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  1. The January 6 infomercial is failing to change any minds. It may feed the paranoia of the left about the right and white people. I think it was intended to distract from the plight of the Democrat economy. It is also an indicator of the fear of Donald Trump.

  2. Mike K:

    What I mean is that it was never intended to change minds. It was intended to sharpen divisions and to further bond the Democrats and motivate Democrat voters for November 2022. I think it has helped that, from what I can see.

  3. I respectfully disagree with Mike K (4:38 pm) in that I don’t see the intent of the Jan 6th show trial as a “distract[ion] from the plight of the Democrat economy”, even if it has turned out to have principally functioned that way.

    I think the *intent* was to be an infomercial extravaganza that would dramatize, for all to see, how thoroughly treasonous and decrepit the right is. And of course, there’s the personal angle, the irresistible drive to impeach Trump a third time, hopefully to enact measures that will prevent him from running for president again, but also to indulge in yet another two-minutes hate aimed at the Emmanuel Goldstein of our time.

    What a g#dd#mn circus our national discourse has become.

    Addendum: and yes, to what neo wrote at 4:42 pm.

  4. Yes, J6 is another litmus test and ” intended to sharpen divisions and to further bond the Democrats and motivate Democrat voters for November 2022.”, the other litmus test being “a woman’s right to choose”. From what I’ve seen from the Shapiro (D for Gov) and Fetterman (D for Sen) campaigns in PA, that is what they are pushing in their ad buys. Oh, and also vague references to “compassion” and “green”.
    Anything about helping normies or citizens not located in Phila or Pittsburgh? Nah, who needs them. They think, perhaps correctly given the voter fraud that goes on in Philly, that all they need to win is to carry the vote in the two most populous cities in the state.

  5. “January 6th has acted – at least for some people I know – as a litmus test by which the left bonds internally, and which it simultaneously uses to exclude those who don’t agree with the leftist characterization of the events of that day as a dangerous “insurrection.” This seems so self-evident to them that anyone who doesn’t see it that way has gone over to the Dark Side. ”

    https://www.sparknotes.com/lit/1984/quotes/symbol/big-brother/

    During the Two Minutes Hate, which occurs daily as the citizens of Oceania express their anger and hatred for supposed enemies of the state, Winston has no choice but to join in even though he does not feel loyalty to the Party. He initially uses his hatred for Big Brother and the Party to fuel his act, but eventually, and in spite of himself, he briefly finds himself on the side of Big Brother. The fact that such a ritual can stimulate adoration for Big Brother even in a skeptic such as Winston shows how powerful the symbol of Big Brother truly is.

  6. A bit of light in the darkness is that the revolution appears to be eating itself before actually overthrowing the established order.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M33hfJCes48

    That’s a link to a Breaking Points segment on how liberal groups are tearing themselves apart over the sort of purity/right-thinking tests Neo and Weiss are referencing.

    And I’ll say again that assigning strategic thinking to the Jan. 6 hearing seriously overestimates the wisdom and maturity of the Democratic Party. There’s no plan here. Unifying and motivating the Democratic base may be the result but it’s not the intention. The Jan. 6 hearings really are the result of stupidly thinking the Capitol riot was an insurrection and being sure that Trump MUST have been behind it, just like Putin MUST have been behind Trump’s win in 2016.

    Mike

  7. yes but it’s a very poorly directed show, they have script writers for homeland, for 24, designated survivor, even the besotted fools behind white house down, the most expensive hagiography of obama, now daniel silva sort of bought this story, or that’s the pitch he made for his,

    this little pantomine is becoming very expensive someone should have the sense to cancel it long ago, of course catering to people who have contempt for every founding institution, who think the nation is illegitimate, is a very dangerous game,

  8. I didn’t make much effort to hide my politics, which is why, I suppose, I never got a coterie of friends who would bail on me if they eventually found out.

    What is hilarious is that some of those…sort of in between being a friend and acquaintance of circumstance (employment, civic organization, friends of wife, etc)…had no hesitation in asking for a hand when, metaphorically, some heavy lifting had to be done.

  9. To imagine that an enemy is stupid is to take a large step toward defeat.

    The Jan 6th kangaroo court has tactical and strategic goals.

    Deligitimizing even the possibility of a 2024 Trump candidacy. That is its primary goal.

    Legitimizing the unconstitutional and barbaric treatment of the imprisoned Jan. 6th protestors.

    Deligitimizing all who not just support Trump but who refuse to publicly condemn him. Thus implicitely deligitimizing the Republican Party itself.

    Creating the preconditions necessary to the implementation of a One Party State requires deligitimizing all opposition.

    Strategically, it is “intended to sharpen divisions and to further bond the Democrats and motivate Democrat voters for November 2022” and beyond…

  10. “A politics that forces its adherents to put their most intimate relationships to a litmus test is a politics of totalitarianism.” Barri Weiss

    A politics that forces its adherents to put their most intimate relationships to a litmus test is a ‘politics’ of Satanic Totalitarianism.

    Which BTW, cannot be ‘poli’-[many]-tical at all because totalitarianism declares that only it has legitimacy.

  11. The last part of Neo’s reaction to Bari Weiss’s speech to new students at The University of Austin is much different than what Weiss said herself. In a long talk, Weiss mentioned the January 6th protest only once:

    “It is just and right that those who participated in the orgy of violence on the Capitol on January 6 are being punished. That’s called the rule of law. It was an attempt to physically intimidate our elected officials. It’s wrong when it’s smashing through windows in Congressional offices and it is wrong when it is outside a Supreme Court Justice’s home.”

    I disagree with almost everything Weiss said about the January 6th protest, but I’d still recommend reading the whole transcript. Weiss covers a lot of ground in her characterization of the cultural revolution we’ve had to endure. I also think this sort of speech, to young college students that Weiss calls “founders,” represents a tiny ray of hope. Maybe it’ll convince some of them to resist the overwhelming force of American Marxism.

    Anyway, please read the transcript. It’s not about January 6th.

  12. We have exactly 2 super-liberal acquaintances/relatives who are capable of discussing differences rationally and civilly. They are, of course, the people I find it the most challenging to discuss differences with, because they really make me think about how to justify my views on the issues where we disagree, given my respect for their opinions and our many shared values.

    Family and (mostly ex-) friends who don’t know how to argue this way tend to have no further impact on us, as we won’t discuss things with them if they can’t behave themselves. We’ll just keep changing the subject as often as possible and, if that doesn’t work, break off contact.

  13. Cornflour:

    I didn’t suggest that Weiss’s speech had anything to do with January 6th.

    I am, however, suggesting two things. The first is that Weiss is still neither a conservative nor a Republican nor a supporter of Trump. The second is although she may be unaware of it, Jan 6th is being used to further the divisions she thinks are so negative for this country and our society.

  14. Richard Aubrey:

    I never hid my politics. In fact, prior to about 2004, I can barely recall engaging in political discussions at all, because no one I knew talked about politics. It was only after that that divisions increased and politics started to be brought up a lot in social situations. And by that time, my political affiliation had changed.

    I also have relatives, and I assume you do as well. Or perhaps all your relatives are on the right? Or perhaps you don’t care for your relatives? Or perhaps the ones on the left were the more accepting sort?

  15. Neo:

    In my comment above, I wrote that your last reaction to Weiss’s speech was about January 6th. I didn’t say that your post maintained that her speech had anything to do with January 6th. In fact, my comment was clearly directed to those who read your post, not to you. Almost all of the comments, responding to your post, were about January 6th. In my comment, I pointed out that Weiss’s whole transcript was worth reading, but that people didn’t seem to be doing that.

    As for what you’ve written about Weiss’s opposition to Trump, and her weak embrace of Republicans and conservatives, of course that’s true. I also agree that she seems unaware of the significance of Democrats/Marxists use of the January 6th protests and the ensuing show trial.

  16. “To imagine that an enemy is stupid is to take a large step toward defeat.”

    To assign your enemy greater intelligence than they possess is also the surest way to cripple your ability to respond, react, and initiate.

    “The Jan 6th kangaroo court has tactical and strategic goals.”

    Which it is failing.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-r/

    Those are a series of GOP Presidential polls all taken since the start of the Jan. 6 hearings. Out of 8 polls, DeSantis wins one match-up with Trump. Trump is ahead in the other 7, and is ahead in five by at least 21 points. These hearings have done NOTHING to damage Trump’s chances of getting the GOP nod.

    Know your enemy and know yourself.

    Mike

  17. “It is just and right that those who participated in the orgy of violence on the Capitol on January 6 are being punished. That’s called the rule of law. It was an attempt to physically intimidate our elected officials.” Bari Weiss

    That is a set of fundamental untruths. The only thing that keeps it from being a pack of lies is that she evidently believes it. That she doesn’t qualify “those who participated in the orgy of violence on the Capitol on January 6 are being punished” as being punished unjustly and subjected to blatantly unconstitutional treatment that violates both constitutional guarantees, US treaty obligations to the UN’s Declaration of Human Rights and simple common decency… reveals just how deep are her hypocritical biases.

  18. MBunge,

    A refusal to assume an enemy to be stupid is not necessarily an indication of exaggerating their intelligence. It’s not a case of one or the other. Individuals commonly act both stupidly and intelligently.

    I only indicated their goals, I never even implied that the democrats were succeeding in reaching their goals or even that there was a possibility that they might do so.

    I agree that these hearings have not done anything to prevent Trump’s nomination in 2024. The hearings do reveal how the democrats will portray Trump during his campaign and the media will present the hearing’s accusations as proven fact.

    That BTW would be much harder to do with De Santis. He now has a proven track record, has none of Trump’s baggage and is much more disciplined in his speaking. While retaining Trump’s plainspokeness though expressed more articulately than does Trump.

    I strongly support Trump and will vote for him but De Santis is the better candidate and much more likely to be effective.

    When we assume “facts not in evidence”, when we ascribe implications not supported by what has been actually said, we reveal that we know neither our enemy nor ourself.

  19. “That BTW would be much harder to do with De Santis.”

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Have you been awake for any Presidential contest the last 30 years? Compared to Trump in 2016, DeSantis is a total nobody for the overwhelming majority of the American public. When the media gets done with DeSantis, he’ll not only be blamed for every single COVID death in Florida, he’ll be blamed for everything Cuomo did wrong in New York and Newsome did wrong in California.

    Don’t get me wrong. DeSantis could still win, especially if he would be facing Biden, but the suggestion he won’t be made out to be even WORSE than Trump is sheer foolishness.

    And what facts are in evidence to support the idea the Democrats have some master plan? Putting up some low-level Trump staffer to lie on national TV and get her story destroyed before the day was even over? How much planning did that take?

    Not to sound like Heath Ledger’s Joker but there are schemers in the world. If you step back, though, you can see how pathetic their attempts to control things really are.

    Mike

  20. You have seen how many persons have been arrested or deplatforned for speaking the truth about a whole host of issues desantis is the velvet glove but it works because the state has sensible people there are nutcases but they are relatively far from state offices except agriculture deoartment

  21. “…the leftist emphasis on January 6th has the function of purposely escalating this sort of division…”

    Division? Surely you mean “UNITY”…

    In any event, Weiss has made strides…but she isn’t all the way there yet…and she may never get there, as she still seems to have a need, for some reason, to believe psychopaths, at least on some issues. Still, gotta be thankful that at least her eyes are open, all things being relative, and that she’s not afraid to write about it.

    Did I say “psychopaths”…?
    “7 whoppers peddled by House Democrats’ Jan. 6 committee;
    “From debunked incitement claim to refuted hearsay allegation about a Trump lunge for wheel of presidential vehicle, panel has provided high-visibility forum for fictions and fallacies.”—
    https://justthenews.com/government/congress/most-famous-false-stories-jan-6-committee-has-told-american-people

    But THE SHOW MUST GO ON!…until that oh-so-elusive UNITY is finally achieved…um no, make that “finally perpetrated”.
    (After all, kangaroos gotta rue….)

  22. Daniel Greenfield analyzes the woke in his piece “IDENTITY POLITICS FOR PEOPLE WITHOUT IDENTITIES.”

    …Wokeness is the emotional pandemic of an upper class that white or even partly black, like Obama and Kamala Harris, has lost touch with any meaningful national, religious or communal identity rooted in something other than pop culture and upscale lifestyle habits. The cultural fusionism of identity politics leverages woke economic and political hegemony, but no amount of identity politics virtue signaling can compensate for the lack of a meaningful identity….

    http://www.danielgreenfield.org/2022/07/identity-politics-for-people-without.html

  23. Not sure I agree with Greenfield here.

    “I destroy therefore I am” is pretty powerful stuff…(and is therefore not to pooh-poohed or mocked).

    …Sheesh, there I go, waxing hyperbolic and all. Should have said, “I transform therefore I am” (or perhaps even better, “I control YOU therefore I am”…)

  24. Wesson, I think Daniel Greenfield is on to something.

    Men and women with neither country nor faith, who already live in Lennon’s Imagine paradise, turn to wokeness and its poisonous identity politics because politics is their only identity.

  25. Related article, seems like what the leftists have is a sorting hat to make things easier on them. Don’t have to think about an individual and their oddities/inconsistencies, sorting hat said Hufflepuff, so you’re a Hufflepuff.

    Of course, for the leftist, further thought isn’t required, only obedience to “progress” by any means necessary.

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2022/07/11/liberal-media-the-nonwhitewhite-supremacists-are-coming-n2609982

    For her charge of labeling Flores far-right, Medina’s evidence included a prior instance in which the Texas representative called for President Biden’s impeachment, calling the Democratic Party the “greatest threat America faces,” supporting Donald Trump’s conservative policies, and tweeting QAnon hashtags. In the latter example, Flores has repeatedly denied the hashtags were meant as support for the conspiracy theory group, but rather draw attention to and denounce it. These tweets have also been deleted amid scrutiny. Flores also failed to answer a reporter’s question about whether Biden was a legitimately elected president.

  26. well they are, he wasn’t, quanon is a little out there, but is msnbc, and they abet the destruction of cities,

  27. REMIND THEM OF THE JANUARY 20, 2017 CAPITOL RIOTS!!

    The difference is that in 2017, they had a “real” fence, and MANY LEOs to protect the Capitol buildings and the White House. The destruction was all in the surrounding neighborhoods — many windows smashed, cars on fire, officers injured. Check it out:

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/20/donald-trump-inauguration-protests-begin-turn-viol/

    Oh, another difference – the 200+ arrested were all released within days.

    AND, the House and Senate leadership, plus Mayor Bowser, put in place the protections needed for the mobs not to disrupt proceedings.

    Funny, that…….

  28. Weiss may be an ideological moderate, but she’s an ethnocentric lunatic. I don’t care that she’s not a Trump fan. I do care that she talks about imaginary “enemies” like this.

    Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer: “We must never forget that political opponents are not enemies and that there is no cause that justifies murder.”

    Bari Weiss: “Steve Bannon is an enemy of the Jewish people.”

    https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/797952287591243776

    Just as bad as “woke” lunacy, but in a different direction.

  29. J6 illegal ‘committee’ is simply to discourage any serious people from helping the People in the form of Trump on behalf of the donor class. That is who Liz Cheney, Conservative Inc, and the democrat party is: donors.

    Trump helped Main Street, not Wall Street and Wall Street simply cannot have that as they represent China.

  30. Division in our country will continue because the press and media (broadcast and social) promote it incessantly. Trump has been the divider. He is hated by those he has exposed who want to weaken our country’s prominence on the world stage; loved by those, referred to as deplorables by an ill-suited presidential candidate, who felt their voices and opinions were never heard. And these divisions grow wider everyday.

  31. Just as bad as “woke” lunacy, but in a different direction.

    It is not. She offered a personal opinion about one rather sketchy character. She’s arguably wrong about him. Not all your judgments are sound. (I used to respect George Will).

  32. I read the speech yesterday and I very much appreciate her efforts to educate young people about what is happening to our society. But I was quite troubled by her mention of J6. The term “orgy of violence” dismisses the point of the protests and fits perfectly with the false narrative that J6 was a bunch of deplorables who wanted to participate in a violent protest just for the fun of it. That’s not at all what happened. I can forgive a busy writer for not yet understanding that the Feds are the ones who started the violence, but I’m surprised she seems to think the J6 detainees are being punished according to the rule of law. That is NOT the case. I hope she will start reading Julie Kelly pretty soon and learn about this issue, because it is probably the most significant example of the revolution she is talking about in her speech. Yes, “cancel culture” is a terrible thing, but putting people in jail because of their political beliefs is much worse. So is holding a show-trial with the intent of stopping your political opponents. Not to mention the things that are NOT being investigated: the *deadly* violence perpetrated that day by law enforcement (the shooting of Ashli Babbitt and the apparent beating of Roseanne Boyland), the *four* Capitol police suicides, the recent unexplained death of Michael Stenger (the person who was in charge that day and purportedly resigned the next day), the refusal to call in the National Guard as Trump had requested, the erratic actions of the Capitol police (opening doors, chatting with protestors), etc.

  33. No, she doesn’t get it, not this part of it.
    Doesn’t seem to realize (or want to realize) that the people she KNOWS are lying about so many things are ALSO—and especially—lying about Jan. 6.

    It’s unfortunate and it’s disappointing…but there it is.

    Chalk it up to the limits of [intellectual] power?
    Or perhaps the EMOTIONAL impediments to intellectual power…since so much of the contrived, hepped up hatred of Trump is due to massive manipulation of the emotions.

    (Though who knows? Maybe one day she’ll “wake up”…one day she’ll be able to “break through”…)

  34. There is a very serious moral issue that needs to be raised and considered. The Left is morally defective. They reject the humanity of anyone who disagrees with them. Othering is and always has been a feature of the Left. Weiss still doesn’t see it.

    The Left is nihilist. They are perfectly happy to consign millions, even billions, of people to death or miserable lives of poverty without a second thought. Indeed, they congratulate themselves for their moral superiority while pushing these very policies.

    They are sick. Seriously psychologically and morally sick.

    Why are people so afraid to say it? The evidence is overwhelming.

    Haidt and his fellow liberal researchers try to explain that the Left only uses a few of the moral bases that other people use. That explanation is insufficient to explain the hatred, the nihilism, and the smug belief in moral superiority.

    There is another serious question that is almost never discussed — their embrace of tribal loyalty as their determinant of morality. If the tribe pivots radically on policy, they are happy to go right along. They have no ideological consistency other than adherence to the dictates of the tribal narrative. In fact, as we see with the idiocy of men getting pregnant or BLM or countless other crazy, irrational and blatantly false beliefs, they will march lockstep with whatever narrative the tribe demands.

    This isn’t healthy. It isn’t wise. It isn’t rational. It isn’t moral.

    It’s sick.

  35. While this has nothing to do with the overall comment of her speech, I just wanted to respond to this, apparently required in the first para of the speech…

    }}} Before I begin, I must recognize that we are currently sitting on the ancestral home of the Apache and that my pronouns are she, her and hers.

    I just wanted everyone to know that my pronouns are ‘Fuck off’, ‘Go fuck yourself’, and ‘Sit on it and rotate.’

    Jus’ Sayin’.

    What? “Those aren’t pronouns”???

    NOW you’re just telling me what I can use for pronouns ?!?!?!?

    Just how fucking x-phobic ARE YOU?
    😛

    P.S., Austin, TX, is not really all that close to the “ancestral home of the Apache”, either. :-/

  36. OBloody:

    I believe she is being somewhat sarcastic in her intro.

    After she says the part about her pronouns, etc., she says:

    …my eyesight is less than 20/20 and I can’t run more than half a mile. Also, my own family was displaced by Cossacks at some point in the mid-1800s in what is now called Poland and we’re still waiting for an apology.

    I’m older than you guys, so I remember a time when the sentences I just uttered would have been incomprehensible outside of a critical theory class with a couple dozen people. That was back when the idea of “staying woke” was a lyric Lead Belly sang. That was before the phrase cancel culture was a thing.

    In other words, to translate, she’s saying the previous stuff is the kind of jargon that woke culture demands, and she also says that her own displaced people (from Poland) never got any sort of apology for it and implies that she isn’t expecting one.

  37. Barry: “emotional impediment to intellectual power” is a pretty good way of putting it. We all have limits of this kind, and I don’t really mean to say that Weiss is obligated to understand the J6 tragedy, I was just reporting my own reaction. It surprised me because it seems like such a clear example of what she was talking about. But one can only know so much. And you can see why she said it; she wants as much credibility as possible as an objective, non-partisan observer, so she feels the need to distance herself from the deplorables. Yes, she will figure it out eventually, once more evidence is finally available.

    All that aside, I do think it’s really helpful to have someone defending these values. This University of Austin seems like a really positive development!

  38. Hope you’re right about that (that “she will figure it out eventually”).
    I’m more skeptical.
    After all, she comes from the world of journalism. She was working in “the Lion’s Den”, for heaven’s sake, till she decided she couldn’t continue (or believed she would eventually have been pushed out).
    She KNOWS that most of their reportage on Israel—a topic very close to her—was/is either slanted negatively against Israel or was/is entirely tendentious, slanderous, false.
    She wrote that she was worried that the media was intentionally ignoring Left-wing anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism; IOW that the media was lying by omission.
    Yet, for whatever reason, she hasn’t been able to come to the—what I would consider reasonable—conclusion that people and/or organizations that lie about one thing will probably lie about other things, especially when they are opposed to those things and therefore wish to “present” those things in a particularly adverse—negative, scurrilous—“way”.
    That is, she doesn’t seem to have been able to make what I would consider this ultimate, logical leap—in spite of living in that crucible for so long.
    Well…people are complicated….

  39. I continue to recommend Bari Weiss’s speech to students at the University of Austin.

    Here again is a link to a transcript of that speech: https://www.commonsense.news/p/the-new-founders-america-needs

    As I’ve said, Weiss’s speech is a wide-ranging attack on the cultural revolution imposed on us by American Marxists, who have utterly overwhelmed American colleges and universities. The founding of the University of Austin is a response to this educational tragedy, and Bari Weiss serves on the board of that university. She’s also attempting to provide an alternative to the standard Leftist journalism published by the New York Times, from which she was expelled. I certainly don’t agree with everything she’s written, but she’s a classic case of a “political changer,” which is a central theme of Neo’s blog.

    Instead of reading the full transcript of Weiss’s speech, most of the comments here have used Neo’s post as an excuse to attack Weiss for a brief remark she made about the January 6th protest. I don’t agree with that remark, but to dismiss the rest of the speech, and Weiss herself, because of that remark reveals little more than a pathological obsession with events almost completely outside of the scope of Weiss’s speech.

    As a public service, I’ve run the numbers.

    Weiss’s speech: 5492 words, 401 sentences.

    Weiss used the phrase “January 6th” one time. That was in a short paragraph of 66 words and four sentences.

    If measured by words, Weiss’s speech was 1.2% about January 6th.

    If measured by sentences, Weiss’s speech was 1% about January 6th.

    One last time, this speech isn’t about January 6th. Please read the whole transcript.

  40. The Jan 6 show trials are obvious to all. Anyone who seeks to talk about cancel culture, othering, and the rest of the Woke dishonesty and corruption does enormous damage to her credibility when she fails to see that which is blatantly obvious. Regardless of the percentage her Jan 6 statement, it infects 100% of her credibility.

  41. According to Stan, the value of what someone says must be defined by what isn’t said. That’s a symptom of pathological obsession.

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