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  1. I guess I am seeing something else with the Ramsey Clarks of this world. I see it also with so many of the LLL academics. They seem to feel that in the more perfect world to come they will, because of their superior knowledge, become the leaders of this socialist utopia by acclamation. They feel that the proles will accept them as the natural leaders and when the eggs must be broken by eliminating those who are against the revolution, it will be the other eggs that are broken, not them. They just cannot conceive that theproles will hate them for their superiority complex and that they will be the first to face the firing squad.

    I think that we see this in the Stalin show trials and in the way that Hitler treated his initial supporters and in the various Mao purges. For some reason our LLL cannot conceive that this will happen to them if they ever get in this situation. They just blithely go on their merry way thinking that their behavior is the best of all possible worlds and that we as the proles just do not understand them and their superior knowledge. The total disconnect with the reality of the lives of other people just does not seem to break through the thick skin of their beliefs.

  2. The funny thing was the “Aryans” were actually originally, or partially, from Persia. Which is Iran… which means David Duke supporting Islamic fundamentalist’s hatred of Jews makes a lot of sense.

  3. If you work for the ACLU or something, I can see such a pattern developing. But for this guy to seek out defending the most disgusting characters, again and again… it’s pathological. (sorry, n-ncon, I’m probably not using that word correctly!)

  4. Neo,

    Interesting theory about ‘snapshot’ personal observations in Clark’s formative years as a young post-war Marine becoming the core of his present-day activism. It implies that Clark’s beliefs are actually anti-intellectual and based on a strong emotional reaction.

    I can identify with that, but from the other end of the spectrum. I spent my formative years as a young soldier in Korea in the late 90s and early 2000s. I was even tasked out for the 50th Korean War anniversary in May 2000 as the driver-escort for COL Lew Millett. I entered the Army with a more-negative opinion of the US military and foreign policy (yes, I’m a liberal NYer), but my 1st hand experience serving as a US soldier in modern Korea, combined with learning about the Korean War, changed my mind. If Clark’s views were deeply affected by the post-war suffering he witnessed 50 years ago, my views were affected by Korea’s hard-earned prosperity and freedom 50 years into USMC PVT Clark’s future, earned with our enduring help.

    Serving on the 50th Korean War anniversary detail, and hanging around Korean War veterans (GI Joe has nothing on them as “real American heroes”) really brought home to me the great cost of our freedoms and way of life, but also that there is reason to believe in the process.

  5. 1) Not eight but 10 convicted German war criminals were hanged on the night of October 16, 1946, as the conclusion of the international war crimes tribunal at Nurnberg, Germany:

    Hans Frank, Wilhelm Frick, Alfred Jodl, Ernst Kaltenbrunner, Wilhelm Keitel, Alfred Rosenberg, Fritz Sauckel, Arthur Seyss-Inquart, Julius Streicher and Joachim von Ribbentrop. Hermann Goering had been sentenced to death but cheated the hangman with a secreted poison capsule about an hour before his date on the gallows. An eleventh nazi member of Hitler’s inner circle, Martin Bormann, sentenced to death in absentia, was never found and was presumed killed in Berlin in the last days of fighting in 1945.

    2) Personalities such as David Duke seem less focused on supporting the white race than on promoting Jew hatred. Which seems sardonic, in that most of the Jews of Europe and the western hemisphere are as white as Duke and the rest of the ‘aryans’. But logic was never a strong point with the true believers not only of racism but of other movements characterized mainly by mass escape from reason.

    Arnold Harris
    Mount Horeb WI

  6. All this informed me in a way I could never escape: the enormity of human misery on the planet; the enormity of poverty and suffering; the contrast between raw power and the vaster poverty of the impotent.

    Some Marines might see that, and come to believe in the warrior philosophy, of peace through superior firepower. Others, it seems, becomes parochial, broken, and forever shorn of clarity.

    One might argue that being in the United States, one does not have all that accurate a picture of the injustices the rest of the world suffers. And one might also argue that the power of the United States should be used to help the powerless, in the primordial power gap between the weak and the strong.

    How helping a dictator like Saddam, who took full advantage of his superior power compared to others, is going to alleviate the “suffering” and the “misery” of humanity is unclear to me.

    Perhaps alleviating the problems of humanity isn’t on Clark’s plate, perhaps he simply seeks to help himself forget the past by atoning in the present for superficial guilts. Maybe he has even shifted his guilt onto the United States, and sees anyone that is a enemy of the United States as an enemy of his guilt.

    If that is so, then Clark is an enemy of the ones who truly are helping to end humanity’s suffering on this Earth.

    I wonder if he knows that the oath he swore so long ago, to defend the Constitution against domestic and foreign enemies, now applies to him.

  7. It’s hard to reconcile Clark’s support of civil rights in America with his current support of mass murderers, but it does reflect on the course that the rest of the ‘radical’ left has taken. Although civil rights activism was an unquestionably positive thing, it seems to have produced some bad side-effects.

    From civil rights activism, the Left learned that the government can force the people to change their behavior. Since then, whenever the Left wanted to force the American people to change their ways, they didn’t try to positively influence the general population – they directly lobbied the government to change the laws.

    Since the Left sees the general population as a herd that can be pushed in one direction or another by the state and its laws, they lost all interest in gaining the support of “Joe Sixpack”. In fact, they felt free to hate his guts and to laugh at him at every opportunity. The opinion of the average ‘redneck’ American means as much to the Left as the opinion of a cow.

    The Left lost the love of the American public, so, when the Left lost the house, the senate and the presidency, they lost everything.

    Totalitarianism appeals to people who believe that they have no ability to win power by any other means. The ideology of the radical left, like the ideology of the radical right doesn’t appeal to the majority of voters. David Duke and his ilk have known that for years. People like Ramsay Clark are just finding it out.

    The American people have flushed leftist ideology down the toilet. The formerly powerful, like Ramsay Clark, are finding themselves in the same septic tank that David Duke and Pat Buchanan have been in sitting in for years and they can’t stand it.

    Clark and Duke are doing their best to push their ideology in any way they can. They both say that they’re doing it for the love: Duke says he’s moved by his compassion for the white race, Clark says he’s moved by his compassion for the humanity of dictators and murderers. Both are stasists who believe that the state should force others to live according to their personal beliefs, and both are probably doing it all for the money and whatever power they can grab.

    (As far as the whodunnit question, about who was bumping off Saddam’s defense attorneys – if you ask cui bono, it has to be Clark 🙂

  8. I don’t have a problem with him representing Saddam. Even dictators are entitled to representation in a court of law.

    Clark, however, has gone on record expressing his personal admiration for anyone who attacks his home country. His willingness to defend the worst is admirable; his willingness to attack the best is not.

  9. Clark is one of those people who rides around on a white horse trying to do the right thing,but,in this case,he is doing the wrong thing by his defense of Saddam Hussein – who is a murderer and a tyrant !

  10. The Vietnam choice was this:
    War or N. Commie victory (& genocide).

    The shame of supporting a war, where imperfect Americans actually make inevitable mistakes seems much greater than the shame of blaming America for not “doing enough” in some other way, and having other killers be the rulers.

    I think Clark is ashamed that America is not perfect, HIS America; so much so that he participates in self-loathing / anti-Americanism.

    Like too many Leftists.

    Unable to accept that America is imperfect — unwilling to judge it as better than those civilizations even worse.

  11. IMO, the extreme lefties don’t actually believe what they’re saying.
    They want something different but realize it won’t sell. So they lie.

    One thing that drives the over-educated nuts is that nobody, most especially Joe Sixpack, is interested in their opinions. But what is this education for, if not to know better? Something Must Be Done.
    Hence, IMO, the fascination with the dictator. The dictator can will anything, and the lefties think they’ll be the power behind the guys in their tailored cammies and revolutionary designer shades.

    The exercise of power is addicting, and the vics can be ratonalized away. That’s why the Vietnamese boat people were all bourgeois oppressors. That’s a hell of a ratio of oppressor to oppressee. Something like one to ten, which speaks of a damn’ efficient economy if ten peasants
    can be squeezed to support one of the idle and rapacious rich. But, anyway, the boat people couldn’t be real vics. That would mean somebody screwed up.

    Maybe Clark is a sociopath whose jumpstart compassion for the worst among us is just a tweak in the emptiness.

  12. I do NOT understand the so called peace activists who claim to want love and peace throughout the world, but who fail to acknowledge the horror brought upon humans by the same dictators they seem to support. What is it? Just a natural desire to hate ones self and country?

    I recall thinking about what I was being taught in school…that morality is all dependent on perspective. But I could not rationalize that with my knowledge of Nazi Germany. How can the wrong of murdering millions of innocents be equally as wrong as the allies dropping bombs on a German city. They were two completely different things in my view and I could not reconcile the “two wrongs don’t make a right” meme that my mother drilled into me.

    How can the so called “peace” protestors intellectually believe what they are chanting? War never solved anything??? Okay…except for slavery…nazism…communism (okay, this one still lingers). What is the deal with wearing Che shirts?

    I guess I’m one of those stooopid conservatives. Though I was a liberal until 9/11…I even voted for Clinton and for Gore. *shudder* Maybe someone with more brain power than I can explain it to me. And then perhaps explain it to my little brother and mother who still suffer from BDS and can’t hold a logical conversation with me w/o starting to scream and rant.

    *sigh* Those darn family gatherings.

  13. OK, in case you’re wondering why somebody woud delete a comment: boy, is my face read. I did’t finish the post before I commented. I told the the LBJ – Tom Clark story. Then, I went back and finished the post,and well,..
    Anyway, sorry. Great blog, though.

  14. Another fascinating post, Neoneo. This Ramsey Clark phenomenon is a syndrome, isn’t it? Like BDS? I’d love to hear you speculate about its psychological origins.

  15. I think this post is related to the one about left-wing writers. Here, it seems to me, is how:
    1. Clark is “fascinated” by criminals, but not by their crime. He is appalled that a concentration camp guard was “shamed” in front of his family and spat on, but what the guard might have done (say, take a baby from a Jewish prisoner, toss it in the air and catch it on his bayonet), that is not interesting. (Hey, he might say, we all do wild and crazy things in our youth.)
    3. Similarly, Truman Capote was “fascinated” by the two killers of the Clutter family, but not by the crime itself, and certainly not by the victims. They become objects, as the Jews were reduced to ashes.
    4. Now, in the hands of a great writer, Dostoevsky for example, fascination with the criminal or outlaw mind illuminates some of the darkest corners of the human soul. In the hands of a Capote, it was reduced to gawking. Smith, one of the killers, had a very lousy childhood. That is, in itself, not all that unusual or illuminating of anything.
    5. When historian Arendt fell for Eichmann’s assumed persona at his trial, she then depicted him as an example of the banality of evil. Not quite right. Evil is not banal, the evil doer may be. But artistically, that will not do. The killers must never be allowed to be as banal as their victims, as common, as dull, as uninteresting, as lacking an inner life. So writers seek out or invent the fascination, the inner life, the compulsion for the crime. They don’t do it for the victims, because then the contrast–fascinating outlaw/criminals as human beings v. nameless, faceless vitims as objects–could not be maintained.
    6. Mailer was, for years, fascinated by criminals and helped free one from jail because he wrote well. He soon murdered a waiter in the Village. What drove Mailer was this interest in the most “existentialist” act, murder. This is moral and philosophical garbage, an adolescent’s intellectual wet dream. But talent is no gurantee of thoughtfulness or maturity.
    7. Clark is a political version of this symptom, one usually afflicting writers and intellectuals living very comfortable upper middle class lives in NYC and the Cape in the summer. Ah, the thrill of identifying with a murderer or tyrant, even if in fantasy or fiction. But then, it’s back to those lovely dinner parties with well-dressed and well-heeled admirers. Prosit!

  16. sorry, “the extreme empathy for suffering individuals that can be seen, and the lack of imagination about their victims…”

  17. The extreme empathy for victims seen, and the lack of imagination about their victims — seems to characterize the Left, and I find myself saying “but what about, but what about…” at the same time I am being excoriated for hard-heartedness toward the anecdote at hand.

    I think it’s a neurological perceptual divergence of massive proportions. Any way to find out more?

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