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  1. Until we take away the incentive, i.e. paradise & its 72 virgins and, hold Islam itself accountable for its terrorism, nothing will change.

  2. 1. What makes Israel’s approach difficult to scale up is its dependence on face-to-face interactions – you are repeatedly asked relatively straightforward questions (such as “Did you pack your luggage yourself?” and “were you given anything to take as a gift?”) by several different, very well trained people. In addition, you are being observed by undercover people.

    No technology yet developed can match human intuition and ability to pick up cues from other humans – the result of millennia of evolution, honed with training.

    Obviously this is difficult to scale up. But maybe it would give all those bien-pensant “humanities” majors some real jobs – combined with a much needed wake-up call. At the very least it would encourage them to focus outside themselves for 8 hours a day…

    2. Profiling most definitely happens in the USA – covered with an absurd veneer of political correctness. Anyone who has flown to Israel – even for a one-off tour – will find themselves “randomly selected” for security screening for the next few years…
    My brother in law flies back to the States annually to interview college students for 1-year programs in Israel, and he always goes to the counter and asks if they can get the “random” screening over with so he can head to the frequent-flyer lounge – to be answered with a wide-eyed American stare and insistence that it’s “completely random, sir”….

    “yes I know but I’m pretty certain I’m going to be *randomly* picked..”

    “oh no sir it’s *completely* random..”

  3. “What struck me right away was that, in all the photos, most men were wearing short sleeved shirts…except the suicide bomber who was wearing a black, long-sleeved, zipped-up puffy jacket.

    Istanbul had a high of 84 and low of 72 yesterday. Anybody walking around dressed the way the suicide bomber was should have been pulled aside by security and asked to unzip his jacket.”

    Anybody trained in store or mall security, on the look out for shop lifters, loss prevention, would have picked up on this.

    Our airports are in the best of hands.

  4. Geoffrey Britain said:

    “Until we take away the incentive, i.e. paradise & its 72 virgins and, hold Islam itself accountable for its terrorism, nothing will change.”

    Unfortunately we can’t take that incentive away. But we can make the process extremely painful.

  5. Steve 57:

    Yes, but if you read my post you’d see that’s not the point. The question is when would he be noticed, how would he be stopped, and when would he detonate his vest? He was actually noticed by Istanbul security at some point before entering the airport; the exact circumstances are somewhat sketchy—but it’s possible they felt he was suspicious. With a suicide vest, though, it could be detonated at any point.

    He got out of a cab at the cabstand and exploded himself in that same area, apparently. So, when should he have been noticed earlier? When could he have been noticed? What could have been done differently?

    A mall is quite different—there’s ordinarily no crowd at the entrance, unlike an airport.

  6. At the 1:04 point in this BBC video of CCTV coverage inside the terminal, you can see some passengers running away from a blast or gunfire. Two them are wearing zipped-up jackets, not puffy ones though.

  7. The PRIMARY threat is the world wide jihad that’s fulsomely under way.

    So the FIRST step towards security is to simply stop Muslim immigration.

    Global citizens don’t have a birthright to enter America — let alone become residents or citizens.

    It really is that simple.

    Sixty-years ago such travails were unknown.

    Lest we forget, the first wave of immigrant Muslims were hugely skewed by those FLEEING Islam.

    Only their paperwork labelled them Muslim.

    The source of the jihad is the MOSQUE.

    Since EVERY mosque in America is STATE SPONSORED — the vast bulk by the King of Saudi Arabia — every cleric is on his payroll — these institutions are gross violations of the First Amendment to the US Constitution.

    For not only is the US government prohibited from sponsoring a religion — so too must all alien state powers.

    Mosques – unlike churches or temples — are NOT self-funding.

    They are ‘stood up’ by ALIEN finance. The passing of the hat you see is a subterfuge to fool the kafir. Any and all hat-collected funds are diverted towards jihad.

    { As in Hamas, et. al. }

  8. What we are doing to defend ourselves from Islamic terror attacks is a bit reminiscent of the Great Wall of China. The wall required a huge expenditure of money and manpower, but it was, in fact, cosmetic. There were gates in the wall and there were traitors among the keepers of the gates. The Great Wall, well built as it was, wasn’t really all that great.

    Against such an enemy as the jihadi terrorists, who depend on surprise, cunning, and talking advantage of our weaknesses, the best defense is a great offense. We were on offense during the Bush years. There were no successful attacks on our soil after 9/11 during those years. Obama has gone back to playing defense and treating terrorism as a law enforcement issue. Four successful attacks on his watch. Is there a message there? I think so.

    The TSA has always been about security theater. Without profiling they are pretending to do the job. I am surprised that the terrorists have been so long in realizing that the pre-screening queue areas are the most vulnerable. I have been in the Denver airport which has a winding back and forth line to the security check area. There were at least 400 people in an area the size of a small basketball court. One bomb and we’d all be dead. Even worse, the security check area in Denver is overlooked by an easily accessible mezzanine from which several grenades, or even RPGs, could be sent into the crowd from above.

    What effect would a series of five attacks on shopping malls in major areas during the height of Christmas shopping have? A major effect on economic activity, IMO.

    What kind of outrage will it take before we go back on offense and stay on offense until Salafi/Wahhabi/political Islam is ground up and discredited as a theological path for Muslims? As long as the democrats are in charge, a nuclear attack might not be enough. PC, multiculturalism, and open borders are their thing and are going to get a lot of people killed.

  9. Nothing will be done until we realize sharia is the heart of the problem. That goes for us infidels and muslims. The destruction of sharia begins in the mosques and ends with the rest of the world harshly banning[exiling any and all who support sharia.

  10. “Unfortunately we can’t take that incentive away.” Steve57

    Well, not completely, no. But we can greatly reduce that incentive. To the point where recruitment basically evaporates. The methodology to do that is clear enough, it is the will that is lacking. The incentive for the jihadists is paradise with its 72 virgins. That belief is entwined with other beliefs, most relevantly with the ideological tenet that an ‘unclean’ Muslim may not enter paradise. And, as with all of Islam’s tenets, they believe it has been declared by Allah himself, so there’s no possibility of changing it.

    So, ensure that as many killed and captured jihadists as possible are unclean when they die and by their own ‘religious’ beliefs, they are eternally barred from paradise.

    So, it has been declared by both Allah and Muhammad that, ANY contact with any part of a pig renders a Muslim unclean. And while moderate Muslims may discount that tenet, jihadists, the most faithful of Muslims cannot dismiss that belief.

    The sincere though fanatical Imams and Mullahs, who drive Islamic terrorism believe the same thing. Targeting them with retribution that renders them unclean, accomplishes the same result. Whereas, those who are not sincere and are in it for the wealth and power, value their precious hides above all else.

    Again, changing the risk-reward ratio for ‘radical’ Muslims isn’t particularly difficult, its the west’s political correctness wherein the problem lies.

  11. parker,

    Sharia is simply the ‘legal’ codification of Allah’s commands in the Qur’an and Muhammad’s assertions in the hadiths. To reject sharia is to effectively reject Muhammad and therefore to reject Allah’s veracity, which rests entirely upon Muhammad’s veracity.

    The only Muslim society that can reject sharia is one ruled by a dictator, strong man. Which is why Turkey started to drift back to sharia with the death of Ataturk and why Saddam’s ouster guaranteed that Iraq would either become theocratic or install another strong man.

    And yes, that implies that had we stayed in Iraq for another 20 or even 50 years, as soon as we left, the same dynamic would have started to reassert itself.

    Muslim majority societies cannot adopt Western norms and remain Islamic because Islam cannot tolerate democracy nor separation of church and state. As they are both anathema to Islam’s tenets.

  12. Blert:

    Were or are these mosques state sponsored?

    Image result for what is the oldest mosque in america
    The Mother Mosque of America, once known as The Rose of Fraternity Lodge and also known as Moslem Temple, in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, United States, is the longest standing mosque in North America. Built in 1934, it is the second oldest after the mosque built in tiny Ross, North Dakota, which was built in 1929. (Google)

    All this talk about 72 virgins and defilement of the Muslims (i.e., unclean conditions at death) didn’t seem to stop the 9-11 hijackers flying planes into buildings and having their remains mixed in with those of the kuffar. Doesn’t seem to stop suicide bombers. If you haven’t caught on yet Islam appears to exceptions for the “martyr” if the goal is killing the kuffar.

  13. Islam views the 9/11 highjackers and suicide bombers as an honorable death. It sees nothing unclean in fulfilling Allah’s will. It is when a Muslim is already in an unclean state or where contact with the unclean occurs just prior to death where Allah forbids entrance into paradise.

    That is not personal opinion. That is what Islam unequivocally declares to be Allah’s will.

  14. Anne-Marie Murphy, the Irish young woman unknowingly carrying a bomb in her luggage courtesy of her lover, brings to mind THE LITTLE DRUMMER GIRL syndrome, which I’ve expected to see more of (and probably now will).

    I view the MSM and PC as the 5th column. I look back at Michael Hastings, for instance, who brought down Gen. Stanley McChristal by means of an article in Rolling Stone wherein he repeated things said loosely when McChristal’s staff was drunk — and one guy took Hastings aside and said, “If you fuck us over we’ll kill you.” Hastings died in a flaming car MVA after his article did its damage and if anyone could get away with something like this it would be Special Forces and I personally hope to God they did. My friend at ABC said, “No way, man.” But then, he’s come to follow the CW (Common Wisdom) on everything for some while now.

    In order words, reporters and Human Rights Watch and Amnesty Int’l and the entire feminist “War Without Anyone Getting Hurt” PC orthodoxy is as much our enemy as the Islamic motherfuckers.

    Because there will be collateral damage. The Muslims know this is our big vulnerability (along with the PC weakening of the Armed Forces under Obama).

  15. Geoffrey Britain Says
    Islam views the 9/11 highjackers and suicide bombers as an honorable death.

    “Let say, rather, inciter of public interest,” by phobia

  16. JJ:
    “We were on offense during the Bush years.”

    Bush’s counter-terrorism strategy, including and especially the Iraq intervention, was fundamentally correct. Strong-horse American leadership of the free world is the requisite foundation to win the War on Terror.

    When critics of the Bush counter-terrorism strategy – from the Left and Right – claim that there’s no military solution, they elide that the military piece is operative in the context of everything else, such that the military piece allows for the structuring, anchoring, and empowering of every other transformative social cultural/political piece.

    A major takeaway from this explanatory forum on ISIS by Columbia University subject matter experts from the Saltzman Institute of War and Peace Studies is that the COIN Surge and resulting establishment of the US as the strong horse in the epic direct confrontation with the Saddam/AQ terrorist alliance should have been the beginning of the end of the jihadists, including Saddam/AQ derivatives like AQI and ISIS, as a significant international threat.

    Obama’s mocked ‘jayvee’ characterization was in fact correct: by 2009, the terrorists, while not eradicated, were a defeated, broken, marginalized lot. bin Laden had put all his eggs in one basket with Iraq – and lost … or so he thought.

    Except Bush’s successor, instead of following up the Bush gains like Ike followed up FDR and Truman by cementing strong-horse American leadership of the free world in post-WW2, deviated course from Bush.

    Obama’s deviant sequence, instead, re-positioned the US as a feckless weak horse in Iraq and the subsequent Arab Spring that betrayed the Iraqi nationalists and Arab Spring reformers who counted and depended on strong-horse American leadership, and re-credited Russian-supported, terrorist-sponsoring autocratic regimes along with Sunni and Shia jihadists.

    Of course, Obama reversed America’s hard-won gains under Bush and revitalized the enemy upon the prevailing yet demonstrably false narrative of the Iraq intervention that the GOP has irresponsibly refused to re-litigate for the public to set the record straight.

  17. Obama’s mocked ‘jayvee’ characterization was in fact correct:

    Evil is never correct.

  18. didn’t seem to stop the 9-11 hijackers flying planes into buildings and having their remains mixed in with those of the kuffar.

    Killing khafirs and getting blood on their hands purifies them of all sins, including the sexual ones.

    Not understanding Islam is a big problem when they have been Christianity and the West’s enemies for 1400 years.

  19. …and in fact it was also incorrect when it was uttered, which was in January of 2014, as I wrote here.

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