They’re aiming to provoke another J6, only worse; plus some historical precedents
J6 was simply a tremendous success for the left, in terms of both propaganda and golden opportunities for punitive lawfare against the right. Whether the demonstration/riot on J6 was serendipitous for the left, or whether it was encouraged or even orchestrated by the left through entrapment, they certainly took full advantage of it.
It seems pretty obvious to me that the left would like nothing better than another such incident, and one that features even more anger and violence from the right – and hopefully, firearms. That would give the left the license to really ratchet up both the propaganda and the anti-right vengeance.
The Reichstag Fire got the Nazis to the Enabling Act in short order, for example (translation of the name of the Act was, “Law to Remedy the Distress of People and Reich”). The timeline is of interest, as well: Hitler was appointed Chancellor in January of 1933, the fire was on February 27 of the same year, and the Enabling Act – essentially giving all power to Hitler and abolishing the Reichstag – was signed by March 23, 1933. In between, there was something called the Reichstag Fire Decree, which was issued just a day after the fire itself, when von Hindenburg was still at least nominally in charge:
The decree nullified many of the key civil liberties of German citizens. With Nazis in powerful positions in the German government, the decree was used as the legal basis for the imprisonment of anyone considered to be opponents of the Nazis, and to suppress publications not considered “friendly” to the Nazi cause. The decree is considered by historians as one of the key steps in the establishment of a one-party Nazi state in Germany.
Indeed. And it would be nice if more people in the US knew this history. I can pretty much assure you that many of those who capitalized on the J6 events are aware of the post-fire events in Germany in the 1930s.
And so at this point I fear a backlash of a more violent type from the right. What do I think should happen instead? I’m for a general strike, and have been for quite some time.
One of several ways in which I think that Trump’s judgment failed after the blow of the 2020 election outcome was that he encouraged the J6 rally and the march on the Capitol. No, I don’t think he was fomenting a riot or an insurrection rather than a peaceful demonstration. But he seemed unaware of the danger, unaware of the trap, and unaware of history. He played into the hands of the left – and they have made the most of that hand.
[NOTE: By the way, the Reichstag Fire analogy was obvious from the start as soon as J6 occurred. My first post making the analogy was this one on January 7, 2021, and I was hardly alone. A quote:
Some on the right are saying that the left will be using this like the Nazis used the Reichstag fire. If they mean “to stoke hatred against the right as well as to repress it further,” then I agree.
I made the Reichstag Fire analogy over and over when discussing J6, and it still seems appropriate.]
so what should he have done, accept the clear lack of transparency, indicia of fraud, specially of four years of interference small and large, the danchenko dossier the muller report, the impeachment over an inquiry into ukraine, the circumstancial evidence at the time, of us involvement in the biological outbreak, that killed 7-10 million people,
miguel cervantes:
Once the election was over, legal challenges made sense. They were not going to work, but J6 was most definitely not going to work and also gave the left golden opportunities, which they have exploited.
Trump was outwitted, and then he played into their hands. But I think that the deep state and the Gramscian march were both so powerful and so well advanced by the time he came to office that there was little he could have done to change things, although I don’t think he was aware of how deeply entrenched the problems were. Now we all know.
Neo,
Should Trump called for a general strike on January 6th, 2021? Should he call for one today?
You made a great deal in the previous post about how various GOP members of Congress have condemned these political indictments, but I am more interested in what they have actually done to counter them rather than what they have said about it. Seriously, where is the House resolution condemning any of these indictments? Shouldn’t that have been the minimum effort made rather than jawboning on FoxNews?
Yancy Ward:
Did you read my whole post about the GOP reaction? I discuss the futility of just talking, and discuss what action I think they should take.
Plus, talking about it and passing a resolution condemning it are hardly mutually exclusive. They could certainly do both. But neither really changes much of anything. More is definitely required.
its the very least they can do, he was a fool to believe the system works for anybody but progressives, mcconnell, allows the worst nominees like mayorkas, austin, et al, trump couldn’t even hold whitaker in place for six months, because every agency went after him, the cdc was incapable of ascertaining the origin of the virus, because the dems had put in their own drone, a relative of rod rosenstein, if memory serves
I sometimes wonder what would have happened if January 6th never occurred. Would there have been more sympathy towards Trump and his supporters among middle of the road people? Or not? We’ll never know.
But I can fully agree with the notion that January 6th was a great victory for the Left and a massive defeat for Conservatives. It granted the Left a position of moral superiority, however debatable. It emboldened the current regime in its efforts to demonize, demoralize, and silence people on the Right. And it continues to pay dividends for the Left. The endless lawfare January 6th helped fuel provides a distraction for all the failings of the current regime as well as its own massive corrpution.
I only hope that conservatives learn from all this.
So, why haven’t they done anything other than talk?
well we saw what they did in michigan, if there wasn’t a false flag, they would conjure one up
imagine if they actually spent some time, handling real threats to the nation, d’antonio the ringmaster in lansing, was then promoted to dc
Yancey Ward:
Time will tell. If they just talk, I think it will be because too many GOP members of Congress don’t want to ally themselves with Trump. I don’t know the exact numbers of those who would like to do more and those who would not. It’s early yet, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t go any further than talk.
The lawfare part of my earlier post isn’t up to the members of Congress. Hopefully, others on the right might take up that particular approach.
heck what did the gope do for bob mcdonnell, who still hasn’t learned anything from what I can see, they ultimately rallied at the supreme court 10 years later,
The J6 demonstration was at least partially instituted by the left. I assume you have seen the Tucker Carlson interview with the former Capitol police chief. He was begging for increased support from anyone and it was denied over and over.
Trump’s failure, and I blame Kushner more as he was running the campaign, was to anticipate the fraud and try to stop it in early 2020.Pennsylvania, for example, made changes in voting law that were illegal. Some limits on mail-in ballots could have been proposed. The Covid panic made all the rules invalid.
I agree wholeheartedly, Neo. J6 was a ‘mini’ Reichstag Fire. However much of it was spontaneous and sincere and however much was orchestrated by government provocateurs (and we’ll likely never know the ratio to any degree of certainty), the establishment and the left has exploited it to the fullest.
The laundry list of Trump indictments serves the establishment in dozens of ways; the most frightening and overarching being: it provides a foundation to provoke violence from the right. I have no doubt the FBI has heavily infiltrated many populist conservative, alt right and MAGA groups and is working overtime to agitate their members to a fevered pitch.
The spark? A Trump conviction (which at this point is highly likely in at least one of these show trials). I expect a response similar to J6, but with guns, with casualties…and heavily incited by undercover agents. Our Reichstag Fire.
And then?
I agree that the left would like to see some violent reactions to their lawfare activities. The injustice meted out to Jan 6 protestors is an example.
The correct reaction is to use legal remedies (Mark Meadows just did), strictly peaceful protests, legal slowdowns or strikes, and speaking out on forums about the injustices. There are many ways to demonstrate disgust and anger without using violence. Violence may eventually happen, but we should exhaust all reasonable remedies first.
What’s remarkable is that this particular Reichstag Fire didn’t burn. The riot was, for once, mostly peaceful. The only deaths were caused by police action (Babbitt and Boyland). There’s a strong suspicion that most of the violence on the part of the crowd was encouraged or even perpetrated by undercover state actors. And yet the Democrats are going on as if “January 6” was a bonafide atrocity.
In the “gunnie blogosphere” no one is talking about going to ANY protest like J6. Anyone who does is an idiot. We still have people from J6 in jail.
the reichstag fire, is a old chestnut, but the trust is more akin to what is going on,
http://www.centerforintelligencestudies.org/the-trust.html
Given the high likelihood and undisclosed number of Feds agitating within the J6 crowds and even leading the incursion into the Capitol…why would there need to be anything else but another “false flag?”
They can simply gin up another “Bernie Bro” with better aim…or something. Hell just get Mad Maxine with a bullhorn and let her give another “They ain’t welcome here” styled speech… There’s no need for a Mad MAGA overreaction.
I can’t escape this nagging feeling that we (the right) are being played.
The left has had seven years (since Trump’s surprise victory) to scheme. It took them four to come up with J6. They ramped up the present lawfare only after the 2024 election season began. It’s as if there’s a well-thought-out timeline with an end in mind.
What will conservatives do if, as expected, DJT is the runaway GOP nominee? Will they go overboard as poll-watchers? (Happened in AZ when some showed up open-carrying outside polling places.) Will they get themselves arrested by acting out in a disorganized fashion (J6 all over again)?
Will the Democrat fraud be even more brazen and widespread than 2020, inviting actual armed resistance in places? And will that provide the excuse to impose martial law, or to nullify the 2024 election, assuming Trump wins?
What do we mean here by a general strike?
The very last thing that needs to happen is for someone to use a firearm at a political event if they are a conservative. I would suggest that if you think you need a firearm, don’t go, if there are shots fired let them be by people who are not conservatives and once more, if stuff like the BLM stuff is going on with lots of destruction, fire, and gunshots, don’t be there, stay the heck away and don’t be fodder for the lefties.
Now is the time to avoid violence and even if you are on the right side and your cause is correct you might not be able to have a fair trial. The last thing we need is some sort of an actual hot civil war because no matter who wins things will not work out for the winning leadership to bring about a peaceful conclusion, it would be a total nightmare. The breakage of the supply chain during Covid which was annoying would be nothing like the tragedy of a total broken supply chain which could likely see starvation of large portions of the population in a fairly short time.
I would much rather live in annoying times and continue to try to peacefully bring change than live in broken times. We need to support better candidates and learn how to play a long range game of communication with the middle who might be open to living in better times. Let the Dem leaders of broken cities and states lose to their own people who are fed up with their performance but at all costs avoid any kind of violent firearm reaction where we might win in the short run but never be able to heal the nation back together even like the current annoying mess we have today.
Don’t take your gun to town !
I agree with Neo’s comment at 3:38. One of Trump’s biggest deficits is that he’s not plugged into DC – type power players. When Bush faced an election issue, he reached out to James Baker, a world-class lawyer, Cabinet Secretary, and political fixer who knew people who knew how to handle the problem. Trump reached out to Giuliani, what’s-her-face, and Lin Wood. Later he brought some other law school types on board. He was facing a novel situation, and his judgment was erratic. His basic problem was simple: how do you quickly develop evidence sufficient to change enough votes — it’s nearly impossible, and we might never see the kind of admissions that would be compelling evidence until way down the road. Compare LBJ’s Senate primary election — 247 votes or so put him over, and it wasn’t until 50+ years later there was any proof that the votes were entirely fraudulent….
I too am wondering of what a ‘general’ strike would consist.
BTW, once the twin weapons of digital currency and our coming social credit system are fully implemented, there will be no need for imposing martial law in reaction to right-wing protests. Nor need for gulags. They’ll just freeze the financial assets of the ‘troublemakers’. No income, no credit or debit card use. ‘Outdated’ cash no longer accepted as ‘legal tender’. What better fate for the “deplorables” than forced homelessness and starvation? Of course, relief will be available at the FEMA reeducation camps…
Geoffrey Britain:
The left tried that freezing-assets thing in Canada and were forced to abandon it. In the end, they conceded to the demands of the truckers.
Erasmus:
This.
Neo – important point:
> Now we all know.
A lot of this is due to Trump moving the Overton Window.
To me it’s obvious they want reaction for their heavy hand so they use a iron fist.
The Jan 5 Bomb Plot was a ratchet that failed thought they took shot at making that a big deal.
Murdering Ashlii was another, though think that was a individual effort to start a real riot.
Just for argument say they do convict DJT, not hard in a Kangaroo Court, then a general strike might be the best course.
James Baker had warned against mall ballots in 2005, carter baker commission, since then, he has been lobbying for Iran, and the deep state in that order, there was nothing wrong with guiliani’s case, except they didn’t want to examine the evidence, they wanted this ruin, even if they didn’t get all the implications,
GOP leadership needs to understand that the Dems are at war with the Right and mean to destroy the GOP. They need to bring ALL Congressional work to a stand still so that Dems understand that they will fight back. Serious effort by the leadership may be the only way that another, much worse, J6 event, which the Left wants to provoke, is avoided.
i don’t think niedermeyer played by tim meadows, really wanted to be some kind of maga killer, but he was grossly unfit for a Capitol Constabulary, I’m sure AQ ISIS are all taking notes, about how keystone cops our defenses are,
What do we mean here by a general strike?
Irish democracy.
Last week there was the raid on an elderly obese man who had threated Biden. It resulted in the man’s death. This week there’s news of a Texas woman arrested for threatening a Democrat politician.
Maybe there will be a steady drumbeat of stories like this every week or month building up to something very big. There doesn’t have to be anything like J-6. There may be a plot by an extremist group somewhere to do something terrible. Or there may be another pandemic or an international crisis to justify a crackdown.
I don’t see mass protests or a general strike coming if — when — Trump is convicted. But somebody somewhere may be provoked to do something, and the Bidenites will exploit that to the hilt.
With the incompetent crazies running our government today, I don ‘t think a general strike or a revolution will be necessary. Just prepare for disaster. Keep your guns for defense.
Has anyone else read Lightning Fall?
I don’t even think, with this crowd running things, that an EMP or a nuke would be needed to set this off.
@neo, Geoffrey Britain:The left tried that freezing-assets thing in Canada and were forced to abandon it.
I think it’s worth spelling out what happened. Freezing the assets of troublemakers ran a huge risk to the connected, because if the public got the notion that they can’t trust the people who hold their assets, the public is going to start shoving all its money into its mattresses, and the big people need that money in their hands to do their business.
Imagine if Flyover Country started cashing in all their 401Ks because they didn’t trust they wouldn’t be confiscated, and what effect that would have on Vanguard and all the other big entities that manage those things. They can’t risk the frogs jumping out of the pot, so to speak.
@Erasmus, neo, IrishOtter49: general strike
Needs to be real and not fake, like the “day without immigrants”. The media tried to inflate that for them, but few of us noticed at the time or remember any of it now. The media is not going to be helpful for any general strike that tries to accomplish anything against the Left, of course…
A real strike is very costly to the strikers, especially among the conservative population since we tend to work and own businesses, many of us will be striking against ourselves so to speak. Changing where we put our money might do us less harm and be more likely to get their attention, but that would be slow and a general strike is pretty dramatic.
Geoffrey
Well, we country bumpkin ‘deplorables’ will survive. Plenty of the ‘King’s deer’ hereabouts. Not to mention delicious squirrels. And we know how to make things. And repair things. And grow things. And defend ourselves. No need to go to town. We’ll be letting the orcs come to us……..
To clarify my understanding of a needed General Strike if it gets bad enough that DJT and 2 dozen immediate supporters, and am positive they won’t stop there, that just as other countries have done everyone strikes. One problem will be the ones who did this 1-2 hundred years ago often gran the trains, ships, fed the people and not sure those who have jobs that everyone needs done will strike.
Maybe talking myself off this.
I’ll make one point in response to why Trump thought a J6 protest was a good idea:
He was operating under an assumption of normalcy. In fact, he always thought things were more normal than they were (as most of us did), and I believe he expected to be a normal (if superior) president. He didn’t expect the Russia collusion ambush Comey laid for him, for example.
BLM rioted like crazy, and those on the right figured both sides had the same rules and the right could do something milder and get away with it.
I don’t think it is going to happen the same way J6 happened…. Read Jon Ross Unintended Consequences. I think it will happen more like that.
RE: a General Strike – I seriously doubt there is sufficient public sentiment to support it. Whenever Congress wrangles over the budget and winds up “shutting the country down” the media goes apeshit over it with endless stories about starving and shoeless chldren, possible evictions over non-payment of rent and mortgages, “the worst crisis since the meteor killed the dinosaurs” etc. The media is still talking about the baby formula shortage from last year.
Too many people are not only “hand to mouth” thanks to the Democrats and Bidenomics, many are operating below that level. A General Strike would be nothing more than a Media Full Employment Act; I doubt there are enough electrons available for televisions to handle all the “look at this poor family” stories.
RE: 2024. There will not be a Republican elected to the presidency as long as there is a single Democrat in Washington drawing breath, especially if that Republican is Donald Trump. Whether it’s vote fraud, a pandemic, climate crisis, or abundance of sunshine, some mechanism will be employed to prevent it, aided and abetted by the media.
The only way there will ever be a Republican in the White House again is if several million armed and angry Americans march down Pennsylvania Avenue and do it forcibly, and the dinosaurs will return millenia before that happens.
The best we can hope for is Separation With Low Level Conflict – two countries, opposed to each other, on the North American Continent, in a constant state of minor border war (see Kurt Schlicter’s books for more details).
There just isn’t enough interest in America to keep it going; too many soccer games to drive Suzy to, too many episodes of American Idol to watch, and too much fear of “anything changing that might affect me.” We’re slow, fat, idle and complacent. Get used to it.