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Next year I suppose he’ll get the Peace Prize: Pinter wins Nobel for literature — 21 Comments

  1. And all the dead air is alive
    With the smell of America’s God.

    Right on.

    Annual American military budget = $400 billion.

  2. Well, re the Zawahiri letter again, an update wherein some are doubting its authenticity, at least in terms of its author being Zawahiri.

    Though too, via Michael Barone’s blog, the indications noted above are reconfirmed, re the MSM here and re the emerging Iraqi army here.

  3. As an actor the problem with Pinter’s plays is that one cannot act ‘pauses’. Try acting his work day after day, week and week, year after years, his contrived dialogue creates a mechanicalized engine which needs alcohol just to drive the play to the end, he is dead boring. Film actors can get away with all sorts of contrived writing because of the camera, of endless angles and re-takes, and of editing but man, having to act ‘pauses’ live on stage over and over and over again is a killer.

    I, too, question why so many artists, ie writers, painters, actors, are left-leaning towards the road to serfdom when that ideology is the very thing which destroys creative expression.

    I have devoted the past decade to theater and acting here in NYC but now I see that I exist in a state of complete frustration (downright disgust) with the vicious groupthink mentality which prevails in the artistic community. I can no longer identify with what is now hollow theater controlled by self-absorbed vulgar artists. Perhaps the artist has been for so long idolized by the audience they now believe themselves superior to the audience and feel obliged to ridicule and mock with vulgar insanity those they can emotionally manipulate. Most actors are so hungry for stardom they will abandon any sense of humanity in order to achieve such worthless notoriety, they’ll just follow along no matter how revolting is the message, the cause or belief.

    After my own self-reflection into what I was involved with I had no choice but to leave that scene. I haven’t abandoned my innate desire to create, I abandoned those who tried to maintain absolute control over creativity.

  4. Pinter’s poetry isn’t exactly what I would call the result of literary genius, either. More the ranting of an agry old leftist who is divorced from reality.

    It’s a shame.

  5. For some reason I’m a lot more interested (Yes a lot is two words) in the composition and stories of the judging panel that gives out these “Nobel Prizes” rather than the stories of the recipients themselves.

    Go figure…

  6. Well, actually, I think Pinter *deserves* the Nobel literature prize soley for inspiring my favorite Seinfeld episode, “The Betrayal,” – the one that ran backwards.

    Actually, I’ve never seen Pinter’s “Betrayal”, nor any other Pinter play, nor am I now inclined to do so.

    But Pinter’s contribution to Seinfeldian humor should justify the Prize.

    BTW, I didn’t realize until someone told me afterwards that the Seinfeld episode got the backwards-running idea from a Pinter play. Then, over the years, as I’ve watched that episode several times in reruns, I’ve picked up more Pinteresque references, i.e., Elain’s Indian ex-boyfriend’s name was Pinter, and the name of the episode itself. Just thinking about it makes me laugh.

    Oh well, after all, this year is (once again) the Year of the Inappropriate Nobel Prize Recipients, isn’t it. I mean, how funny is it that ElBaradei and the IAEA wins the Peace prize, after both N.K. and Iraq were bomb-making right under their noses…. One might say, in a post-Katerinesque manner, “Mo’, you’re doin’ a heck of a job!”

    Best regards,
    SteveR

  7. I would contrast Pinter’s comments on Iraq — why else did he get the Nobel Prize for Literature at this time (or Jimmy Carter the “Peace Prize?”) — with this editorial (link) on Iraq from the Bangkok Post (via Roger L Simon’s website)
    http://www.bangkokpost.com/News/14Oct2005_news20.php
    The Bangkok Post gets it, the New York Times is lost.

  8. Bunnies, I recommend reading New Criterion, either online or on dead tree. It is an art and culture magazine of quite different orientation.

    Your next project is to not laugh at a poetry reading while going with someone else who also knows it’s tripe. Much harder, but I wish you luck.

  9. Bunnies

    Yes, a good portion of contemporary poetry is not much above the stuff written over unrinals in men’s rooms. Not much like T.S. Eliot. But there still are “real” poets around–try Wilbur, Ashbury, Merrill or Donald Hall. But I’m not optimistic. As in other areas of our culture, the lowest common denominator–read: junk–will win out.
    Back to to Yeats, then, laddies and lassies.

  10. You may be right, Mr. Idiot. I guess to an extent I just want confirmation. Or perhaps I have a deep-seated need for revenge because of the studies I’ve read accusing me of an “innate comfort with inequality.”

    I find it funny how artists consider themselves to be so individualistic and original but then have the exact same political beliefs on everything.

    I consider myself to be somewhat artistic, but if would be so nice to find other artists who don’t make me laugh. They make me laugh even when I think they’re really good at what they do.

    For now, I’l just remain proud that I went to a poetry reading in Chigago and refrained from laughter the entire time; it was one of the greatest challenges I’ve ever faced.

    Poetry used to mean Chaucer and Shakespeare, now it’s about wailing and associating the Pres and VP’s names with genitalia. I guess I’m just too shallow to get it.

  11. Oh, Bunnies, you know. You intuitively know, but hoping that some person clever with words can articulate it.

    I was a 1971-75 Theater major. I can smell it at 50 meters.

  12. If she hasn’t already, I would love for Neo-Neocon to post on why artists tend to be so left-drifting. I have my own theories on the topic, but I suspect that hers would be more enlightening. Many artists think that they drift left because they care more, but I think there must be more to it than that. “Dancing in the Ring” I’m sure fits in somewhere, but I doubt that explains it all, either.

    Just a humble request (that may have already been granted for all I know–I’m new here).

  13. Michael B–I read that letter; an amazing document. The man is certainly not stupid–it seems he’s well aware of the role of the left and the media in past events such as Vietnam.

  14. Pinter is but one aspect of the detritus and flotsam in the long, enduring wake of the derivative Left’s long march through the institutions.

    Also, OT (excepting the caliphate of the Left is in some measure in a de facto alliance with the longed for caliphate of the Islamofascists):

    This letter from al-Zawahiri, a couple of the key quotes:

    “More than half of this battle is taking place in the battlefield of the media …”

    “The aftermath of the collapse of American power in Vietnam – and how they ran and left their agents – is noteworthy. … We must be ready starting now.”

    Zawahiri’s letter in full (small pdf).

    h/t: WindsOfChange

  15. Here we go again.
    Only question is: does he deserve it for the plays (Betrayal, Birthday Party, Homecoming…) he produced from the late 1950s into the 1970s? Probably, especially if measured against such giants as Spitteler (1919), Canetti (1981) or the Austrian S&M fan last year.His “poetry” is abysmal agitprop.
    Another larger question is why so many artists (good or bad) and intellectuals (real or pseudo) are against this Iraq war. Not all are inspired by knee-jerk or dumb Anti-Americanism. Do they not understand the threat from Islamofascism? Maybe some really do, but don’t think Bush and Co. picked Iraq for reasons of their own. Is it not possible to oppose this war without being Anti-American? I think so, but you couldn’t tell from a visit to LGF, or Frontpage, or NRO.
    Remember, from in the good old days of Vietnam, the cry “America, Love it or Leave It?” Well, a Marine friend who got blown up there told me :”When I was serving there, I hated the anti-war protesters, like the Chicago 7. If I had known then what I know now, I might have joined them.”
    It is not necessary to leave America because you don’t love this war. At least, for the sake of our country, I hope not.Maybe there’s truth in the criticism, even if such truth is not discernible in the rants of Pinter. There are lots of other sources, some thoughtful and troubled, but hateful.

  16. Pinter makes a genuinely good effort at displacing Vogon poetry from the rank of third worst poetry in the universe.

  17. Well, Jack Benny was the author of what became known as “the funniest silence in radio history.” (A mugger acosted Benny with “Your money or your life!” The radio audience was so familiar with Benny’s pathological miser persona that they laughed at the mental torment they knew he must be enduring. Finally, after a long silence, Benny asked for more time: “I’m thinking it over!”)

    “Seinfeld” was a TV remake of the Jack Benny radio show. (A stand-up comedian starring as a stand-up comedian under his own name. A regular crew of neurotics, all men except one beautiful women. Repeat a joke three times. Etc. etc.) Except the Benny show was more self-referential (it was set behind the scenes of the Jack Benny show. A typical episode would start with Benny saying, “I want Humphrey Bogart to guest star on the next show,” and end with a broken and almost weeping Bogart agreeing to appear on the Benny show just to get Jack to stop bugging him). It also had a virtual character (the guitarist Remly, whose voice was never heard because he was always sleeping off a drunk).

    All this in the 1930s. Yet Benny never got a Nobel.

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