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Might this put a damper on the “fast-track surgery for trans” movement? — 28 Comments

  1. I recently read a Twitter thread by an American male-to-female surgical patient who talked about major regrets following “bottom” surgery: complete loss of libido, no sensation at all in the pretend vagina, difficulty urinating with the reconstructed apparatus and constant urinary leakage. Deep, deep regrets, and none of these very foreseeable situations were explained to him at all before he did it.

    My opinion is that most of these “transgenders” would have been much better off remaining in their original bodily arrangements. Some may be “gay,” but they would be whole.

    This kind of thing becomes even worse when “authorities” like Rachel Levine push hormone treatments and surgeries for children. These children will be left permanently infertile and permanently unable to experience sexual pleasure, and these decisions will be guided by adults who will take these potentials away from them when they are too young to understand what is being done.

  2. The standard of care in this area is certainly not settled.

    I’d say the NHS has a ream of documents showing that this person consented to this.

  3. Cornhead:

    Of course they have such documents. Even he says he did consent. He says his consent wasn’t informed consent and that it was under duress because they were going to withdraw the other services they provided him.

  4. The physical realities of what trans surgery did to this young man are horrific. He definitely thinks that in addition to the lack of mental health care given to him, he didn’t have informed consent because the complete picture of the effects of the surgery were never explained to him.

    From an article on his experiences: “No one ever told me that the base area of your penis is left. It can’t be removed. It means you have a stump inside which twitches.”He added: “It takes me about 10 minutes to empty my bladder. It is extremely slow, painful, and because it dribbles… it will then go all over the entire area, leaving me soaking.

    ‘I find moments later my underwear is wet. It slowly drips out for more than an hour. I never knew that I would risk smelling of p*** everywhere I go.”

    https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/uk-world-news/british-man-sues-nhs-after-24318233

  5. Neo:

    Representing admitted crazy people is a tough game. As a young lawyer, I worked at the top med mal defense firm in the state. The lead lawyer in the med mal department sued the State of Nebraska which operates the Nebraska Regional Center in Norfolk. That’s a mental hospital.

    The plaintiff was hospitalized in Norfolk and tried to escape by walking back to Omaha. He got hit by a car and died. The case got kicked before trial.

    In a case I defended, a crazy person jumped out a hospital window. The plaintiff’s lawyer kept saying his client “was pushed or jumped.” Another loser.

    The above being said, nothing like a bunch of med mal verdicts to crush this industry.

  6. Neo:

    Representing admitted crazy people is a tough game. As a young lawyer, I worked at the top med mal defense firm in the state. The lead lawyer in the med mal department sued the State of Nebraska which operates the Nebraska Regional Center in Norfolk. That’s a mental hospital.

    The plaintiff was hospitalized in Norfolk and tried to escape by walking back to Omaha. He got hit by a car and died. The case got kicked before trial.

    In a case I defended, a crazy person jumped out a hospital window. The plaintiff’s lawyer kept saying his client “was pushed or jumped.” Another loser.

    The above being said, nothing like a bunch of big dollar med mal verdicts to crush this industry.

  7. Strikes me that, working on young folks, nothing signed before the age of majority is a valid contract. So if a sixteen year old signs a waiver excusing the doc from bad stuff happening after the surgery…the waiver isn’t valid. The doc would likely have something signed by the parents. Wonder how their legal standing would be.

  8. Anyone who wonders about the mental health of some transgenders should have a look at an article published by New York magazine last December titled “My Penis, Myself,” about the author’s phalloplasty. Photo in tighty whiteys included at the link. Trigger warning: you may learn more about the process of constructing a male organ out of a woman’s skin and muscle than you really want to know. It is, however, a deep dive into the weirdness as well as the narcissism that drives so many transgender people. The author is proud, among other things, of the fact that s/he kept xer vagina alongside the phalloplasty.

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/gabriel-mac-essay.html

    I wonder whether Gabriel Mac will be as happy 5 years from now as s/he claims to be now. I also wonder what the MDs among Neo’s readers make of GM’s account.

    OTOH, I should also ask what Cornhead and other lawyers make of this story.

  9. I can sympathize for his incontinence and ongoing pain. As for his infertility, “Major mental disorders traditionally thought to be distinct share certain genetic glitches, according to a new study.”
    https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/common-genetic-factors-found-5-mental-disorders

    Had the NHS Clinic “taken account” of his mental issues and refused future ‘treatment’, he’d probably have sued for that.

    Since the activist push for normalization of transgenderism is about societal approval to achieve societal dissolution, minor issues like physical health and life altering considerations for the cannon fodder are not of concern.

  10. I think this is the link that Kate mentioned above. I suppose it could be “fake news” but although it is graphic I urge folks to read it so they can ask pertinent questions when the issue comes up in everyday conversation.
    I think a LOT of people have no idea or, like me, prefer to avert eyes.

    “Here is an example of someone who went though the change from male to female.
    You probably know but the “neo vagina” needs to be regularly dildo’ed in order to keep it open.
    Otherwise, it will heal over like your ear lobe if you stop wearing earrings.
    https://twitter.com/tullipr/status/1536422533230206976?s=21&t=z607_BSyNucfq83suWVj4A

    This is also evidence of how far along the “moonbats” have gone. I want to serve on the jury if a parent is charged with taking action after something like this is done to their child ….
    “SB107 will make California a sanctuary state for experimental medicine on minors. It will permit a parent to violate a custody agreement in any other state and have refuge in California, regardless of whether that state has a ban on gender interventions for minors. It will permit children, without parents or guardians, to come to California become wards of our state and receive irreversible gender intervention without any parental consent.”

  11. The Heavens Gate UFO castration cult was ahead of their times. Nowadays they’d be an acclaimed division of NASA.

  12. The knife can’t fix what’s wrong in the head, unless you are “lucky” enough to be afflicted with an operable brain tumor. But that’s a different kind of top surgery.

  13. My wife just passed from metastatic breast cancer which I believe was a result of her undergoing fertility treatments which drastically shut down her hormonal system to induce a pregnancy after three tries. I asked around at her memorial and it’s not too far fetched to relate fertility treatments to breast cancer.

    Now jump to this radical new therapy to turn boys into girls and vice versa, and I predict horrible outcomes for these sad souls turning their bodies upside down for an affectation, IMO.

  14. Om, funnily enough, since you mention it, I’ve been struggling with a brain tumor they found this last year. Because what else is there to do these days?

    It’s probably not “cancer” and it’s hopefully under control. But, yes, according to my docs, who gave me excellent and prompt treatment, hormones are an issue with brain tumors.

  15. JAW3, I am so sorry for your loss.

    I have no doubt you are right about the hormones. But, it’s cold comfort.

    May she rest in peace

  16. Esther:

    It is good that your treatment was not delayed and that the tumor is under control. I’ve known two people who’ve had brain cancers. One is still cured, (+15 years now) but the other was not so fortunate, He went to be with the Lord about 20 years ago.

    JAW3, I too am saddened by the death of your wife and your sorrow.

  17. Those people that push TG treatment / surgery for kids are real sickos; they are perverts.
    They are in the same club as who find bestiality or pedophilia acceptable.

    I do not understand why every state does not make it illegal to give anybody under the age of 18 any sort of TG treatment or surgery. I believe many nations in Europe have adopted this policy.

    How such an incredibly small minority of “people” can and do dictate to the majority how things will be , just shows how easy (and scary) it is to manipulate and set policy for the vast majority of people.

  18. A fairly simple and thorough damper on these surgeries would be to put the surgeon, the anaesthesiologist, and the endocrinologist in prison where they belong. As for the social workers, clinical psychologists, and psychiatrists in this trade, a loss of their professional license would be apposite.

  19. The Heavens Gate UFO castration cult was ahead of their times.

    A few were castrated in 1995, a couple of years before their mass suicide. They had to go to Mexico for the surgery because they could not find an American doctor willing to perform it. The medical profession used to be better than they are today.

  20. Compare and contrast.
    A most dishonest, perverse and perverted administration:
    “Rachel Levine says pediatricians all agree on importance of ‘gender-affirming care’ for children”—
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rachel-levine-no-argument-pediatricians-gender-care-adolescents
    “Pediatricians sue Biden over transgender mandate for children”—
    https://www.mystateline.com/news/politics/pediatricians-sue-biden-over-transgender-mandate-for-children/
    Plus:
    “Pediatricians say no to Biden gender transition mandate”—
    https://adflegal.org/press-release/pediatricians-say-no-biden-gender-transition-mandate
    – – – – – – – – – –
    …And if there was any doubt before this—there shouldn’t have been, but if there was—then the cat’s out of the bag. “Biden”‘s policy of destruction should be clear to any and everyone who’s sentient:
    “Watch: Biden Climate Advisor Seems Happy About American Job Losses”—
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/watch-biden-climate-advisor-seems-happy-about-american-job-losses

  21. “No one ever told me that the base area of your penis is left. It can’t be removed. It means you have a stump inside which twitches.”

    Hedwig and the Angry Inch

  22. It appears that Biden would have been impeached already if he had selected a VP candidate who was even 20% capable of being president. I guess he learned that lesson from Obama.

    Maybe we should amend the constitution to elect (or to at least nominate) the president and VP separately. No truly logical reason for the presidential nominee to make that selection outside of the party voters’ specific preferences. The VP does not have to exist as the president’s lap dog; merely waiting in the wings as a stand-in when required, plus preside over the Senate, is the real core job.

    Alternatively, the presidential nominee could select 3 or 4 VP candidates at the party convention for the party members to down select among them. Semi ranked voting?

  23. From the Pixels of Record – a similar story going the reverse direction.

    https://notthebee.com/article/watch-the-heart-wrenching-testimony-of-a-girl-who-regrets-being-given-gender-affirming-care-as-a-teenager

    @ Richard Aubrey > “So if a sixteen year old signs a waiver excusing the doc from bad stuff happening after the surgery…the waiver isn’t valid.”

    I suppose the states which allow this have enacted some kind of legal immunity, same as Biden Inc. is doing for minor girls (can we still call them “girls”?) that are given abortions without their parents’ knowledge.

    https://thefederalist.com/2022/06/29/white-house-encourages-girls-15-or-younger-to-abort-without-their-parents-consent/

    The White House just promoted a website that guides girls under 15 to getting an abortion without their parents’ knowledge or consent.

    On June 25, the day after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, the White House advertised an online Health and Human Services flier containing a link to AbortionFinder.org, a network that connects women wanting abortions to local facilities that will perform them and provides information on the legality of abortion in their state.

    AbortionFinder.org also includes a link to the If/When/How Judicial Bypass (JB) Helpline, which is designed to help minors bypass their parents or guardians to obtain an abortion.
    …After the Dobbs decision, the Department of Health and Human Services immediately published a website, “ReproductiveRights.gov,” for the express purpose of providing “accurate and up-to-date information about access to and coverage of reproductive health care and resources.”

    This page — which is itself a misnomer since abortion is neither health care nor a right — though branding itself as full-range coverage of the choices available to women, made no reference at all to a woman’s choice to keep her baby and instead pandered almost entirely to abortion-related services.

    https://thefederalist.com/2022/06/30/the-white-house-doesnt-care-if-parents-know-their-daughters-are-victims-of-sex-crimes/

    The Biden administration conveniently turned a blind eye to the statutory rape laws of all 50 states when it directed women to AbortionFinder.org, a network that connects women, including young girls, with abortion centers and encourages them to abort their babies without their parent’s knowledge.

    Any pregnant girl under the age of 16 is more than likely pregnant as a result of a sexual abuse. Thirty-four states set the age of consent at 16; the rest of the states hold the age of consent at 17 (six states) or 18 (11 states). Intercourse with a minor under the age of consent is automatically considered statutory rape in some states, while other states consider the age of the perpetrator or the age difference between the perpetrator and the victim.

    But the Biden administration doesn’t care that pregnant minors have likely been abused nor does it care if parents know their daughters are the victims of sex crimes. Instead, the White House and the Department of Health and Human Services are promoting a website to girls that guides them to hide their pregnancies, and subsequently their abuse, from their parents.

    On June 25, the White House and HHS advertised Abortion Finder in a flier about knowing women’s reproductive “rights.” Abortion Finder’s search engine finds women abortion facilities near them after only three required inputs—their location, date of last period, and age. The age options to select range from “18 or older,” “17,” “16,” to “15 or younger.”

    Through Abortion Finder, the White House promoted not only abortion services but that girls conceal their pregnancies from their parents. The website links to a helpline for a judicial bypass which helps minors undergo abortion procedures without their parents’ consent or even knowledge.

    Guiding girls to a means of concealing their pregnancies and abortions from their parents not only isolates young girls emotionally, but it cuts them off from their support system and from those who are best suited to notice evidence of a crime and provide them care they need.

    In preventing parents from protecting their children, the White House is saying it doesn’t matter who impregnated someone’s 14-year-old daughter as long as the girl has an abortion facility she can go to without her family having to know.

    The Biden administration’s endorsement of a website that encourages girls to conceal potential sexual abuse from their parents is an active condonation of a crime. A parent’s first role is to protect his or her child, and not only is the White House hamstringing a parent’s protection, it is promoting the covering up of a felony.

    Girls who are too young to legally consent to sex should not in any way be given a choice to end their babies’ lives. Further, sexually exploited girls are not a pawn to be used by pro-abortion politicians in their war on babies and families.

    Is there any doubt now that the Democrat Party is evil incarnate?
    At least we can start taking notes for the next session of the Supreme Court.

    AND
    Stand with the Lobster Lord.
    https://notthebee.com/article/breaking-jordan-peterson-suspended-from-twitter-for-misgendering-elliot-page

    “Remember when pride was a sin? And Ellen Page just had her breasts removed by a criminal physician.”

    Everything in that tweet is objectively true.

    Ellen Page is a woman who just had her breasts removed by a licensed physician who mutilated her body for money in an effort to appease a mental illness driven by what activists endearingly call “pride.”

    And Jordan Peterson is even a qualified clinical psychologist who fundamentally understands mental disorders, which the Left says you have to be in order to speak on the topic!

    He was still censored for speaking the truth because the truth is now hateful.

    If you recall, JP was one of the first people warning us about the trans madness several years ago, and how compelled speech and subjective feelings would destroy our culture and lead to catastrophic death and suffering!

    Dave Rubin says JP isn’t going to delete the tweet because he dang well shouldn’t, and noted Twitter’s throttling practices.

  24. By Libertarian justice it was all voluntary participation in sexual conduct by people and so the government should keep its nose out of this tent.

    And since it was all voluntary and by private individuals (not government officials), we can’t compare the doctors to Nazi and Japanese war criminals, or to the Tuskegee experiment.

    Bottom surgery on semi-willing participants is no different than boob jobs on women who feel society undervalues A cups.

    No where in the world remains which to flee

  25. Surgery does not cure mental illness.

    Everyone is a mix of hard (male) traits and soft (female) traits. “Normal” individuals learn to use what they have. The mental cases are unhappy and latch onto a fantasy. With or without surgery, hormone therapy and support, trannie suicide rate is horrific. High heels don’t help mental illness either.

    Many children seem to require time to grow into their adult identity. Performing irreversible surgery or chemical therapy on children is abuse, and/or malpractice worthy of jail time. Most children will “grow out of it” and will not appreciate the surgical or chemical mutilation. Those who have persistent gender issues will still need therapy and support. Mutilation will not help.

    Mutilation for profit deserves prison time.

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