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Dershowitz on Letitia James and her Ahab-like pursuit of Trump — 48 Comments

1. Please note that the New York Bar examination was administered on at least three occasions between the time Letitita James received her law degree and the time she was admitted. From bar passage data I’ve seen from other states, the share of those admitted to the bar who require more than two cracks at the examination is in the single digits. She practiced for about ten years, working as a legal aid lawyer and public defender, then went into some other line of work. IOW, she was a bottom of the barrel lawyer. Her opponent in 2018 was a (black) BigLaw partner who had other things to do with his life than run for public office. The New York electorate preferred the old hack who hadn’t practiced in 19 years. The statewide electorate in New York is stupid and you should throw rocks at them.

2. Lee Zeldin, trailing badly in the polls (not that such can always be trusted) to Hochul, has promised to fire NYC’s disastrous Soros-funded DA should he be elected. James is every bit as disgraceful as Alvin Bragg and merits, if possible, the same treatment.

3. I do not understand why Dershowitz is a Democrat. Of what Democrat policies and actions does he approve? If we designate him A Democratic Saint and a reasoning highly regarded legal scholar both, is that not bizarre?
   Is that not the same as regarding Schlacht, the financial wunderkind and devoted servant of Hitler, as an equal?
   How can one hold nutty, socially destructive ideas and still be deemed a Saint by society?
   So I leave it: of which Democratic policies and positions does Dersh approve? If none, why does he call himself a Democrat?

4. Well schacht later worked as a broker for the saudis was a model for the doctor in our man in havana

5. Dershowitz states,

   “It’s gonna be a very hard case for her to prove because they have to prove deliberate, intentional, willful fraud, not just that he had a different opinion of the value of his properties and others.”

   Dershowitz simply can’t be that naive, he has to know full well that James doesn’t have to ‘prove’ anything. She simply has to have the right ‘judge’ and the right set of jurors. As is the case in all show trials. There’s not a law professor in the land who doesn’t know that’s how the game is played when political persecution is the motivation.

   “But when prosecutors bring a case, they have to be objective, he added.”

   Not naivete, not sarcasm but willful blindness for if Dershowitz was being honest, he’d state the all too obvious truth forthrightly.

   “It can’t be somebody who thinks that this will help their reelection campaign, and if she didn’t bring the case, she would have been unelectable the second time around,” said Dershowitz.”

   Come on… Man! It’s New York. Of course it will help her reelection campaign. And her future political ambitions. She’s the “courageous black woman” seeking to bring down the three who most epitomize white privilege. One of whom is none other than the evil Trump. “I mean, that’s a story-book, man,”

6. Lee Zeldin, trailing badly in the polls

   Two recent polls. Trailing badly in one, not the other.

7. She’s betting on her bonified hatred of Trump getting her reelected. A lot of incumbant Dems feel (or hope at least) that any attempt to “get Trump”, no matter how futile, ridiculous, and doomed to failure it may be, will please their base and will get them out in November. And who knows, they may be right. Trump hatred has been the fuel of the Democrat party for 6 years. Is it exhaustible?

8. She’s betting on her bonified hatred of Trump getting her reelected.

   Bona Fide. “Bonified” hatred is Don Lemon’s.

9. Any judge who isn’t partisan would toss this case in a micro-second. The supposed injured parties are the banks. Do they not do due diligence when lending money? If the Trump Organization had not paid back the loans, the banks might have a case. It’s my understanding that all the loans have been paid and are water under the bridge. There IS NO FRAUD!! Except for Letitia James. She’s a fraud

10. Of course it will help her reelection campaign. And her future political ambitions. She’s the “courageous black woman” seeking to bring down the three who most epitomize white privilege. One of whom is none other than the evil Trump. “I mean, that’s a story-book, man,”

    Sad, but true. The one Governor New York has had in forty years whose behavior was public spirited was David Patterson. His approval rating was 17% by the time he left office. Somehow New York bumps and grinds along with its stupid electorate and its crooked politicians, and remains one of the country’s more affluent states. Don’t get it myself and I’ve observed New Yorkers up close for decades. I was fifth generation in my home town.

11. Trump’s views of his property values are useful how? Banks don’t lend on the borrower’s say-so. They have their own assessment department or hire a third-party.

12. Art Deco: “The one Governor New York has had in forty years whose behavior was public spirited was David Patterson.”

    How about George Pataki? I’m not saying we have to agree with his positions.

13. “Don’t get it myself and I’ve observed New Yorkers up close for decades.”

    New York, like California, survives on geographic advantages and economic legacies decades and even centuries old. The result is a political class that embodies the canard “born on third base and thought they hit a triple.”

    Mike

14. “I do not understand why Dershowitz is a Democrat.”

    Dershowitz is 84. His political coming of age would have been pre-JFK. And I believed he’s lived pretty much his entire life in the northeast US.

    If he were even just 10 years younger, he’d probably walk away from the party but it’s hard to do something like that when you hear Death’s winged chariot hurrying near.

    Mike

15. A majority of Americans are now XX regardless of what sexual games they play. Black XX are the most desired by academia, of course, and those of you young enough will have the delight of having a black chosen by skin as your physician or surgeon regardless of skill and merit, just like you will be governed by a black major or governor. Will a “high yellow” be as good as a dark black? I offer Hochul as a lead example. You want it, you got it!

    The future is yours, baby! I will have moved on to the next life, which I look forward to every passing day as the USA sinks without any resistance.

16. MBunge: I seriously doubt being a Democrat will get you past St. Peter. More likely you will receive an eternal stay in HELL, and eternity is a very long time unless you love mingling with fools, Democrats, Satanists, mass murderers, Stalins, Hitlers and Maos.
    But even then, eternity is a very looong time!

17. How about George Pataki? I’m not saying we have to agree with his positions.

    See Jay Gallagher’s columns in the Albany Times-Union.

    The whole nexus – d’Amato, McGrath, Pataki – were men who viewed the rest of the world as marks. No clue why he of all people was able to establish a rapport with the New York electorate. Gave me the creeps.

18. “She’s a very nice person”

    No, she is not.
    It will be hard for Dershowitz to come to that conclusion because he wants it not to be true. I’m sure that if he has met her she was very polite to him but I wonder if that would still be the case were they to meet now.

19. If he were even just 10 years younger, he’d probably walk away from the party but it’s hard to do something like that when you hear Death’s winged chariot hurrying near.

    I don’t recall Althouse, Turley, Greenwald, Taibbi, or Bari Weiss giving any indication of re-affiliating as Republicans, nor would it improve public life if they did. Note, Turley is a senior faculty member with tenure (though it seems these days that tenure is surprisingly easy to revoke if the time comes). Dershowitz is still working at his own discretion. Althouse is retired. Greenwald, Taibbi, and Weiss have been able to pay the bills with freelance income.

    Now look at the dissenting Republicans. They’re pretty much on the patronage of liberal donors. David Frum and George Will are independently wealthy and cannot be bought. The rest of them are bought.

20. No, she is not.

    Nice people don’t execute vendettas with public money.

    Note, she’s a 63 year old childless spinster. There is hardly any other aspect to her than her public life.

21. Cicero,

    “I seriously doubt being a Democrat will get you past St. Peter. More likely you will receive an eternal stay in HELL, and eternity is a very long time”

    I suspect there is no physical place known as hell. Instead, there is a spiritual desert known as hell. That desert is occupied by all whose thoughts, feelings and actions are profoundly incompatible with God’s presence. But a just and loving God doesn’t have to condemn them to hell, rather they have condemned themselves to the ‘hell’ of eternal separation from the devine. Those on the left who know better (and despite his decrepitude I include Biden in that group), knowingly bear false witness against their fellow citizens.

    A Big Lie if ever there was one. Should they reap in the afterlife what they’ve sown, they’ll be entirely deserving of that harvest.

    I also believe that everyone who sincerely repents of their sins deserves a second chance, which is why I personally think it likely that we live multiple lives. If so, God gives us more than one chance and that place we call hell holds only those committed to evil.

22. I am thinking it’s about this November mostly.

23. An interesting historical example is the case of Samuel Insull. You’ll recognize any photo of him as the Monopolist character on the “Get Out of Jail Free” card in the game Monopoly.

    He started as personal secretary to Thomas Alva Edison and would up managing Edison’s central station businesses. When Edison’s Direct Current technology was made obsolete by Westinghouse’s Alternating Current system, Insull was out of a job.

    The City of Chicago hired Insull to run their small electric utility. He did so well that by 1929 he controlled 25% of all US generation through the use of highly leveraged holding companies. The stock market crash made those stocks worthless.

    FDR came after Insull by name during the 1932 campaign, promising to put him in prison. Insull went on a long Mediterranean cruse but was arrested by the FBI and did a perp walk in chains on landing in New York.

    At trial, the Chicago jury acquitted him of all charges. Hence the card.

    Same old playbook but with a ridiculous new player.

24. The “Monopolist(sic) character on the ‘Get Out of Jail Free’ card in the game of Monopoly®” is Mr. Pennybags and his likeness appears in various forms on Monopoly game media, not just on the Get Out of Jail Free card.

    By the way, it is not true that the founders of Atlantic City used a Monopoly game board to map out their city.

25. And yet another page from the same mud-strewn Democratic Party playbook?
    (And why not?)
    “NY DA launches probe into fraud allegations over Zeldin nomination: report;
    “Democratic Gov. Kathy Hochul’s campaign rips Republican Rep. Lee Zeldin over probe into allegedly photocopied signatures”—
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ny-da-launches-criminal-probe-republican-candidate-lee-zeldin-election-fraud-allegations-report

26. November criminals always get an out, protect obama crush everybody else serve their criminal minions

27. Her first conception was a fetus that self-aborted with an unforced selection. This time, she believes it’s a viable baby and not a “burden”. Time will tell if her democratic partners agree with her progress. #HerChoice, maybe.

28. meanwhile

    https://thefederalist.com/2022/09/22/federal-court-rejects-trumps-special-master-review-instead-trusting-fbi-completely/

29. Whitehall and Micha Elyi:

    Mr Pennybags is the image on the Get Out Of Jail Free card, true. But the image on the actual In Jail corner square on the board is definitely not Mr. Pennybags. Could that be Insull?

30. You recall that when Cyrus Vance was DA he hired a couple of top-notch NY lawyers to investigate Trump. They spent over a year trying to find a crime to pin on Trump and couldn’t find anything. Apparently, they forgot two simple questions. Do banks take the borrower’s word for the value of real estate when they make loans? Did trump default on any of the loans? The answer is no! James doesn’t have a case.

31. Property valuations fluctuate, ideally with conservative market processes, but often with liberal democratic fervor.

    Do banks take the borrower’s word for the value of real estate when they make loans?

    Banks, IRS, insurance, perhaps the press (for significant per chance human interest projects), and other interested parties. There should be multiple levels of scrutiny, mutual parsing and consensus.

32. Assume you are a Democrat voter, you have some moral decency, and you are not an idiot. You understand the basic facts of this case — 1. the loans were paid off, 2. the banks are not claiming to be victimized, and 3. the defendant is obviously being persecuted because of politics.

    Are you disgusted and appalled?

    Does such a creature actually exist in the wild?

33. yes they had a tantrum on social media, of course deutsche is like the mob bank in dark knight, muellers firm represented it, james comey who is going in for labeled fiction, ran interference for hsbc the other big laundry,, after they were caught laundering cartel and aq cash, who else represented them, that would be john gleasons firm, most recently touting his get hoffa memoir, where he worked with,,,drumroll andrew weissman, the sainted mueller took a 50 k honoraria from the citibank subsidiary banamex, who settled for a 100 million dollar fine, a year later,

34. Related?
    “Ex-Democrat Mayor Of 3rd Largest Blue County In Florida Endorses DeSantis: ‘I Will Not Remain Silent’ “—
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/ex-democrat-mayor-of-3rd-largest-blue-county-in-florida-endorses-desantis-i-will-not-remain-silent
    Key graf:
    ‘…This was not a difficult choice for me,” he continued. “This was not the proverbial lesser of two evils. Governor DeSantis has demonstrated himself beyond worthy of the humbling duties of this office. And he has done so with the level of dignity, purpose, and respect that is lost in the public sphere today. It may come as a shock to many of you, or at least many of my friends that as a Democratic elected officer in deep blue Palm Beach County, I’m endorsing Republican governor.”…’

    …But how many people like this are out there?…

35. jim naugles another good one, ex mayor of ft lauderdale, but they are few and far between,

36. stan:

    The problem with your question is that most Democrats are reading newspapers that don’t convey those facts, but instead present the case as one of a bona fide offense. So most Democrats are almost certainly unaware of the spurious nature of the charges.

    For those few who are aware, it is probably justified in their minds by the fact that if Trump is practically Hitler, you must bend some rules to defeat him.

    The exception who objects to the persecution of Trump is someone like Dershowitz – so yes, there are such people. But not many.

37. when you look upon it, it’s like the other neo, when saw the majestic horror that the matrix obscured,

    you can kill tens of thousands with your policies, and leticia will not touch a cuomo, even with a cattleprod,

38. “…bend some rules…”

    Or make new ones.

    After all…EVERYTHING is permitted, encouraged, mandated, REQUIRED…

    …to get THE JEW.

39. orange man, (I never got that impression, more like two much blonde coloring) is enough of a target, these caricatures out of chinatown, or sin city, they are beyond accountability,

    because as he famously said, ‘I am in the way’ you are the target, and yet we pretend Putin is the big bad, I have no illusions about the man, I know the zachista way, the filtration camps, but Xi is the hegemon, who seems to be collecting all the cards, the turtle was part of the previous set,

40. Does such a creature actually exist in the wild?

    In our social circle, I know of no partisan Democrat who offered the view that Christine Blasey Ford could not be taken seriously, and we know some bloody opinionated partisan Democrats. I’ve never seen such a view offered by a partisan Democrat in any forum. This is not a judgment that takes a mess of research. Here is a woman making an accusation 36 years after the fact (or 33 years in some of her iterations), describing an incident that even in her telling could be misrepresented by shading certain details, and neither she nor the Democratic Party oppo research apparat, nor their auxilliaries in the media, can do one foundational thing: provide some evidence that she ever met the two men she accused. There were in Montgomery County, Maryland in 1982 about 40,000 youths born after 1962 and before 1969, so it’s not as if it’s a tight little circle of people. Not only was no evidence adduced, no circumstantial argument was adduced. Between Blasey, Judge, Kavanaugh, and their siblings, you don’t find any two attending the same school bar Judge and Kavanaugh themselves. Blasey lived six miles from one, eight miles from the other. No old Polaroids, no affidavits, no diary entries, nothing puts these three people in the same room on any occasion. She named one person in Kavanaugh’s circle she said she dated around that time. He was in 2018 a schoolteacher in Atlanta. He said through his attorney he had ‘no knowledge relevant to her claims’ and provided for the FBI an affidavit neither side thought worth leaking.

    Has no effect on their thinking at all.

41. Stoutcat and Micha,

    Hate to get drawn into a discussion over the proper name of a board game cartoon but I did start it! I’d never heard or read of the name “Mr. Moneybags” and I did make up the title of Mr. Monopolist.

    Whatever.

    Here’s his photo, sporting mustache and spats, coming out of lockup:

    http://justcriminals.info/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/samuel-insull-1024×710.jpg

    His case was big news about the time of the creation of the game.

    But the game of indicting one’s political opponents is not new. That was what I hoped would be my contribution.

42. Assume you are a Democrat voter, you have some moral decency, and you are not an idiot.

    “Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.” – Mark Twain

    Things that aren’t proved and aren’t true can become proven certainties in partisan minds, but I’m not sure if every actor in the process is convinced that they can put Trump in jail, or if they are just rallying the party base with more accusations. The assumption may be that somebody somewhere working on one angle or another will hit pay dirt, even if one’s own investigation doesn’t pan out. Still, even if one’s own efforts don’t put Trump behind bars, they do play a role in rallying the troops and uniting the party.

43. Art Deco:

    Dershowitz certainly questioned the truth of Christine Blasey Ford’s allegations, and he did it publicly. That said, the Dershowitzs are very few and far between. However, they exist (but barely). See p 21 of this poll. Five percent of registered Democrats believed Kavanaugh over Ford and 19% weren’t sure. Among Independents, 29% believed Kavanaugh over Ford and 23% weren’t sure (among Independents the men were much more likely to believe Kavanaugh than the Independent women were).

44. Dershowitz certainly questioned the truth of Christine Blasey Ford’s allegations, and he did it publicly.

    He’s an attorney who has done criminal defense work. He’s also been a known dissident these days. I’m talking about people who are on our Facebook friends list. These people aren’t enmeshed professionally in politics or the law.

    About that poll, since an endorsement of Ford’s accusations was simply unreasonable, it’s a severe indictment of much of the electorate.

45. Art Deco:

    Yes, the poll is an indictment of much of the electorate. The point I was making, however, is that 1 in 20 Democrats seem to have agreed with Dershowitz. A small number, but not zero.

46. “Obsessive quest” comes up in an article today. Very Moby Dick. That seems to happen with prosecutors. At some point a switch in their heads is clicked and desires become obsessions, so what may have been just a gimmick to get elected or reelected becomes a monomania. I wonder where James is on that spectrum right now.

    The idea of “lawfare” also came up. The case may fail, but it ties Trump up in paperwork and legal fees. That may not be a great problem for Trump, but for ordinary citizens the burdens can be crushing. Watching crime shows now, I’m less on the side of prosecutors and more on the side of the perps than I once was.

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