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  1. I have no problem with applying the full rigor of the law to Manning.

    Unless Assange took custody of the stolen data on US soil, the issue of national sovereignty makes me uneasy about prosecuting him, even if Australia consents. Such a prosecution might establish a precedent that we would regret in the future.

    I lean toward handling Assange with the shadowy methods designed for terrorists, spies and other enemy agents.

  2. Read about what is behind all the noise and the arguments for consumption, and all that…

    While arguing X over Y, we accept what premises that are unstated before that?

    Meanwhile, i would take a peek into his process of releasing information, who puts it up, where it goes up first, and who really loves him saying he should get a noble prize.

    After all that THEN figure out whether you want to get about a moral argument over what is done, what is different, etc… after all, if there are no morals, your arguing is a pointless waste of time and life energy… as they become arbitrary and only power decides which are to exist.

    If there are common morals, then whats there to decide given the details and the rules before he acted?

    How much have we normalized?

    First decide if the whole argument is valid

    and as to the arguments, the back and forth, the confusion, the manipulation… i offer this..

    For an interesting read look up “Innocents Clubs”

    Its a bit of history most of us have never known, let alone forgotten..

    http://www.heretical.com/miscella/munzen.html

    For the really ambitious in reading history, you can trace the above person, from the youth organization he founded to Kurt Stand, to Abercrombie and beyond.

    The threads lead back to the same things over and over…

    Blows ones minds to read about process back then and then see it work again because the key ingredient has been created in abundance: willful ignorance

    [even funnier the urban dictionary claims that the left are not willfully ignorant, even though they are called useful idiots, and innocents clubs by the people who ‘inform’ them]

    a quote..
    The old tricks certainly are the best!

  3. Thanks for the link, artfldgr. These propaganda techniques are the same as those in “Rules For Radicals” by Saul Alinsky. Alinsky may have gotten his ideas from that gent or others who learned at his knee.

    Now that the Republicans control the House, we can expect the usual arguments for helping the downtrodden, the lame, the halt, the children, etc. etc. to counter any moves to slow spending or downsize government.

  4. Don’t the French have a 100 year secrecy law? They also take care of terrorists very quickly. Je n’est sais pas.

  5. Actually you don’t have to prove Assuange had hostile intent, only that he knew or should have known that the information could be harmful to the U.S. or could have given advantage to another state.

    18 USC 793(e):
    (e) Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model,
    instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the
    same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or

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