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  1. The start of WW3? Iran attacks Israel with drones. I don’t trust Obama/Biden to do anything to help the situation.

  2. The Arab/Muslim culture is a shame-honor one and that is very different from our own post enlightenment one. They will kill their own children to get revenge for an insult to their honor.

  3. This strategy, of emphasizing Palestinian suffering to discredit Israel globally, has been tried for 50 years (since the 1973 war), and it hasn’t worked, if by “worked” we mean produced concrete benefits for the Palestinians. So I’m not sure it counts as a strategy.

    The North Vietnamese strategy was very different: they didn’t succeed by rousing world opinion–which has almost zero effect on American public discourse–but by producing American war weariness, so that the Americans gave up and went home. That won’t work for the Palestinians, because the Israelis have no place to go.

  4. y81:

    The Hamas strategy has been highly successful in achieving Hama’ goal, which is not to help the Palestinian people but rather to turn the world against Israel and for Hamas to get plenty of money and stay in power.

    If the world was on Israel’s side, Hamas would have been finished many years ago.

    The emphasis of the North Vietnamese was somewhat different but quite similar, actually. They didn’t mind a very high death count on their side, which they knew would gain them sympathy both in the US – leading to war weariness and quitting – and around the world. Americans did indeed care about world opinion, which became increasingly anti American.

  5. Years before al queda hamas used suicide bombers on civilian targets starting with dizengoff square in tel aviv.

    This was the scenario depicted in the siege three years before september 11th

  6. The NVA strategy was to take over the RVN through a fake insurgency. That strategy ended with Tet. They then retooled into a Soviet style tank army. The US used the reduced insurgency as evidence that Vietnamzation was working and drew down US ground forces. Then the NVA launched a conventional Soviet style tank army invasion that capture half the country and was stopped by US air power. After Nixon and Kissinger made a “peace” deal that let the North keep half the South, the NVA in violation of the deal built up their invasion force and then invaded. That is when we quit.

  7. I believe it was the House and Senate Democrats who reneged their commitment to support the RVN with weapons and cash, thus creating a mass scramble of the South Vietnamese to save themselves, often as “boat people”, from the North Vietnamese butchers. You do not want the US as a sometimes supportive entity ever since; can’t count on us. The scene of Vietnamese desperately hanging onto a US Army helo lifting off our embassy is burned into my memory. They had all worked for the USA, and this was our thanks-leave them to the brutal North.

  8. After the massacre of October 7th, I assumed that Hezbollah and other Iranian proxies would also attack. I also assumed that the October 7th slaughter was directed by Iran, as part of a larger strategy. Despite today’s wave of drone attacks against Israel, it now looks as if I was wrong.

    I now think that there’s a good chance that the IDF will thoroughly defeat Hamas, but will be left with the seemingly insoluble problem of the so-called Palestinian population, which survives on UN-funded tribal bloodlust disguised as religion. In the long run, I’m still pessimistic about Israel’s future, but I console myself with my poor record of prediction. In the Middle East, we have not just the fog of war, but also the fog of peace. When so much is hidden, conspiracy theories flourish, and rational analyses become an illusion.

  9. The Hamas strategy has been highly successful in achieving Hama’ goal, which is not to help the Palestinian people but rather to turn the world against Israel and for Hamas to get plenty of money and stay in power.
    ==
    Only if the goal of the Hamas boss was to see his family wiped out.

  10. I’m with neo on this one. Hamas doesn’t have everything figured from now to the river to the sea, but they aren’t going off half-crazed and half-cocked either.

    They are paying a high price, they might even lose. It is a bold move, but it is paying off in a lot of ways. They are exploiting it well, and if one takes the long view, as a follower of Mohammed does, it’s worth trying.

    Keep in mind the larger context that Israel was getting cozy with the Saudis. Younger Arabs aren’t so much onboard with the Palestinian blood feud against Israel.

    Something needed to be done and Hamas did it.

    I see the Vietnam War Tet analogy which y81 and Chases Eagles mention.

  11. Chases Eagles:

    Nixon was elected in 1968 on a pledge of “Vietnamization” of the war and slow but steady US withdrawal. The reason the NVA violated the “peace” deal and invaded was that they knew the US was just about out of there and without more help the South Vietnamese could no longer hold out. I wrote about the funds cutoff here as well as here.

  12. Hamas has a strategy. When possible take control and subjugate the non-Muslims. It’s a simple strategy but Muslims been using it for fourteen hundred years. You’d think we’d have caught on by now but western concepts of “nice” have made us stupid. The strategy Hamas has? Who lived in the Muslim world before Islam. Only the PR campaign changes. You’d think we’d wup by now

  13. Erdogan wants Greece back. Al Qaeda and other groups want Spain
    They plead about minority rights until. They’re in the ruling majority then there aren’t any. No I don’t hate Muslims. Look what ISIS did to Iraqis who just wanted a beer or watch a soccer game. Look how they pick their targets like the soccer stadium and the Bataclan nightclub in Paris a few years ago. I know why they do and when they doi it. But listen to the FBI if want to keep losing nicely

  14. Hamas may not have a strategy – but Iran does…

    I love and respect you all on this blog – but I am EXTREMELY WARY of click-bait-sound-bite-ADHD Westerners assuring themselves that the Arabs do not have a long-term plan…

    In fact the Muslim ummah has been working methodically to further their goal of Jihad on all fronts – while Israelis and other Westerners willfully, naively misinterpreted Muslim actions and repeatedly stated intentions.

    The Arabs (like the Soviets and Chinese) have repeatedly demonstrated their ability to play a longer game than the West. In some sense this can be seen as a shortcoming of the democratic system.

    The West has been saved from these plans by its own virtues – and by other shortcomings of those cultures – and sometimes by dumb luck (AKA Divine Providence).

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  16. No amount of money was going to save the RVN. They needed the B-52. During the North’s Spring offensive, US air power including the B-52 poured back in theater (the first reinforcements arrived from Korea the day after the invasion started) and eventually bombed the North into a ceasefire. Without that, the RVN probably would have fallen in spring of 1972 as the North intended.

    Along as we were willing to unleash the B-52, the North could not prevail.

  17. probably hence negropontes jibe to kissinger, that sent him thessalonica, for pointing out the flaw in the peace treaty,

  18. Michael did not shut himself up in the halls of literature but was an activist for human rights. Together with his wife Rachel, they founded a foundation that awards prizes to prominent grassroots figures on social issues, outstanding activists who go unnoticed by the media. He served as president of the Association for Civil Rights in Israel.

    The Haifa Auditorium screened the premiere of my film “Murder for Life,” which presented Amos Burns’ false conviction for the murder of soldier Rachel Heller, which was overturned in a retrial 28 years later. Also in the audience was Sammy Michael, who at the end of the screening spontaneously went on stage and asked Burns for forgiveness. He felt that, like all the Jewish people, he had wronged them, and was sure that Burns was the murderer.

    Sammy, the folk poet, felt that it was here that he had missed something, and contrary to his way he went all these years with the current that convicted Burns without diving deep into the event. It takes extraordinary courage to admit a mistake that no Israeli writer has dared to admit. Burns, who was a fan of Sami Michael, burst into liberating tears, telling me later that Sami Michael’s words were more important to him than the judges’ decision.

    “A palm from the Tigris that will not surrender to any wind”: This is how I will remember Sami Michael

  19. Hamas may not have a strategy – but Iran does…?

    For decades, Iran’s slogan of the ‘death to America’ only war in the air.

    We witnessed the Iranian drone and saw photos that depict the same scenes as those shown by China Doron on social media. Iran did the same but looks no enormous explosions, no smokes and no fires……. just compare that with 1991 Baghdad

    https://www.gainesville.com/gcdn/authoring/2003/03/22/NTGS/ghows-LK-f308ed32-3aa0-4f85-9733-2810ab493537-cf973ffe.jpeg?width=512&height=328&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp

    or in 20 March 2003

    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/12384/production/_90282647_f727b42f-3562-4c72-b9f1-e32b401c8501.jpg.webp

    But 36 years after the Islamic revolution, “Death to America!” has lost much of its potency inside the country, reduced to a rote phrase of state propaganda which few Iranians take seriously.

    Iran’s Ayatollah clarifies that ‘death to America’ slogan refers to policies

  20. Sam has the sads because Iranian Shaheed ( aka shitty) drones work best and only against targets that have no organized defenses not even eye ball guided machine guns. So they cheifly serve as explosive pinatas. The cruise missiles and balistic missiles are much more of a threat but again not against a prepared adversary.

    Sammy, your Persian pals need a taste of a competent attack. Like their on their embassy only bigger. Start whining.

  21. The Arabs (like the Soviets and Chinese) have repeatedly demonstrated their ability to play a longer game than the West. In some sense this can be seen as a shortcoming of the democratic system.
    ==
    How’s that working out for them?

  22. Yep, tribal identity based culture is the route to great civilzation. (sarc x 11)

    Yep, they are patient, patiently falling further and further behind every other culture.

  23. “Haaretz” is Israel’s most prominent left-wing newspaper. Ten days ago, they published a long article on Hamas’s strategy to conquer and occupy Israel. Hamas’s plans included the execution of Israelis at a grand scale, the enslavement of those who could provide useful technical skills, and the expulsion of innocents like children. Despite this, the article is very sympathetic to Gazans. Such is the Left, even in Israel.

    For anyone interested in learning of Hamas’s strategy, I strongly recommend the article. It’s behind a paywall, so you’ll need to use one of the sites that lets you look behind a subscription barrier. Those who take a strict view of copyright protection will need to restrain themselves.

    Here’s a link to the article:

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-05/ty-article-magazine/.highlight/hamas-actually-believed-it-would-conquer-israel-and-divided-it-into-cantons/0000018e-ab4a-dc42-a3de-abfad6fe0000

  24. Despite this, the article is very sympathetic to Gazans. Such is the Left, even in Israel.
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    You can only be sympathetic if you do not attribute any agency to your pets.

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