Beyond that, the paleoanthropoligist John Hawks was part of the research team that discovered this new species. At his blog, he’s written quite a bit about it: https://tinyurl.com/2s3u293c.
}}} “It’s more complicated”
DUH. It always is. 😛
If you’re looking for simple, look at human creations, not those of Nature/God.
So, a group of individuals found together in a cave, with no other bones except one bird ?
Somebody should check out the geology of the site, because this sounds like (or at least it sounds like it to me) they starved to death after being caught in a cave-in.
There’s a troubling economy/politics story today.
There is legislation that’s already been hammered out with a couple names. USICA and the CHIPS Act. The expectation is that something like $40B or $50B will be pumped into bolstering US semiconductor chip production.
But, … Mitch McConnell won’t sign off on it unless the Dems promise a bipartisan reconciliation spending bill negotiation. I suspect there are some toxic things planned for that, although notice how Republicans never use the phrase “poison pills.”
Meanwhile, the semi industry says they won’t invest any new private cash in building new facilities without the taxpayer cash they’ve been “promised.”
Further meanwhile, the chip shortages are getting worse and worse, not better.
Everybody is trying to hold the other group hostage. Great.
richf on July 5, 2022 at 11:08 am said
“So, a group of individuals found together in a cave, with no other bones except one bird? Somebody should check out the geology of the site, because this sounds like (or at least it sounds like it to me) they starved to death after being caught in a cave-in.”
richf:
Geologists were part of the team that did the cave exploration and excavation. Rocks, sediments, and stratigraphy were mapped and measured in excruciating detail. The bones were deposited, over time, in different stratigraphic layers. Although it’s not possible that they were all caught simultaneously in a single cave-in, the remains could well be those of H. naledi who were trapped at different times. I’ve forgotten what, if any, conclusions were reached by the Rising Star Cave research team.
In addition to John Hawks’s blog posts, more detail can be found in this National Geographic article: https://tinyurl.com/y5tfrmns.
richf:
Here’a a paper that explicitly addresses the question you’ve raised.
We describe the physical context of the Dinaledi Chamber within the Rising Star cave, South Africa, which contains the fossils of Homo naledi. Approximately 1550 specimens of hominin remains have been recovered from at least 15 individuals, representing a small portion of the total fossil content. Macro-vertebrate fossils are exclusively H. naledi, and occur within clay-rich sediments derived from in situ weathering, and exogenous clay and silt, which entered the chamber through fractures that prevented passage of coarser-grained material. The chamber was always in the dark zone, and not accessible to non-hominins. Bone taphonomy indicates that hominin individuals reached the chamber complete, with disarticulation occurring during/after deposition. Hominins accumulated over time as older laminated mudstone units and sediment along the cave floor were eroded. Preliminary evidence is consistent with deliberate body disposal in a single location, by a hominin species other than Homo sapiens, at an as-yet unknown date.
I’m really starting to feel like we are in a situation where many of our fellow citizens are “Good Germans”. The evidence of gov’t malfeasance is plain but they avert eyes. As such, it is beginning to be apparent that you can’t “save them”, it is becoming a Darwin Challenge where those who ignore the unfolding reality will punish their own childrens’ future.
Here’s an example from our Covid situation:
US Gov tries to sell toddler vaxxing through MediCare emails–
“Talk with your family about getting the little ones vaccinated. In case you missed it, CDC now recommends COVID-19 vaccines for everyone 6 months and older, and boosters for everyone 5 years and older.
COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective at preventing children from getting seriously sick.”
Compare with this snip from a WSJ editorial:
Why the Rush for Toddler Vaccines?
More troubling, vaccinated toddlers in Pfizer’s trial were more likely to get severely ill with Covid than those who received a placebo. Pfizer claimed most severe cases weren’t “clinically significant,” whatever that means, but this was all the more reason that the FDA should have required a longer follow-up before authorizing the vaccine.
Also worrisome: Most kids who developed multiple infections during the trial were vaccinated. This warranted more investigation, since experimental vaccines for other diseases sometimes increase susceptibility to infection.
Scientists are also discovering that triple-vaccinated adults who were previously infected with the Wuhan variant have a weaker immune response to Omicron, leaving them more susceptible to reinfection. This phenomenon, called “immunological imprinting,” could explain why children who received three Pfizer shots were more likely to get reinfected.
“We would urge you to consider very carefully the move to vaccinate ever younger children against SARS-CoV-2, despite the gradual but significant reducing virulence of successive variants, the increasing evidence of rapidly waning vaccine efficacy, the increasing concerns over long-term vaccine harms, and the knowledge that the vast majority of this young age group have already been exposed to SARS-CoV-2 repeatedly and have demonstrably effective immunity. Thus, the balance of benefit and risk which supported the rollout of mRNA vaccines to the elderly and vulnerable in 2021 is totally inappropriate for small children in 2022.
We also strongly challenge the addition of COVID-19 vaccination into the routine child immunization program despite no demonstrated clinical need, known and unknown risks (see below) and the fact that these vaccines still have only conditional marketing authorization.
It is noteworthy that the Pfizer documentation presented to the FDA has huge gaps in the evidence provided”
…
“It is incomprehensible that the FDA considered that this represents sufficient evidence on which to base a decision to vaccinate healthy children.”
Sorry for the long post.
We should all be out there frantically opposing the gov’t officials pushing this.
But maybe we have to face the fact that our fellow citizens won’t open their eyes Perhaps it is time to move on and let them face their fate.
Thus, the balance of benefit and risk which supported the rollout of mRNA vaccines to the elderly and vulnerable in 2021 is totally inappropriate for small children in 2022.
The last minute of the video is a fascinating wrap-up. 200 – 300,000 years ago, a handful of different species of early man were present on earth, living and even occasionally interacting. It’s been stated that Homo Sapiens, Denisovans and Neaderthals interacted and interbred. I find these studies fascinating and hope they continue extracting DNA from the various species to further the study.
JimNorCal, it’s encouraging to see that the percentage of under-5s in the US being given the COVID shots is very, very small. Most parents aren’t buying the CDC line.
John Hawks, mentioned above, is also solid on H. Nean. Good stuff on youtube and on his UWisc site.
Punctuated equilibrium has not come up with a commonly-accepted mechanism. But a population sundered permanently by a tectonic or other event may result in one side going its own way, evolutionarily speaking. And perhaps pretty fast if the new environment culls harshly.
That would mean it wouldn’t need a long Darwinian gradualist history. Hence the term “punctuated”.
So maybe we won’t find pre-Naledi.
An excellent interview of journalist and activist Christopher Rufo, by Mark Granza and TechnoFog, the lawyer who often tweets scoops on key activities in the Federal Court system. Very much worth reading.
Rufo is the journalist credited with uncovering the alarming extent of Critical Race Theory and its stealthy, corrosive advance within the institutions of Government, Corporate America, and the Public Schools.
Aggie, I agree, the idea of all those different humanoid species possibly interacting is fascinating–like Men, Dwarves, and Elves.
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Those of us who like this video might want to review Neo’s earlier posts on the topic of Homo naledi (https://tinyurl.com/2fxk8aff and https://tinyurl.com/ymkzrkh9).
Beyond that, the paleoanthropoligist John Hawks was part of the research team that discovered this new species. At his blog, he’s written quite a bit about it: https://tinyurl.com/2s3u293c.
}}} “It’s more complicated”
DUH. It always is. 😛
If you’re looking for simple, look at human creations, not those of Nature/God.
So, a group of individuals found together in a cave, with no other bones except one bird ?
Somebody should check out the geology of the site, because this sounds like (or at least it sounds like it to me) they starved to death after being caught in a cave-in.
There’s a troubling economy/politics story today.
There is legislation that’s already been hammered out with a couple names. USICA and the CHIPS Act. The expectation is that something like $40B or $50B will be pumped into bolstering US semiconductor chip production.
But, … Mitch McConnell won’t sign off on it unless the Dems promise a bipartisan reconciliation spending bill negotiation. I suspect there are some toxic things planned for that, although notice how Republicans never use the phrase “poison pills.”
Meanwhile, the semi industry says they won’t invest any new private cash in building new facilities without the taxpayer cash they’ve been “promised.”
Further meanwhile, the chip shortages are getting worse and worse, not better.
Everybody is trying to hold the other group hostage. Great.
richf on July 5, 2022 at 11:08 am said
“So, a group of individuals found together in a cave, with no other bones except one bird? Somebody should check out the geology of the site, because this sounds like (or at least it sounds like it to me) they starved to death after being caught in a cave-in.”
richf:
Geologists were part of the team that did the cave exploration and excavation. Rocks, sediments, and stratigraphy were mapped and measured in excruciating detail. The bones were deposited, over time, in different stratigraphic layers. Although it’s not possible that they were all caught simultaneously in a single cave-in, the remains could well be those of H. naledi who were trapped at different times. I’ve forgotten what, if any, conclusions were reached by the Rising Star Cave research team.
In addition to John Hawks’s blog posts, more detail can be found in this National Geographic article: https://tinyurl.com/y5tfrmns.
richf:
Here’a a paper that explicitly addresses the question you’ve raised.
The URL to the full text: https://elifesciences.org/articles/09561
Geological and taphonomic context for the new hominin species Homo naledi from the Dinaledi Chamber, South Africa. eLife 4:e09561 (2015)
https://doi.org/10.7554/eLife.09561.001
Abstract
We describe the physical context of the Dinaledi Chamber within the Rising Star cave, South Africa, which contains the fossils of Homo naledi. Approximately 1550 specimens of hominin remains have been recovered from at least 15 individuals, representing a small portion of the total fossil content. Macro-vertebrate fossils are exclusively H. naledi, and occur within clay-rich sediments derived from in situ weathering, and exogenous clay and silt, which entered the chamber through fractures that prevented passage of coarser-grained material. The chamber was always in the dark zone, and not accessible to non-hominins. Bone taphonomy indicates that hominin individuals reached the chamber complete, with disarticulation occurring during/after deposition. Hominins accumulated over time as older laminated mudstone units and sediment along the cave floor were eroded. Preliminary evidence is consistent with deliberate body disposal in a single location, by a hominin species other than Homo sapiens, at an as-yet unknown date.
I’m really starting to feel like we are in a situation where many of our fellow citizens are “Good Germans”. The evidence of gov’t malfeasance is plain but they avert eyes. As such, it is beginning to be apparent that you can’t “save them”, it is becoming a Darwin Challenge where those who ignore the unfolding reality will punish their own childrens’ future.
Here’s an example from our Covid situation:
US Gov tries to sell toddler vaxxing through MediCare emails–
“Talk with your family about getting the little ones vaccinated. In case you missed it, CDC now recommends COVID-19 vaccines for everyone 6 months and older, and boosters for everyone 5 years and older.
COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective at preventing children from getting seriously sick.”
Compare with this snip from a WSJ editorial:
Why the Rush for Toddler Vaccines?
More troubling, vaccinated toddlers in Pfizer’s trial were more likely to get severely ill with Covid than those who received a placebo. Pfizer claimed most severe cases weren’t “clinically significant,” whatever that means, but this was all the more reason that the FDA should have required a longer follow-up before authorizing the vaccine.
Also worrisome: Most kids who developed multiple infections during the trial were vaccinated. This warranted more investigation, since experimental vaccines for other diseases sometimes increase susceptibility to infection.
Scientists are also discovering that triple-vaccinated adults who were previously infected with the Wuhan variant have a weaker immune response to Omicron, leaving them more susceptible to reinfection. This phenomenon, called “immunological imprinting,” could explain why children who received three Pfizer shots were more likely to get reinfected.
Finally this link to a story on dozens of UK medicos imploring their gov’t to refrain from pushing vaccination on little kids with a snip from the article–
https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/letter-to-the-uk-gov-from-76-doctors
Letter to the U.K. Gov from 76 Doctors
“We would urge you to consider very carefully the move to vaccinate ever younger children against SARS-CoV-2, despite the gradual but significant reducing virulence of successive variants, the increasing evidence of rapidly waning vaccine efficacy, the increasing concerns over long-term vaccine harms, and the knowledge that the vast majority of this young age group have already been exposed to SARS-CoV-2 repeatedly and have demonstrably effective immunity. Thus, the balance of benefit and risk which supported the rollout of mRNA vaccines to the elderly and vulnerable in 2021 is totally inappropriate for small children in 2022.
We also strongly challenge the addition of COVID-19 vaccination into the routine child immunization program despite no demonstrated clinical need, known and unknown risks (see below) and the fact that these vaccines still have only conditional marketing authorization.
It is noteworthy that the Pfizer documentation presented to the FDA has huge gaps in the evidence provided”
…
“It is incomprehensible that the FDA considered that this represents sufficient evidence on which to base a decision to vaccinate healthy children.”
Sorry for the long post.
We should all be out there frantically opposing the gov’t officials pushing this.
But maybe we have to face the fact that our fellow citizens won’t open their eyes Perhaps it is time to move on and let them face their fate.
Thus, the balance of benefit and risk which supported the rollout of mRNA vaccines to the elderly and vulnerable in 2021 is totally inappropriate for small children in 2022.
Exactly.
Anarchy in the UK?
“Is this finally the end for Boris? Rishi Sunak and Sajid Javid QUIT with savage attack on Johnson’s ‘lack of integrity’, competence and leadership – as embattled PM returns to Downing Street amid threat of more resignations TONIGHT”—
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10984725/Rishi-Sunak-Sajid-Javid-resign-end-Boris-Johnson.html
The last minute of the video is a fascinating wrap-up. 200 – 300,000 years ago, a handful of different species of early man were present on earth, living and even occasionally interacting. It’s been stated that Homo Sapiens, Denisovans and Neaderthals interacted and interbred. I find these studies fascinating and hope they continue extracting DNA from the various species to further the study.
JimNorCal, it’s encouraging to see that the percentage of under-5s in the US being given the COVID shots is very, very small. Most parents aren’t buying the CDC line.
positive signs
https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/editorials/article263053503.html
John Hawks, mentioned above, is also solid on H. Nean. Good stuff on youtube and on his UWisc site.
Punctuated equilibrium has not come up with a commonly-accepted mechanism. But a population sundered permanently by a tectonic or other event may result in one side going its own way, evolutionarily speaking. And perhaps pretty fast if the new environment culls harshly.
That would mean it wouldn’t need a long Darwinian gradualist history. Hence the term “punctuated”.
So maybe we won’t find pre-Naledi.
An excellent interview of journalist and activist Christopher Rufo, by Mark Granza and TechnoFog, the lawyer who often tweets scoops on key activities in the Federal Court system. Very much worth reading.
https://im1776.com/2022/07/01/christopher-rufo-interview/
Rufo is the journalist credited with uncovering the alarming extent of Critical Race Theory and its stealthy, corrosive advance within the institutions of Government, Corporate America, and the Public Schools.
Aggie, I agree, the idea of all those different humanoid species possibly interacting is fascinating–like Men, Dwarves, and Elves.