that point that Lindh reminded her of her kidnappers, it triggered my interest in revisiting the whole story.

    I was a freshman in college when the kidnapping happened, so I was roughly the same age as Hearst and came of age at a time when the ideas of the SLA were in vogue, shall we say. To sb’s point, what did they want? They didn’t want anything in particular–it is clear when you read Hearst’s book that they didn’t even have much of a plan for her kidnapping. One of the reasons the whole ordeal went on for so long was that their original demands were met and then they couldn’t figure out what to do. They were a bunch of losers who never really expected to pull off the kidnapping and then they got saddled with a situation that was bigger than they were. They escalated it because that’s all they could think of. To your question of what they wanted in general, I would say that at heart they probably just wanted attention. They had a lot of lofty sounding goals; well, there was a lot of that going around in the 70s. People were extremely naive. We thought we were part of something we called The Counterculture, and we really believed in it. Looking back it is easy to see that it was simply the same old teenage angst that every generation feels, expressed in the same ways it always is: hostility with a big dose of narcissism. A lot of the foolishness we see today in places like Hollywood and the mainstream media can be directly traced to the values of the so-called counterculture. Something happened to enable those attitudes to become important in our culture. That part I can’t say I understand.

    When I saw the King interview with this reasonable lady, I realized that I had bought the prevailing idea of her guilt during the kidnapping and the trial. I believed the worst, without any evidence except what was on the news. I read her book to find out what I might have been missing.

    While the case and related cultural issues were interesting, the mind-blowing thing for me personally was realizing that in a sense I was brainwashed too, voluntarily brainwashed by my disinterest in questioning the “memes” as we would now call them of the corner of the culture I grew up in. It was hugely eye-opening to realize how little I had questioned, how little I had known, how little I had paid attention to even the concept of evidence. Apparently I just believed what the tv told me. (Remind you of anything today?)

    Since then I have been paying a lot of attention to what I absorbed in the past and what I absorb now. It was a great lesson for me, and I am glad to see you writing on this topic. It’s an extremely good time for all us to learn as much as we can about the process of learning to see things as they are.

    (And steve, it is not at all true that “nothing happened to her.” She spent a couple of years in prison. For a crime she was essentially forced to commit. Yet her kidnappers were released for informing on her. Sickening. You might want to read the book–it is really an interesting story.)

  4. Fascinating subject. But once one has “split” themselves in self defence, how do they re-integrate themselves if they can’t reach and/or remember that core personality?

    Self-hypnosis and visual reactivation. Find something, an image or a word describing something that you cherish above your own life, above pain and death. Then use that as a key in your mind, when you lock away your identity. If your mind just shuts down cause it has taken too much damage, then no, you don’t get to choose the unlocking key. It works like this. Only for that person, thing, image, value would you bring yourself out of hiding, to face what is out in the dark of void. Nothing else can bring you back, nothing else would be worth risking what you were trying to hide from. Elizabeth Smart looks at her father with something akin to adoration. Most teenagers don’t have that look, that intense look of love and concentration. But I saw it, when she was interviewed by Hannity. Attach your hope to someone you love, and then hide the key. From yourself. This ain’t no party trick, however. It takes more than will power, it takes intense psychological pain and desperation. In most normal cases, your brain doesn’t shut off cause something bad happens. But we can be most assured that patty hearst’s and Smart’s cases aren’t normal.

    Like the people who said “I only regret that I have but one life to lose for my country”

    The Japanese actually said that, those exact words in fact ; )

  5. Excellent conclusion to the first part of your brainwashing post. It reminded me of something I read in Jon Krakauer’s “Under the Banner of Heaven.” The book is ostensibly about a brutal murder in 1984, when two fundamentalist Mormons (which basically revolves around polygamy) killed their sister-in-law and her daughter. Krakauer, however, uses the book to look at the history of Mormonism, at the rise of fundamentalists devoted to polygamy, and, in that last context, at Elizabeth Smart’s kidnapping. Her story, albeit with the crime wave, is remarkably similar to Hearst’s. She was kidnapped and sexually abused, all the while being preached to about the fact that her kidnapper was himself a prophet and her former life and evil example of Mormonism gone wrong. She’d been raised in any event to believe in prophets through her faith. As a result, she too failed to make any effort to escape and, when she was finally found, she vigorously refuted her former identity. Because of her age, and because she was not kidnapped as part of what appeared to be a world wide revolutionary upheaval amongst the young (1974 was a trying year), people could easily recognize what happened to her — a recognition denied Patty Hearst.

  6. “Law & Order” did a show dealing with this kind of them awhile back. The episode was called “Hot Pursuit” and originally aired in 1995. Here’s the episode summary from Dan Buchan’s “Law & Order” page.

    “When the detectives solve a series of murders committed by a holdup team in ski masks, the questions arises about whether or not a young woman implicated in the deaths, and reported kidnapped, was a willing participant.”

    I don’t know if the episode was based on the Patty Hearst case specifically or maybe a case closer to home in time and place. (Or maybe both.)

  7. This case is currently troubling Columbia. Colombian politician has love child with her guerrilla captor
    “Clara Rojas, who was running for vice-president to the French Colombian presidential candidate Ingrid Betancourt when they were seized by left-wing Farc rebels four years ago, reportedly gave birth to a boy, now two years old, after a consensual relationship with a Farc guerrilla.”

    Am I the only who grew up with stories of Quanta Parker’s mother? A Texas Ranger was only able to recognize her as a captive by the color of her eyes. Some of the women and children who were abducted in Indian raids assumed the identity of the captors. (With children it was understandable but it occured with young women.)

  8. Those who fight back (flight 93, Quatrocchi) have reached the point of realizing that it’s life or death- there’s no more room to hope for a reprieve.
    What we need to do to stop the kidnapping trade and propaganda machine is not broadcast ANYTHING to do with them. The media are essential to the effectiveness of, and thus complicit in, the commision of the crime. No publicity, no reason to kidnap, except perhaps money, but that’s always risky to the kidnapper. It’s not the kidnap victim that is the problem, it’s the media.

  9. It’s true, most people do react, in a hostage situation, by identifying with their jailer. We’re social animals, like dogs, willing to submit to the authority of the terrorist/alphas, even if their authority is entirely illegitimate. We’ll probably be suceptible until we can come to the point when we can realize that the authority of hostage-takers and terrorists is never legitimate.

    We don’t have to look at people like Jill Caroll or Patty Hearst for evidence of Stockholm syndrome, we can just look around us. Terrorism and terrorist-led governments have been holding our society hostage for years. When the Ayatollah-led extremists in Iran took the Americans hostage back in 1979 that was an act of war. Our government showed a nearly pathological lack of respect for our citizens and our values by refusing to effectively confront these attackers.

    The International community displayed its Stockholm syndrome when it cheered for Arafat’s words “I have come bearing an olive branch and a freedom fighter’s gun. Do not let the olive branch fall from my hand.” The hostages were so busy trying to keep the olive branch from falling, they didn’t question this monster’s right to hold the gun – or his right to be legitimized and honored.

    When we accept terrorists’ right to live, to rule nations and to theaten us at will, when we make deals with them and legitimize them, then we’re all Patty Hearst. In fact, we’re even worse. She couldn’t reasonably expect to overpower the captors who threatened her lift. We could do it easily, but we choose not to for whatever reasons.

    Stockholm syndrome is a normal human response, but it’s a bug, not a feature. Like racism, it’s a normal human response that has outlived its usefulness. Like racism, it’s a fear response that probably helped preserve primitive societies. Now, this formerly useful response convinces us to acquiesce to and accomodate terrorist states, to seek to reform them rather than to dismantle them. We know we would win the fight and we ignore the fact that reform and appeasement have never won wars.

    Instead of just understanding our Stockholm bug, we need to know how to fix it. We need to learn more about the hostages who broke the rules – like Fabrizio Quattrocchi or the heroes of Flight 93.

    Or it might be interesting to study groups that successfully fought back against illigitimate oppression, where love of liberty and independence trumped the need to survive. Like the people who said “I only regret that I have but one life to lose for my country” Our country used to be famous for breaking the Stockholm syndrome rules.

  10. In 1967, when George Romney was running for the Republican presidential nomination, he asserted that he had been “brainwashed” by American generals into supporting the Vietnam War. The public found this laughingly ridiculous — which it was — and he was forced to drop out of the race. After that, “I was brainwashed” became the punchline of many comedians’ jokes.

    I think it was partly because of this that many people, including me, unthinkingly (and incorrectly) rejected Patty Hearst’s claim that she had been brainwashed.

  11. Absolutely fascinating. I am one of those not old enough to remember this case…I wasn’t even born yet! LOL It really is fascinating!

    Neo…When oh WHEN are you going to write a book? You could be the next ann rule (she’s the one who does the true crime books right?). 🙂

  12. See note below on John Walker Lindh, the American Taliban, mentioned in neo’s post. The article is damning. Lindh cannot be rationalized as a misled kid comparable to Patty Hearst.

    I got curious about this. The article is preposterously badly written, it is as if the author wants to assure us his gonads are the size of grapefruit.

    In fairness I would direct the curious here and here.

    Overall, one screwed up teenager from a screwed up family, and the situation is not totally clear. I sense there might have been a little hysteria here, not surprising, considering the time and place he was captured.

  13. Fascinating subject. But once one has “split” themselves in self defence, how do they re-integrate themselves if they can’t reach and/or remember that core personality?

  14. SB:

    The SLA considered themselves leaders of “the Black Revolution,” although the only black person in the little band of thugs was the leader.

    Interestingly, the seven-headed hydra they used as their mascot stood for seven “principles,” which were later adopted intact by Ron Karenga when he cooked up Kwaanza.

  15. It’s quite possible to do it to yourself. People who live under communism understand quite well how to compartamentalize their minds. Instead of compartamentalizing the party line, you compartamentalize your basic identity, the core things that make you who you are.

    Interesting comment. I was quite interested in the psychology of cults and cult members a few years ago, and did some reading on it. Steven Hassan, a man who was “deprogrammed” out of the Moonies, talks about this phenomenon of compartmentalizing and “splitting” at some length, emphasizing that the first step to getting someone out of a cult is to reactivate the core personality under that imposed by the cult leaders. For him, it was the sight of his father’s tears that accomplished this.

  16. Thanks so much for this two-parter, Neo. It was brilliant. Also, I want to say I especially appreciated the short time between publication of the first and second parts!

  17. So had she tried to turn herself in at any later time, she was convinced that her innocence would not have been believed, but that she would have been convicted of the crime.

    That’s a partisan trick. It’s a very good method to recruiting guerrila warfare operators. It is one of the reasons the Coalition’s effort to separate and amnesty the softcore from the hardcore, was so effective. If you killed an America, you’re out in the cold, but if you’re just compromised a little bit, come back.

    I know for me, I thought that I was kind of fooling them for awhile, and the point when I knew that I was completely gone, I’m quite convinced

    That doesn’t work without partitioning your mind. Meaning, either through meditation or self-hypnosis, hide away your integral identity deep within your mind. Cooperate with your consciousness, but keep your REAL identity buried deep where they can’t get to it. Basically, get schizophrenic. Have two personalities. It’s quite possible to do it to yourself. People who live under communism understand quite well how to compartamentalize their minds. Instead of compartamentalizing the party line, you compartamentalize your basic identity, the core things that make you who you are. It could be anything from a high school crush, an optimism, or a belief in a value.

    She was getting into the habit of obeying her captors, it seemed. Her personality was becoming used to obeying commands. Either she had to punish herself for obeying commands, in a way that her captors didn’t notice, or she had to split her personality. But she didn’t know, she didn’t know that eventually habit will make it so much easier for her to obey than to resist, to the point where she will obey unthinkingly. The military trains troops to do the same thing, obey unthinkingly in a time of danger, for the good of the company.

    The Pavlovian Response to Stimuli seems to be quite complicated in humans, but still it works the same.

    a lot of it stemmed from feeling so horrible that my mind could be controlled by anybody, that I was so fragile that this could happen to me.

    One of the disadvantages of not having military family members. The college friends didn’t help either, I surmise.

    Presidential pardons never sound right, because Presidential pardon is a Constitutionally effected balance of power that is designed to overrule the Legislation and the Judiciary if the Executive believes that justice is not being committed. In a way, it is overturning the rule of law and th rule of judges.

    Because it is an execute right, many people see it as aristocracy. Although when the pardon is not being used, the rule of judges come into full force.

  18. I have mixed emotions about Patty Hearst. On the one hand, she was clearly “brainwashed”. On the other hand, I don’t accept the argument that her kidnapping and brainwashing makes her not responsible for _any_ of her subsequent actions. I think that kind of reasoning goes to a point, but not to an unlimited point.

    I was reminded of this because, as you may recall, several surviving SLA members were arrested and re-arrested a few years ago, and linked to the fatal shooting of woman in a bank in Carmichael (suburb of Sacramento) in 1975.

    Every single one of these individuals — some who had been on the lam for decades — were sentenced to lengthy prison terms for their part in the robbery/shooting, even though only one person pulled the trigger, and that person admitted it was a mistake. Fine.

    But Patty Hearst was in on that robbery/shooting as well. And nothing happened to her, how could it, she had been pardoned by Clinton. Also, after the shooting the family of the woman murdered received a large amount of money from the Hearst family.

    The whole scene just doesn’t sound quite right to me.

  19. Does anybody remember what the SLA actually wanted? Not from taking Patty hostage, but in general?

  20. Another quirk during the trial: If I remember correctly, Patty stayed at the family estate (not in “Hearst Castle” or any of the guest housesthere , but different quarters near by) at times during her trial. The SLA attempted to bomb one of the guest houses while she was there.

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