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  1. She is remarkably brave as well as bright, and her opinion must be taken seriously, but I am still not convinced that it was released intentionally to cause harm and havoc. The fact that the lab’s safety protocols seem to have been, for years, rather lax might well suffice as an explanation. Kudos to Tucker for allowing her to speak!

  2. I have a fervent wish, that will never be granted, that Fauci is somehow held accountable for his role. He looks more and more like a 21st century version of Mengele to me. 7 million deaths seem to have no effect on him. What a monster.

  3. The leak was an accident, what happened after is and was intentional.
    Fauci should be stripped of his pensions, his bank accounts emptied, and he should be frogged marched naked to jail where he will get a booster shot eveyday with live active COVID.

  4. I’m sure the genome of the virus has been mapped, so the answer to leaked or released is in the genome. If the structure of the virus ignores ethnic Han peoples, it was released.

  5. Everybody has their own pet theory. Mine hasn’t changed from fairly early on: The virus escaped from the lab accidentally – they had been repeatedly warned that their controls and procedures were ineffective, dangerously so. The forensic blood work and review of records indicates that it probably first started spreading around September ’19. Once it escaped and the contagion became widespread, the Chinese panicked, which tells me (a) that they knew if came from the lab quite early and (b) that they thought it was much more lethal than it turned out to be (because it had escaped from the lab). Their response was nothing short of the kind of desperation that you see in a Hollywood disaster movie – white suits grabbing people straight off the street and stuffing them into vans, welding the doors shut on housing complexes, ‘disappearing’ any doctors or scientists that dared to report.

    Then the Chinese did the most evil thing of the whole pandemic: They shut down internal air travel and continued to run international travel at full tilt, ensuring that the likely-infected Chinese would become a viral diaspora and the rest of the world would suffer at least as badly as the Chinese. This was pure, cynical evil on display – no other word for it, quarantining internally while ensuring rampant infection for the rest of the world.

    It looks like there are plenty of incentives on the US side to keep things under wraps, since it also now appears pretty clear that the US was funding gain-of-function experimentation, but being careful to launder the funding through multiple organizations in order to give the appearance of deniability. I hope that Rand Paul never shuts up about this.

    If the US was funding this kind of research, then what kind of funding was being funneled to the pharmaceutical companies for vaccine research on the viruses being tweaked? The whole thing looks too much like the branches on a common tree to dismiss it out of hand. And the stonewalling only makes it look worse.

  6. In the early stages, the CCP must have realized how devastating this pandemic would be to their export driven economy. Widespread infections, high debilitating fever with large numbers of deaths among the elderly. As mentioned above, they new the source and probably assumed that it was deadly across the whole population. In retrospect, it seems reasonable that from their strictly amoral, parochial view, that it was necessary to spread the disease far and wide to the Western world. In that light, they banned internal travel, put permitted travel to foreign destinations. Ugly, but not a surprise.

  7. Chi haotian is a senior pla commander, going back to the korean war he relayed a message to the clinton administration re the 95 elections in taiwan.

  8. Except for iran and australia the most affected countries had concessions in colonial china us uk france germany italy

  9. Was the release intentional? Does the answer depend on the quality of the lab safety protocols —the design of the facility, the equipment to contain the hazard, the proper maintenance and operation of that equipment, the adherence to protocol by every person in the lab?

    To me the answer is suggested by asking a more familiar question: if I drive drunk, did I not intend the mayhem that follows?

  10. I remember her original interview, before she disappeared from sight. I wondered at the time if that was necessary on her part.
    What would be the benefit of a pandemic in 2020? Donald Trump? Really? Why not? What would be another reason for deliberately releasing a deadly virus?

    At the time, most folks thought Donald Trump would be re-elected. For all the left’s shrill screams to the contrary, most Americans were seeing the benefits of Trump’s economic policies.

    I know it’s unbelievable, but so many unbelievable things have happened in the last two years.

  11. I agree with what Aggie said. The key point isn’t whether the CCP released this intentionally from the lab or not. The point is that they knew it came from the lab early on, they knew it was very dangerous, they let it spread around the world intentionally, and then they lied about it.

    The conversation that is just starting in the mainstream media now was happening here and many other places three years ago. There really is no way that Fauci will ever be held accountable. He’s an old man who has reaped great rewards from his lies and deception. What possible punishment would be sufficient for his crimes?

  12. Question: did the Chinese engineer the virus to be especially lethal to Europeans and their descendants but to largely spare other segments, such as Orientals of the Chinese-Korean-Japanese varieties? Has this all been an exercise in biowarfare?

  13. It would not surprise me if the lab leak were deliberate, the CCP are that malicious. OTOH, the ruling elite in this country took one look at the virus, and in Rahm Emanuel’s words decided “not to let a crisis go to waste.” I am quite sure that Chuck and Nancy and McConnell, the DNC, the RNC, and the media saw it as a giant opportunity to put a disabling hit on Trump, while at the same time roughing up the American people to let them know who’s boss. They were almost giddy in their obvious enjoyment at finally getting to let their inner tyrant come out.

    So having seen the reaction (or lack thereof) to lockdowns, vaccine mandates, and election rules that were implemented without the passage of necessary legislation, why wouldn’t they figure they had carte blanche to engage in corruption on an even larger scale? Billions of dollars have been given to Ukraine, how much of that is simply laundered and returned to Biden and his cronies? Or how about the allegations that Katie Hobbs accepted money from the Sinaloa cartel? Now, I’ll admit that I have no idea if it’s true or not, but the safe way to bet these days is that it is.

    It’s almost as though the one thing that motivates our ruling class’ most every act is spite.

  14. Art Deco (5:33 pm) asks:

    “Question: did the Chinese engineer the virus to be especially lethal to Europeans and their descendants but to largely spare other segments, such as Orientals of the Chinese-Korean-Japanese varieties?”

    Verrrrry interesting. Heaven knows, the dividers break down practically everything that can be broken down, into racial and ethnic impacts.

    Has anyone seen any breakdown of covid fatalities and/or covid ICU admissions, by race and/or ethnicity — specifically examining impacts of covid on “Orientals of the Chinese-Korean-Japanese varieties” as compared with “Europeans and their descendants”? I know I have not.

    [Better include black folks in the study, in light of Black History Month. (Snark.)]

    Verrrrry interesting.

  15. Since Covid 19 was developed in Chapel Hill, NC by the us gov’t, whom has shown long term and continuous irresponsibility and unaccountability, the release of the virus was built-in to the package.

    It was just a matter of time, if not fully intentional.

    The gov’t scapegoated China to give the low hanging fruits something to focus on.

    The US gov’t is the most criminal and outright evil institution the world has ever experienced.

  16. China seemed to use the virus to destroy the Western Economies.

    Western elites used the virus to increase their power, including censorship.

    And Fauci and company did their best to hide their funding of the virus research.

  17. Very early on, someone suggested that the virus was developed as a weapon, because corona viruses of various types are so common in China that many people there have some level of acquired immunity. If it escaped or was released, some Chinese people would still get it, but the effects would be much less severe in China than in other parts of the world. This is a price that the Chinese government would be willing to pay. I’d like to hear some comments from someone who really understands this issue.

  18. Gregory Harper: I’m not sure whether there’s a Heaven, but justice demands that there be a Hell.

  19. Baric of chapel hill was a pioneer in gain of function research but he didnt seem as much imput as daszak

  20. Like others here have mentioned, I believe I saw her first appearance on American television. Not the scientific method at all, but she seemed intelligent, brave and honest then, and each time I’ve seen her since. It’s kind-of like the first time I saw Jordan Peterson. A quality beyond mere human interaction. A level of sincerity one encounters all too rarely.

    Again, I’m basing this on emotion more than reason, but she does not appear, at all, like someone who would falsely accuse or do anything dishonest. Nor does she seem like a braggart who would make claims beyond her understanding. I think she knows what she’s talking about.

  21. While I certainly believe the virus came from the virology lab, it’s tough to think it was intentional because once a virus is in the general public there is no way to control it and no way to predict, in advance, its lethality.
    Further, why would the Chinese release a virus within their own country? What purpose would that serve? What would China have to gain by doing so?

    A virus is an “un-directed” weapon; it can, and does go anywhere including where you hope it does not go.

    Anyway, why on earth was US taxpayer $$$$ sent to China for this sort of research? Are we to believe that no lab here in the USA is capable of doing this?
    Unf’n believable.

  22. neo (6:06 pm) refers me (and other interested readers) to “a lengthy discussion of why COVID may be less prevalent in Asians.”

    Thanks for that, neo. I continue to appreciate how you can dig out salient material — thus saving many of us a lot of heavy lifting.

    My initial reaction is, as I remarked in my earlier comment, “Verrrrry interesting.” I am already delving into this.

  23. What glenn beck found out was this was part of biodefense arms race that accelerated after the first sars outbreak in 2003

  24. Why was the COVID gain-of-function research not conducted in the US? Because Congress forbade it after a close call during Obama’s presidency, including funding the research in other nations. There was a relaxation during Trump’s, that allowed the director of NIAID (that is, Fauci, assuming I haven’t screwed up the acronym) to permit US funds to be used for gain-of-function research. It’s equally clear that he didn’t formally use that power, and sought to hide the research with cutouts through third parties, conducting the research outside the US, and perjuring* himself before Congress.

    * Some would argue that use of ‘creative definitions’ isn’t, technically, lying. That’s bullshit; the whole point of making up new words to do things one isn’t supposed to be doing is to misinform. ‘Enhanced interrogation’ means something besides torture? It’s a cop-out for people who act as if words create reality, and new, different words make reality different.

  25. “Do you honestly believe there is any act for which justice would be eternal torment?”

    Boss it’s a good thing we don’t actually get to answer that question & enforce our decision.

    ‘Cos I’d have a thing to say about the Bee Gees!
    Just kidding. 😉

  26. @ghostsniper

    The US gov’t is the most criminal and outright evil institution the world has ever experienced.

    Please count the number of people Mao starved to death and murdered during peacetime and then go take a long walk off a short train station.

  27. Why would the Chinese release a virus which likely would damage them more than anyone else? And why would they release such a wimpy virus?

  28. SteveD:

    She does rather gloss over that part, doesn’t she?

    I think her contention was that it was purposely released in order to study it in some way in natural conditions, but the people who released it weren’t aware it was as contagious as it ended up being.

    Doesn’t quite make sense to me, either.

    However, it’s not the case that the virus damaged the Chinese more than anyone else.

  29. John Guilfoyle:

    The Bee Gees’ admirers often refer to their voices as “heavenly.”

    I assume you are not of that mindset.

  30. Commenters at Red State also recall seeing her earlier interviews.

    norcalguy101

    She said in September of 2020 on Tucker Carlson Tonight her personal observation of the composition of the novel coronavirus led her to understand the virus was not from natural sources but was indeed a man-made virus. Not one single Left Bank Propagandist outhouse for the Demagogic Cult reported that finding. The Demagogic Cult and their compliant Left Bank Propaganda outhouses are merely puppets for the CCP.

    That has become increasingly probable, verging on unity.

    Also, they reminded me of this:

    pinkunicorns

    It was more important for the deranged President Trump haters to squash a truth and to censor it, because President Trump suspected it.
    Hate was more important than truth, and if President Trump said it, they hated him so much, that they defended the enemy over him, and worse yet, believed the enemy.
    They’re still engaging in that mindset, and that’s why we’re here.

    norcalguy101

    He did not “suspect” the origin was from the lab. John Roberts phrased his question in April of 2020 that revealed President-elect Trump had received intelligence indicating the virus was created in the Wuhan bioweapons lab.

    That claim was forthwith dropped into the memory-hole completely, and I always wondered why Trump didn’t hammer it more. I suspect he was “convinced” somehow by the Intelligence operatives with the info (whoever they were) into withholding more comment for “national security reasons” — a request which, I believe, he would honor.

    Trump continued to put fat too much trust in the agencies that we now know were actively suborning their duty and lying about, well, pretty much everything.

  31. Imagine for a moment you are science itself, Dr Fauci(TM). You have a fairly binary choice in which story to tell the population of the country you represent.

    Option 1- That in the city of Wuhan, a place where a well documented government lab exists. A lab where various viruses including COVID are experimented with. Said virus is either accidentally or purposefully escapes and spreads around he world. OR

    Option 2- An unnamed Chinese farmer is on a pastoral Tibet-ten countryside. He is orally serviced by a rare an generally unknown endangered small mammal. And at that time in 2020 a virus that has existed for hundreds of thousands of years. Suddenly decides ” Hey I am ditching this little armored freak and going big time. Homo sapiens here I come”.

    And as the United States top virology official you decide the party line not only must be option two. But you are racist and an anti scientist conspiracy nut that must be ruthlessly silenced for even suggesting option number one.

    This is where we are now. Next up they will be telling us penises are simply rigid societal constructs

  32. @ Miguel > “I say yes because of this”

    The post he linked, originally published 2020-02-15, is titled “China Defense Minister Speech 2005 Speech – Bio-Weapons Will be used to prepare America
    for A Chinese Invasion

    (Caveat: I have no idea who the poster is, or what was his source for this speech, or if this is an accurate transcription, or if it happened at all.)

    Western countries established colonies all around the world, therefore giving themselves an advantage on the issue of living space. To solve this problem, we must lead the Chinese people into going outside of China, so that they can develop outside of China.

    Only countries like the United States, Canada and Australia have the vast land to serve our need for mass colonization. Therefore, solving the ‘issue of America’ is the key to solving all other issues.

    In the long run, the relationship of China and the United States is one of a life-and-death struggle.

    Only by using special means to ‘clean up’ America will we be able to lead the Chinese people there. Only by using non-destructive weapons that can kill many people will we be able to reserve America for ourselves.

    There has been rapid development of modern biological technology, and new bio weapons have been invented one after another. Of course, we have not been idle; in the past years we have seized the opportunity to master weapons of this kind. We are capable of achieving our purpose of ‘cleaning up’ America all of a sudden.

    When Comrade Xiaoping was still with us, the Party Central Committee had the perspicacity to make the right decision not to develop aircraft carrier groups and focused instead on developing lethal weapons that can eliminate mass populations of the enemy country.

    Biological weapons are unprecedented in their ruthlessness, but if the Americans do not die then the Chinese have to die.

    If Covid was supposed to be the ultimate cleaning agent, it didn’t succeed quite so well as they had hoped.

    I found this next excerpt very interesting, in light of our more recent invasion from Chinese agents.

    The last problem I want to talk about is of firmly seizing the preparations for military battle. The central committee believes, as long as we resolve the United States problem at one blow, our domestic problems will all be readily solved.

    Therefore, our military battle preparation appears to aim at Taiwan, but in fact is aimed at the United States, and the preparation is far beyond the scope of attacking aircraft carriers or satellites.

    The “one blow” might be still to come, but the battlespace preparation is pretty much acknowledged by everyone except the DOD and Biden Inc.

    https://strategypage.com/on_point/2023022121641.aspx

    During its North American aerial odyssey, The Big Chinese Balloon passed within intel-gathering distance of ICBM silo fields, strategic bomber bases, key global logistics hubs (Charleston for example) and major Army and USAF headquarters.

    The balloon wasn’t just blowing in the wind. Its calculated military itinerary tells reasonable Americans and Canadians — reasonable being a qualifier that excludes media influencers and politicians bribed or blackmailed by communist China — that the balloon was spying on critical North American defense installations.

    Which means it had a War Mission. Note I did not write “pre-War”; I wrote “War.”

    https://theoptimisticconservative.wordpress.com/2023/02/20/fascinating-facts-balloons-farmland-united-fronts-shipping-companies-military-bases/

    The bulk of the analysis is of Chinese land purchases in New Zealand, Australia, a few other countries, and the US; the observation that much of this land includes critical port infrastructure; and that almost all of it adjoins or is close to the “host” country’s defense installations.

    This should be ringing some bells here about prior discussions.

    Wade through the long presentation of “dots” connecting China to military espionage (it’s very detailed and thought provoking), or skip down to the end

    The ultimate purpose is to occupy foreign lands so they don’t have to be entered, cold, with overt military force at some future date, but can be prepared as military assets while the host nations are unalerted. Rural and agricultural properties are particularly suited for this.

    [In re a particular situation in Australia]

    The point here is not that anything demonstrably untoward has happened with the holdings amassed by Hancock, and the Hancock-Shanghai CRED partnership, in the 2016-2017 timeframe. The point is to illustrate the vulnerabilities invited into a nation with liberal land-use and property laws, if a foreign entity like the CCP is allowed to acquire land on the same basis as local nationals. This particular illustration goes one step further to show the potential hazards to U.S. interests if the CCP gets access to foreign land where we station forces.

    We can assume that Australia would pick up pretty quickly on any balloons launched from ranchland near Tindal or Darwin. In the wake of the balloon events since at least 2015, from the launch in New Zealand to the recent shootdown of the Chinese balloon by the U.S., there’s a better than even chance the Aussies will be sufficiently alerted to detect balloons heading across Indonesia toward northern Australia as well.

    But it’s quite possible in a campaign plan, including a hybrid-warfare plan implemented by China, to need to get a balloon in position only once, and to accomplish an objective with it before it gets taken out by the target. From a given location, it won’t necessarily be a requirement to get balloons aloft over and over again.

    Remember, shooting down a balloon at 60,000-70,000 feet takes some preparation time. You can’t just pop off a Patriot missile or turn a AAA gun on it. Even one balloon, put aloft with the expectation that it will eventually be shot down, could be enough for some purposes.

    Meanwhile, there’s no end to the electronic gear that can be set up on vast rural lands near military bases and national logistics infrastructure. We can assume that the People’s Liberation Army is already in routine communications with assets at rural land holdings as well as major-city and industrial locations in various parts of the globe, including the USA.

    This is a significant slice of what I’ve been planning to convey with the long-promised survey of Chinese-owned land in the U.S. That’s still coming, but I admit, I hadn’t focused before this month on the possibility that one of the threats from such ownership would be balloons.

  33. “not of that mindset”
    Yes ma’am that would be correct…BUT…neither do I view them as “eternal torment.” Just not my go-to music choice; as in they will not show up on my “year in Spotify review” or whatever they call it.

  34. Dyer brings up another prong of what I just christened the Chinese War Trident (bio, balloon, and business):

    https://theoptimisticconservative.wordpress.com/2023/02/27/in-a-new-geo-military-landscape-belaruss-lukashenko-goes-to-china/

    Just over six years ago, in January 2017, I noted in an article at Liberty Unyielding that China had recently closed a logistics gap eyed for some 200 years by military planners. The gap had been felt as a hindrance for much longer than that, but it became especially significant to warfare and geopolitics in the age of rail.

    China’s feat was completing a capable, reliable rail network all the way from China’s eastern coast to the UK, on the western edge of Europe. On 1 January 2017, Beijing inaugurated the first freight train service from China to London.

    Rail service all the way across Asia and Europe, and not operated by Russia to at least Eastern Europe, had never existed before. The lack of such service was a key factor in every kind of geopolitical calculation about Asia: economic and military as well as political.

    It’s still necessary to make stops for gauge changes (typically solved by transshipment at intermodal hubs) in the trek across Asia. That continues to slow the service down a bit. But it is weeks faster than sending freight by sea between China and Europe, and a much less vulnerable path for outside interdiction. The political cost may vary, for any interdiction effort no matter where it is, but interdicting rail through Central Asia requires penetration of sovereign territory in Central Asia. On average, that’s a more prohibitive prospect than interdicting cargo at sea or in foreign ports.

    The connections reflected on the next map and the schematic following it didn’t exist 20 years ago. Now they do.

    The fastest-ever service mentioned above, with its three entry points into Poland, runs through Belarus. Besides Warsaw, destinations for freight carried by CRE through Belarus include the massive transport hubs in Hamburg, Duisburg, and Rotterdam.

    Belarus, and Minsk in particular, is the biggest European entry hub for CRE service to Europe.

    The easy-open can that Western Russia, Belarus, and Europe now constitute for China is essential context for three bits of news from the past week.

    One is that China has offered a 12-point peace plan for Ukraine and Russia. The second is that Western intelligence agencies suggest China is planning to supply Russia with arms for the Ukraine fight. (China says no.)

    The third is that Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko is traveling to China this week to meet with Xi Jinping.

    Restive partisans in Belarus have had some success with sabotage efforts against Russian assets and logistic arrangements. But Belarus is a critical node for Chinese commerce and access to Europe now. It’s an interesting question what Xi might ask Lukashenko to do about such an internal sabotage problem, if Belarus were to be involved as a way-point or staging point for Chinese arms supplied for the Ukraine theater.

    Almost as interesting as such a role for Belarus arising in the first place. We’ve left the 20th century, with its defining wars and defining limitations, behind.

  35. In case anyone needed to vent some more, Doc Zero feels your pain.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1630553325702660098.html

    It is beyond amazing that anyone who isn’t on Beijing’s payroll still wants to give China any “benefit of the doubt” re: lab leak. They’ve been caught concealing and destroying evidence dozens of times. Why would they do that if the origin of Covid-19 was natural?

    You’ve got a suspect with an unbroken lifetime history of pathological lying, you’ve repeatedly caught them tampering with evidence in this case, they have strong motives to scuttle the investigation, they would BENEFIT FROM TRANSPARENCY if they weren’t guilty…
    … and oh, yeah, they constantly intimidate and threaten everyone investigating the case. But you want to keep giving them the benefit of the doubt? You still think there’s a scenario where China is innocent, but those lovable Commie goofballs just couldn’t help acting guilty?

    The correct course of action is to presume guilt and proceed accordingly after China’s many attempts to stymie the investigation, not only because it’s logical to assume they would be more helpful if they weren’t guilty, but because presuming innocence REWARDS THEIR OBFUSCATION.

    And this isn’t just about scoring points, correcting the historical record, etc. It’s relevant for the FUTURE. Everyone says they want to do everything possible to avoid future pandemics, right? Western leaders are demanding we sacrifice freedom and sovereignty for the effort.

    Well, how can any future anti-pandemic effort be serious if the top suspect in the intentional or negligent release of the world-ravaging Covid-19 pandemic is indulged in obstructing investigations and destroying evidence? Everything else is pure theater if THAT precedent stands.

    An authoritarian regime gets away with blocking investigations of probable lab origins for a deadly pandemic that crippled our economy – and the lesson is that free nations must become more authoritarian to deal with future outbreaks?

    If that’s the outcome of all this, why wouldn’t China do it again, as soon as possible – absolutely on purpose this time? Why would they behave any differently in the next pandemic, no matter what its origins, if obfuscation and destroying evidence worked out just fine?

    And if you’re understandably interested in potential U.S. funding for the lab leaked research, that’s all the more reason to demand relentless investigations – and to question the judgement of any “expert” that still insists on defaulting to natural origins. /end

  36. Just a reminder (from Nov. 2022):
    “World Economic Forum chair Klaus Schwab declares on Chinese state TV: ‘China is a model for many nations’ “—
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/world-economic-forum-chair-klaus-schwab-declares-on-chinese-state-tv-china-is-a-model-for-many-nations/ar-AA14tRvy
    This is not a one-off….

    Nor should one forget the abject, COLLUSIONAL role played by the WHO (under the non-doctor former communist).

    Whether Covid was an intentional “experiment” or not (and it makes far more sense to me that it was an accident that, once it occurred, was taken advantage of to see how it could be used), one can COUNT ON IT, that it will be perceived—-is perceived—as a trial run for the next round of…whatever.

  37. Not really surprising, keeping in mind that the greatest enemy of “Biden”‘s military machine is AGW…and that it is a military imperative that one keep one’s strategic priorities consistent——IOW weakening that military and confounding and alienating your fighters…

  38. Related (to “Biden” ‘s military)…
    …but how, exactly?
    ‘ Air Force Relieves Six Leaders At Nuclear Base Over “Loss Of Confidence” ‘—
    https://www.zerohedge.com/military/air-force-relieves-six-leaders-nuclear-base-over-loss-confidence

    One dearly hopes (against hope?) that this has NOTHING to do with vaccine mandates.

    That is, one hopes that it’s just good old incompetence.

    OTOH, it seems doubtful, but could it possibly have anything to do with Ukraine? …

  39. #1 . I agree with the summary by Aggie at 4:47, which lays out what I think happened.

    #2. At 11:04 pm above Neo said “However, it’s not the case that the virus damaged the Chinese more than anyone else.”

    In view of the CCP’s near total control over virtually every aspect of China and it’s peoples, and the news coming out of China, I wonder what source she has–able to penetrate the CCP’s totalitarian grip on information, and discern the truth–to back up this statement.

    The CCP propagandists I saw on TV say that actually very few Chinese have died from COVID.

    But, did Chinese actually die by the many millions, and are they still dying in huge numbers?

    Who can really know.

  40. Early on in spread of the Wuhan virus there was the news story from Italy, about a town devoted to clothing manufacture which had a large number of Chinese who were working there, and who apparently made frequent trips back and forth to China.

    To demonstrate his/their virtue, and to protest how people were pointing fingers at the Chinese as responsible for this outbreak–lots of racists, man–a man was standing in the town square with a signboard, asking Chinese to come up for a hug.

    I remember that, in the TV clip saw, when someone Chinese came up for a hug, the guy with the signboard took off the Chinese person’s mask as he leaned in for a hug.

    Shortly thereafter came reports of a major outbreak of the Wuhan virus in this town/region.

    What fools!

  41. P.S. If the Chinese authorities were serious about trying to stop spread of the virus, wouldn’t you think that the first thing they would do is to take the elementary and common sense step of limiting it’s spread by temporarily forbidding Chinese citizens from traveling to other countries?

    The giveaway that this spread was done on purpose/was actually being facilitated by Chinese authorities, was when the Chinese government locked down internal travel from Wuhan but, at the same time, allowed Chinese to freely travel anywhere else in the world.

  42. The CUP knows, from experience, that they can spare a few tens of millions of people from time to time. Their idea of ” catastrophe” is different from ours.

  43. It’s possible, perhaps even probable, that China’s refusal to ban foreign travel was due more to the desire/need to make it appear as though things were normal, that there was nothing to conceal (until they couldn’t conceal it any more, whereupon they blamed the US).
    IOW coverup…
    …which is a proven authoritarian “methodology” that also just happens to be one of “Biden”‘s many talents.
    And Trudeau’s.
    https://blazingcatfur.ca/2023/02/28/trudeau-downplays-chinese-efforts-to-elect-canadian-liberals/
    https://blazingcatfur.ca/2023/03/01/warmington-time-for-investigation-into-chinas-alleged-election-interference/
    https://blazingcatfur.ca/2023/02/28/csis-is-worried-about-china-interfering-in-our-elections-even-if-the-government-isnt/

    + Bonus:
    Ben Shapiro pretty much says the obvious in his Covid coverup run-down, saturated in exquisitely detailed collusion perpetrated by the usual suspects, as well as some surprising ones, and smothered aggressively by the corrupt media.
    But he does it quite well.
    “The Greatest Cover-up in Human History”—
    https://jewishworldreview.com/0323/shapiro030123.php

  44. They knew that ferguson at imperial the folks at u washington john hopkins would cook up this methodological bat soup

  45. Trump had China on the defense and they did not like it. First because they are controlled by communist tyrants, and second because many in their society are arrogant pricks who consider themselves and Chinese culture superior to anyone else.

    I believe they released the virus on purpose. Anyone that has to ask wether they did or not has no idea what these hegemonic communist regimes are capable of.

  46. JohnTyler asks what purpose would it serve to release the virus in their own country?

    While I still believe the most logical explanation is negligence (or here, gross negligence given that the scientists knew how easy it was to infect others), one aspect of COVID-19 that could be useful to China in particular, but also other countries, is the somewhat unusual impact this virus has. From the beginning this virus had little impact on the young and very young, which is very surprising since their immune systems are not well developed. The typical Type A influenza virus kills the old and young (especially age 0-4) disproportionately, but COVID-19 really hit the old harder, especially the very old, and barely touched the very young.

    China, like many countries, is facing social costs for its elderly, both as to healthcare expenses and simple social security safety net, and COVID is a perfect virus to weed out the old, while not affecting the young who will pay taxes to support the older generations. The very old typically cost the most as far as health care expenes, and those people contribute the least economically in China, so add another benefit for the Chinese government. China in particular is very concerned with social unrest, and by helping solve an economic and social problem (and getting rid of Donald Trump to boot), it helps the communist party and Xi stay in power. I have no doubt they would willingly sacrifice millions of their own people for power–they’ve done it before. The care even less about the rest of the world.

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