The uses of the January 6th Congressional hearing: setting the scene for the criminal indictment of Trump?
Let’s talk about January 6th, say Democrats and a few NeverTrumpers. Let’s talk about it again and again and again.
Perhaps the House will decide to impeach Trump for the third time; they seem rather addicted to it. And now that Trump’s out of office, they’re aching to criminally indict him, too. I think part of this new January 6th thrust is a desire to lay the groundwork for a possible indictment, which isn’t allowed while a person is president but can occur afterwards, although it never has in this country.
The above link about indicting Trump isn’t an isolated article, either – it’s quite a popular topic in the MSM. For example, here’s NBC – and note the emphasis on Cheney, who as a Republican who hates Trump with a white-hot passion is especially useful for the purpose:
Liz Cheney’s powerful remarks at Thursday night’s Jan. 6 congressional hearing on the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol — which sounded a lot like a lawyer’s opening statement at a criminal trial — have renewed a debate in legal circles about whether the Justice Department could, and should, prosecute Donald Trump.
With a growing body of evidence that Cheney and others say points to criminal acts involving Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election results, Attorney General Merrick Garland may ultimately be faced with an excruciatingly difficult decision about whether prosecuting a former president is in the national interest.
“Excruciatingly difficult”? The “difficulty” for Garland, excruciating or not, lies in concern about whether it could succeed without sparking a backlash of extremely worrisome proportions.
It’s not just Trump they’re thinking about indicting, either:
[Garland’s] deputy, Lisa Monaco, has confirmed that prosecutors were looking into the legal ramifications for those who took part in schemes to push slates of fake Electoral College members declaring Trump the winner of states Joe Biden won.
More ruminations:
Filing criminal charges against Trump in connection with his efforts to overturn the election “will very likely spark civil unrest, and maybe even civil war,” said Barbara McQuade, an NBC legal analyst and a former U.S. attorney.
But, she said, “I think not charging is even worse, because not charging means you failed to hold someone criminally accountable who tried to subvert our democracy.”
Ah yes, Ms. McQuade – like, perhaps, the many many folks who cooked up Russiagate? I’m sure you’d be in favor of holding them criminally accountable, in your zealous and evenhanded quest to uphold American democracy.
Many legal experts said it would not be necessary to link Trump to the mobs who stormed the Capitol in order to charge him. They said there was ample evidence that he participated in a corrupt scheme to overturn the election.
“I can imagine an indictment that includes all seven schemes,” McQuade said. “But if the DOJ can prove any one of them, that would be enough.”
In other words, said Rosenberg, “Did he conspire with at least one other person to obstruct Congress and to thwart the counting of the electoral votes?”
As has happened before at the hands of Democrats (see also this), and is certainly not a criminal undertaking. But as that great defender of democracy Beria said, show me the man, and I’ll show you the crime.
I wonder whether the Democrats and the DOJ will really indict Trump, or whether they’re too frightened of the consequences were they to do it.
No former president has ever been indicted. And a presidential administration of one party charging a president of another party — no matter how much prosecutors insist the decision was made on the facts and the law — would create an uncomfortable precedent.
“Uncomfortable” – you know, like tight shoes. Nothing to get all that upset about. And it’s not that it would be wrong to do, oh no – it’s that it sets a bad precedent because if Republicans ever get back in power they might even do it to the Democrats in retaliation.
“I don’t think we want to be the kind of country where this happens often,” McQuade said.
Certainly not often – just to powerful Republicans we hate.
Biden would have the legal authority to make the final decision about whether to prosecute, but experts are divided on whether he should get involved.
“That’s a fascinating question,” Eliason said. “It feels to me that the president would have to weigh in. We are talking about this monumental decision. Biden was elected, not Garland. At some point this becomes a policy question, not strictly a legal one.”
McQuade disagreed: “It would be a terrible idea. I think you cannot loop in the president. You can give him a heads up, but I don’t think you consult him. That undermines this idea of an independent Justice Department.”
Comedy gold! It would undermine the idea that the DOJ is independent – because until now, we all had that idea, didn’t we?
The article has humorous aspects, but there really is nothing funny about it. This is what we’ve come to.
Nothing at all is off limits for the demonkrats.
Frankly, the more civil unrest they can cause, the greater the excuse they will have for imposing “law and order” (i.e., punitive) measures upon the citizens.
At a minimum, the more the dems gin up another Trump fantasy story – and have about half the citizens of the USA totally buying into it, which they will – the more they hope it will prevent Trump from running for president.
At a minimum, this is what the dems seek.
In reality, they seek an end to our Constitutional Republic, and will do whatever it takes to attain that goal.
Never let a crisis go to waste.
And if there is no crisis, invent one.
It isn’t Trump.
He’s just in the way.
It’s us.
It’s like reading the Democrat Party dream journal. The country is going to hell and these nitwits are entertaining each other about with wild fantasies.
Comedy gold! It would undermine the idea that the DOJ is independent – because until now, we all had that idea, didn’t we?
It’s not like there was an almost secret meeting between an Attorney General and a former President and party power broker on an airport tarmac. That sort of thing could never happen because all these justice people are real boy scouts and girl scouts and would never sully the ethical standards they’ve sworn to uphold.
I even recall that many Republicans including a couple I trust said that Loretta Lynch was a very solid choice for AG.
lisa monaco, that the gope put over the top, ‘super easy, barely an inconvenience’*
to indict maybe a year later, they will be a reversal, then again the sword of damocles of assasination, might discourage what eventually happened to mcdonnell or stevens, in the latter case, it was death that made it irreversable,**
*pitch meeting catch phrase,
**the beneficiary of that decision, nick begich a spend thrift fmr major of anchorage, who burdened the city, with great debts, who was obamas 59th or 60th vote, for obamacare, ended up second in the primary to palin, for don young’s seat
Please indict him, with real charges and a real trial (can such a thing be had in DC?).
Then the CNN-cult will have to listen to all the exculpatory evidence the J6 hearings are ignoring, plus all of the negatives about the Democrats’ activities to hamstring the Capitol Police – who they are using in their true-crime-drama show only if the facts favor their narrative.
Shamelessly (but not baselessly) quoting myself:
https://www.thenewneo.com/2022/06/11/toupees-and-arrogance/#comment-2628086
“Today, one of the talking heads asked a Dem spokes-being about the release of the Capitol Police investigation of the alleged “reconnaissance tours” by a GOP Representative. The Police said no such thing happened. The spokes-spinner said they were going to review the evidence that the Police had examined.
IOW, she basically called the Police Chief a liar.”
https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-if-you-impeach-me-now-i-shall-become-more-powerful-than-you-can-possibly-imagine/
it was sydney powell, the bantam texas prosecutor, who helped spring general flynn from that flytrap that contreras had signed off on, that lisa monaco was a party to, but had the presence of mind to subsequently recuse themselves,
the beneficiary of the mcdonnelly proscription, was terry mcauliffe, clinton lounge lizard, world com predator, who managed his succession through the blood price* of charlottesville,
Every crime in America is statutory. Do these clowns even cite the statute that Trump broke?
thought crime obviously, meanwhile real offenses are swept under the rug,
https://mobile.twitter.com/RetroTechNoir/status/1536511007736188928
Do these clowns even cite the statute that Trump broke?
https://alchetron.com/cdn/pugsley-addams-c3bce0b2-5a1d-4fc0-9965-651ccac23d3-resize-750.jpg
Getting to end of Richard Pipes Russian Revolution, one of first acts Vlad Lenin did when taking over, and not a firm sure thing even, was outlaw opposition parties, jailing leaders thereof some of who were murdered by the Bolsheviks.
Have no doubt the Democrats would love to emulate them.
@ Skip > “Have no doubt the Democrats would love to emulate them.”
Don’t you mean the Communists?
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/02/bernie-sanderss-party-line-to-apology-for-communist-dictatorships.php
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/09/cia-director-reveals-he-was-once-a-communist-sympathizer.html
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/jul/19/ron-desantis/was-john-brennan-once-member-communist-party/
“We found Brennan has acknowledged voting for a communist presidential candidate in 1976. That does not mean he was a member of the Communist Party.”
Try using that spin to exonerate a Republican who once voted for, oh, a John Bircher candidate for anything.
yes bernie honeymooned in moskva, wilhelm nee deblasio was a sandalista, yes brennan was a commie in his youth, an islamists at least since his 20s, there is a continuum of belief, like vassiliev noted in his respectful treatment of the saudi kingdom,
raskin sr was a soviet frontman at the institute for policy studies which he founded when he left the kennedy state department, along with morton halperin, who came along later after he left the nsc under nixon,
Back to Politifact: “Importantly, experts agree that voting for a particular candidate in a party does not make the voter a member of that party. Becoming a member of a party is a much more specific and intensive commitment than simply pulling a lever in the ballot booth.”
Those experts are sure erudite aren’t they.
Good thing that supporting a particular candidate in a GOP Primary to try and make the general election prospects of your own party brighter doesn’t make you a Republican, because that’s one of their favorite pastimes.
https://freebeacon.com/democrats/the-naked-jan-6-political-calculation/
We are living in Orwell’s 1984. And the evil Big Brother is the Democrat crime family.
but you say, brennan was the drone warrior, but he was indiscriminate in his targeting, regarded jerusalem as illegitimate, referred it by its arab name, al quds,*
compromised at least one deep cover asset into al queda, the resulting ‘walk the cat’ investigation, bent over backwards to exonerate him, islamic state arose during his tenure, jeh johnsons leak conveniently allowed him to replace petraeus, as he was an adhoc adviser before this incident,
at the time of his death, michael hastings was doing an expose on the drone program
coincidentally the name of the iranian revolutionary guards elite commando unit,
the security services are very good at purging wrong thinkers, see phil haney, now actually protecting the citizenry, see san bernandino orlando las vegas, parkland, come one now what do you think we are? epstein, nassar weinstein, raniere, well their acts are just collateral damage,
the doj went after the alaskan state reps, using william allen as catspaw, this encouraged the ethical reforms, that were subsequently all aimed at palin coordinated by perkins and coie dnc house counsel, devils advocate for gitmo terrorist, flacks for crowdstrike neustar (sussman)and christopher steele, (marc elias) who also runs the mail vote sluicegate, and the recent attempts to proscribe gop reps like marjorie greene and cawthorne,(50/50 on that score,)
Laughable, except that too many citizens will be taken in by the narrative – Trump bad, his supporters worse.
The Dems say that all claims about election integrity are BASELESS. That’s such a nice focus group tested word. Why, if they are so sure that there was no fraud in the elections, won’t the Democrats hold investigations of the five swing states where the election was won to show the deplorables that their suspicions really are BASELESS. Could be a great service to the nation and get rid of the doubt. Instead, they have done everything possible to stop or slow any investigations that have been attempted by Republicans. Guilty knowledge? It sure looks that way. If all was on the up and up, they should welcomer clearing things up for people.
What do we get? A one-sided investigation of Trump, even though their impeachment on the same issues failed back in January. Bread and circuses. Though the bread is becoming uncomfortably expensive.
AesopFan:
The CNN cult would not hear any exculpatory testimony because they would not broadcast it or report it.
They would ignore any testimony that was favorable to Trump.
At best , they would have one of their analysts (i.e., propagandists) “explain” to all the viewers why the exculpatory testimony / evidence was not really exculpatory at all or that it was clearly evident the witness was lying.
…Garland may ultimately be faced with an excruciatingly difficult decision about
whether prosecuting a former president is in the national interestwhether he can get away with destabilizing the country further.It’s hilarious to think that the Democrats indicting Trump would all but hand him the GOP nomination on a silver platter. What’s even funnier is that all this discussion and view-from-10,000-feet speculation is happening just five months before what looks like historic Democratic annihilation at the ballot box. Imagine what two years of Trump with a GOP Congress at his back battling Biden’s DOJ would look like.
It reminds me of the stock market. There have been several instances over the last 30 years where stocks should have fallen and then remained down for a significant amount of time. But each major market plunge was followed by the Feds moving heaven and earth to prop stock prices back up and that inevitably sets the stage for an even more destructive market collapse the government CAN’T wish away.
When Trump won in 2016, the political establishment could have just taken the loss, figured out what went wrong, and tried to fix it. Instead, they don’t just want to ignore Trump’s win and what it means, they want to wipe it out of the history books and pretend it never happened. Which means the very errors, flaws, and weaknesses that summoned Trump in the first place continue to get worse and worse and worse.
Mike
I thought the J6 Committee chair said there would NOT be an indictment of Trump.
In any case, a House committee should have a “legislative” objective in holding hearings and issuing subpoenas. But never mind what they ought to be doing.
of the people I despise in this affair, well dems it’s like cursing scorpions, it’s in their nature, but barr had a duty not to have this country stolen and sold for parts, we know the game in atlanta, the fake calls in maricopa county, the extortion, sicilian or levantine style) against the election board members in wayne county who deferred on verifying the count, barr pretends none of this happened,
pence with his babbit earnestness, was not so surprising, as his staff had yielded a bumper crop of never trumpers walters, short, toye, the crazy woman on the covid task force,
but the question is what is to be done now, can we rely they won’t steal the midterms out right, or will they just be selective, so only those who sell us out on red flag laws, who ship our weapons to ukraine, who signed off on mayorkas and garland and austin get through,
there is some hope in what carolyn glick relates from israel, the proscription of netanyahu is not only about him, but to make center right opposition, unprofitable if not impossible outright, but they floundered when the surveilance op was discovered, like with senior chief gallagher (still being defamed on shows like ncis la by implication ) then the evidence of corruption proved lacking, plus his successor bennett has proven to be rather sleazy and incompetent, in his negotiations with the arab party and lapid,
What JJ said @3:21.
I’ll just “elaborate” (IOW cut to the chase) by saying that the Jan. 6 Congressional “Hearings”, by their very existence, by their essence and by THE WAY they are being held, PROVE that the elections were STOLEN.
The “Hearings” are meant to figuratively DESTROY the evidence once and for all. The coverup to end all coverups.
That is, the “Hearings” are intended to be the bullet to back of the head of the American Republic. The COUP de grace.
(“Hearings” because the Democrats are NOT hearing—and NOT listening to—anything except their own trumped up delusions; “Hearings” in the sense of “trial” in Kangaroo trial….)
they do keep ‘cranking the knob to eleven’ because that’s all they know, they have about five notes, covid putin, white supremacy abortion, climate change, I know there is an overlap if they could put in a shake, they would blend it together and do it, supply change, food shortages, rampaging crime, that’s not on their call sheet,
Kate:
He said it, and then others in the group said he spoke out of turn and they have not decided whether or not to recommend it. In addition, I don’t think the DOJ needs their recommendation in order to proceed with an indictment.
they don’t need to be told, they know what they have to do, and how to hide the exculpatory evidence,
https://nypost.com/2022/06/11/the-fbi-knew-russiagate-was-a-lie-but-hid-that-truth/
Barry and JJ,
re: stolen election — isn’t it interesting that Democrats are desirous of Red Flag legislation for guns. For quality pollsters and election gurus, the election threw up a massive numbers of red flags. All of them pointing to massive fraud.
The odds of the election being honest were about 1 in a trillion. To say it was honest is to say that accurate polling is impossible and all of the massive political science knowledge acquired by people following the model of Kevin Phillips has been wrong.
I think we should use the same statistical standards we use to determine scientific fact. If we do, the election has been proven, conclusively, to be stolen. But that’s only if we rely on scientific standards.
We know quality polling is possible. People like Rich Baris do it all the time. If it is, we should use that knowledge and expertise for what it tells us about the election and the odds that it was stolen. The conclusion is inescapable.
“Comedy gold” of a different variety….
“Hordes Of Americans Are Moving To Mexico To Escape Rapidly Rising Inflation In The US”—
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/hordes-americans-are-moving-mexico-escape-rapidly-rising-inflation-us
Oh, the ironies.
(Maybe this is what “Biden” means when he crows that his policies are working amazingly well…)
Barry Meislin (4:48 pm) . . .
Of course, the official name of Mexico is Estados Unidos Mexicanos, so . . .
“Hordes Of Americans Are Moving To Mexico To Escape Rapidly Rising Inflation In The US”, in tandem with the hordes of Mexicans — along with other Latinx/Hispanix passing through Mexico — settling here amounts to an amusing amalgam of United Stateses.
Or are we becoming an omnibus United Statex? I know, not necessarily amusing.
AesopFan – yes Communists but thinking Bolsheviks is more exact.
Communists in theory is ultimate Socialism, no one owns anything, of course they will never achieve it. The Bolsheviks flat out wanted to rule with a bigger Iron Fist than the Czars ever dreamed. To them the Socialists were just patsies to help get what they wanted.
Half the country thinks that the BLM riots of 2020 were “ mostly peaceful”.
Some of it is willful blindness. I was still on FB and was commenting on a local news article and posted a link about destruction during the riots of 2020. There was this one supposedly retired Navy guy that prominently wore his veteran status on FB. He was completely with the Democrats and seemingly never questioned the “ mostly peaceful” narrative. There are millions of those people.
There was tons of evidence being posted in real time about the destruction by BLM and Antifa and the talk of “ this is a revolution” from BLM supporters, etc, going on. But the narrative is that BLM was peaceful and January 6 was “ insurrection”, and people like that cannot or will not examine the evidence in detail.
Before 2016, I used to think the DOJ was skewed but not quite a political organization. It was obvious some segments had problems, such as the ATF. And they certainly didn’t prosecute Democrats for Obstruction of Justice referred by Congress. However, I didn’t think we would see FBI leadership colluding with an opposition campaign to remove a duly elected President from office. Now, it is clear it wasn’t just FBI leaderhship, nor leadership within our Intellegence Community. It is almost entirely the DOJ, and if not entirely now, then they are openly admitting to purging what remains of those not becoming partisans.
I don’t see how any criminal indictment of Trump could ever succeed. It would require paneling a jury that is so far partisan that you wouldn’t get at least one person holding to not guilty just because. And I haven’t seen any evidence that would likely sway a regular jury of a criminal act. That’s amazing considering I suspect all politicians have some level of corruption.
Indicting Trump is dumb. Hell, just floating the concept is pushing a likelihood of backlash. I suspect this is Democrats pretending that their actions and threats are the same as the “lock-up Hillary chants”. The problem they have is almost anybody with training in handling classified or sensitive documents knows exactly what crime Hillary committed. No one can point to the statute that Trump supposedly violated. In fact, the crime they claim he committed is actually a Constitutionally protected solution and has precedent in US history. As noted by neo, Democrats have tried the same in 2000, 2004, and 2016. Anyway, I note my suspicion, because it is the line from which Democrats can still walk back. Unfortunately, I don’t think they are smart enough to do so and crossing the line, especially now, when economic catastrophe is already nearly certain, will result in civil unrest.
Leland:
I think it would be a fairly simple matter to get such a jury in Washington DC.
The democrat’s ideological fanaticism and desperation at the prospect of Trump’s return to the Presidency prevents them from grasping that the absolute best that they can achieve from this kangaroo court is a pyrrhic victory.
If they fail to legally disqualify Trump from reelection, they make him stronger. If they succeed in legally disqualifying Trump from reelection, they enable the election of President De Santis.
If they steal the 2024 election, they ensure a far more enraged electorate than in 2020. An electorate that will be forced to the grim realization that there remains no alternative to “politics by ‘other’ means”.
Most of all what they fail to grasp is that the great majority of Americans are not willing to live in a leftist hellhole but are willing to, if necessary fight to get out of. The hellhole that democrats are insisting that, if we only give it a chance… will lead to a ‘better’ world.
I would like to know just what they would plan to do with Mr. Trump, should they try and convict him. I can actually see them going for something quite draconian. I could even believe that they, in their current seemingly near insane hatred, even making an attempt at going for capital punishment. There is a good chance that the Democrats will arrange the Assassination of a Supreme Court Justice, so Biden can install another Leftist. So I see no reason why they would not at least try to show their righteous wrath by sending Mr. Trump to the lamp posts.
Even imprisoning Mr. Trump for life could spark the start of Civil War II. It would be an overt act of punishing someone, because the Democrats hate him.
Neo:
It appears so. Actually, it is very apparent in getting a lenient view for Democrats being prosecuted. The thing is, if it is so easy; then we got a bigger problem than just a corrupt DOJ.
Leland,
There is no doubt that we have far greater problems than corrupt DOJ. Which does not lessen its threat to the Republic.
“The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the presidency.
It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president.
The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America.
Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool.
It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their president.” purported to have been said by then Czech President, Václav Klaus.
Whether correctly attributed or not, its astuteness remains.
This post in The Atlantic is a tour de force of the Democrat narrative about All Things Trump, culminating in the Righteous Indignation of the January 6 Committee Hearings.
Reading around the spin, you can tell what they really want to do: de-legitimize any opposition by Republicans, Trump or otherwise.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/06/jan-6-committee-asking-more-american-public/661269/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=atlantic-daily-newsletter&utm_content=20220615
Their mission: to rectify the disappointing reaction to the Mueller Report, which by golly PROVED Trump was guilty guilty guilty, and impose the penalties of the two impeachments in which he should have been convicted.
To save Our Democracy.
Kind of channeling Barry’s capitals here, but it’s That Kind of Post.
Because it all sounds so convincing.
IF you never watch anything but CNN, you have no idea what the author is omitting, bending, and flat-out inventing.
Indeed, AF, you can feel the HATE—oops, I mean “UNITY”(!)… It’s ubiquitous. It’s palpable. You can cut it with a knife…
Meanwhile, the LIES keep coming!!
(Why, after all, should they stop?)
“Biden”‘s greatest “hits” (so far—they keep increasing “expodentially”!!)
“THE WORLD ACCORDING TO BIDEN”—
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/06/the-world-according-to-biden.php
As they are doing to totally stamp out opposition, and it’s been quite wide trying to have congressman ineligible to run from office again, 0 Dark Thirty raids on Trump people and gyned up charges on 800 Jan 6 they think will be done to them if Trump returns and as a lame duck with vengeance.
They are deathly afraid and should be for crimes they committed since 2016.
On DOJ, though done before Eric Holder took to new heights the selective prosecution of enemies and looking away at crimes from friends.
Will Ray Epps be called to testify? And how can you have an “insurrection” with no weapons?
At least we finally know who’s running the country.
“Hunter Claims On Audio That He Pulls Joe’s Strings”—
https://victorygirlsblog.com/hunter-claims-on-audio-that-he-pulls-joes-strings/
Yep, it’s all beginning to make sense…
(And what a relief to find out that it’s not Joe….)
Good to know our trade policy is based on Let’s Make a (coke) Deal.
And just a reminder…
“January 6 for Non-Dummies”—
https://amgreatness.com/2022/06/13/january-6-for-non-dummies/
Key word:
“headfake”
Key graf (RTWT):
“…A well-oiled fog machine operated by the Department of Justice, congressional Democrats, NeverTrumpers, and the national news media is once again pumping lie after lie into the body politic in a last-gasp attempt to destroy Trump and the powerful political movement he created….”
Scott, I’d take it one step further …
Even imprisoning Mr. Trump at all could spark the start of Civil War II.
Because many among us will see incarceration – or assassination – of Trump as evidence of what JimNorCal described, and think they have nothing left to lose by going kinetic when the powers that be have taken him out of the way.
There are several people I know, and considerably more I know of, who have foreclosed any appeal to law, fairness and justice as regards themselves should the get crossways with the powerful.
“I don’t care….something something….”
Musk is looking more and more impressive:
‘Elon Musk Slams Twitter’s “Bias Against Half The Country” & Alleged Inaction On Death Threats To Conservative User’—
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/elon-musks-slams-twitters-bias-against-half-country-alleged-inaction-death-threats
Interesting “changer” article…on how hard it is to deprogram from woke-ism..
“Deprogramming From The Cult Of Wokeism: A Former SJW Speaks Up”—
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/deprogramming-cult-wokeism-former-sjw-speaks
It’s pretty well know around here that I dislike Donald Trump. Even given Democrats’ election shenanigans in 2020, I think that his behavior after the election, and on January 6 in particular, was a total disgrace. In my mind, the man isn’t fit to hold the office of dog catcher.
That said, I am not at all persuaded that he committed a crime. I also strongly believe that indicting him would do incredible damage to our justice system at a time when we really can’t afford any more hits to the rule of law. The only criminal statutes that I’ve seen mentioned are broad obstruction-type statues that depend on the subjective intent of the actor and for which guilt or innocence would be very much in the eye of the beholder. I have no doubt that a DC, MD, or northern VA jury would convict Trump on all counts. I also have no doubt that, for about half the country, this would completely destroy any remaining credibility that the justice system may have, especially as the folks behind the Russian collusion hoax are either acquitted by DC juries or never tried. I don’t think that Garland and his staff understand this at all. If I had to wager, I would put money on them indicting and winning a conviction.
In addition to severely damaging the justice system, a Trump indictment and conviction might actually help the Trump/MAGA movement. Making some assumptions on timing, I think it is doubtful that Trump would be able to complete an appeal in time to run in 2024. That would clear the way for someone like DeSantis, who is younger, more effective, and less polarizing than Trump. (And bonus – he would not be a lame duck on the day he takes office.)
“….would do incredible damage to our justice system at a time when we really can’t afford any more hits to the rule of law.”
One problem though: The American justice system is ALREADY almost fatally compromised by Democratic Party hyperpartisan sabotage.
They dont care about that
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/06/14/un-new-funding-for-fossil-fuel-exploration-and-production-infrastructure-is-delusional/
It’s pretty well know around here that I dislike Donald Trump. Even given Democrats’ election shenanigans in 2020, I think that his behavior after the election, and on January 6 in particular, was a total disgrace. In my mind, the man isn’t fit to hold the office of dog catcher.
And your idea of who is fit is just who?
The delusional leading the delusional….
Compare and contrast:
“Biden Sends Threat-Letters To Big Oil: Help Ease “Putin Price Hike” Or Face Our Tools”—
https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/biden-sends-threat-letters-big-oil-help-alleve-putin-price-hike-or-face-our-tools
And here’s the Sec. Gen. of the U.N. (AKA His Dubious Excellency, the Pope of the International Church of Untruths)
https://www.un.org/sg/en/content/sg/statement/2022-06-14/secretary-generals-video-message-the-sixth-austrian-world-summit
Looks like the WEF is putting on a full court press!
Meanwhile, to pound home the point:
Following in the footsteps of that LNG terminal explosion, near Houston, we have ANOTHER “mysterious” explosion at a food plant….
From April: https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/18-food-processing-plants-have-burned-down-in-the-last-several-months-wonder-what-is-going-on
And some pushback:
“…No, greedy oil companies are not to blame for gas prices”—
https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/roth-gas-prices-explained
Bauxite still chasing his only squirrel.
Someone has to,
Brandon has a cabinet full of tools.
And staff
https://www.theblaze.com/news/symone-sanders-insurrection-martial-law
Trump should finance the showing of the murder of Ashli
Babbit in the capitol. Over and over.
At some point during the height of the daily anti-Trump “hair-on-fire” hysterics from our mainstream media I remember watching some female ‘deputy assistant to the deputy secretary’ panelist make the claim–with a straight face, mind you–that Trump had become a Russian asset because he wanted to build a Trump Hotel next to the Kremlin & make it the “flagship hotel” of his empire. Not NY, not Miami, not Las Vegas, not even Dubai…Moscow. That’s when I knew these people had lost their minds.
yes thats nuts, trump was probably the last one in the world, to get a deal in russia, you forget there are some people who almost salivate at the death of ashley babbit, lindsay graham is one, mind you neither she nor rosalynn boyland were threats to anyone, in fact the burly men around her, were not shot down, so there is something else going on here
“…rosalynn boyland…”
Actually, there was an interview with a Black guy and friend of Boyland—Philip Anderson, by name—who was next to Rosalynn Boyland in that crush of people being clubbed in the tunnel. He said he was also beaten pretty badly and expected to die. Here’s the link:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/07/philip-anderson-capitol-police-killed-rosanne-boyland-know-holding-hand-died-audio/
The above article is linked to
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/09/exclusive-rosanne-boyland-beaten-female-officer-trampled-death-january-6th-video/
To review (this article is from April 30 2022):
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/new-jan-6-bodycam-videos-show-dc-police-officer-assaulting-unconscious-protester
“New Jan. 6 Bodycam Videos Show DC Police Officer Assaulting Unconscious Protester”—
Key grafs:
“A District of Columbia police officer used a large wooden stick to strike the body and head of protester Rosanne Boyland three times as she lay motionless on the ground on Jan. 6, 2021, according to bodycam footage from several officers obtained by The Epoch Times.
“Use-of-force expert Stanley Kephart, upon reviewing the previously unreleased footage, concluded that the three full-force blows by D.C. police officer Lila Morris constituted a felony assault with intent to cause great bodily harm….”
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All above links should be contrasted with this NY Post article, published Jan. 8, 2021 (just two after Jan. 6) and containing the quickly-issued “official” (at that point) comments:
https://nypost.com/2021/01/08/rosanne-boyland-woman-killed-in-dc-riots-was-trampled-by-crowd/
Should add that the video in the Zerohedge link is absolutely shocking…so discretion is advised.
Barry Meislin:
To be blunt, I don’t find Gateway Pundit to be a reliable source all the time or even much of the time. And I haven’t covered the “Boyland was beaten to death” story, even though I’ve known about it for quite a while, because I don’t think it’s true.
Just to take one example, not long after the January 6th riots, I read reports, including this Daily Mail article, based on interviews with the friend she came to DC with that day, who was with her the whole time (documented by video). His name is Justin Winchell and he is next to her when she died. He had a lot to say about what happened, and he never mentions a beating. Initially he thought she was probably trampled, but that makes sense because I think what actually happened was that she collapsed due to the drug reaction and then there probably were some people stepping on her in the crush, but her cause of death was actually a reaction to the drugs. Winchell would not have perceived that at the time, but it was revealed in the autopsy.
Now, you may not believe that, but I think it’s the most likely scenario. I repeat, Winchell was her good friend and he never mentioned her being beaten.
On the other hand, Philip Anderson has told different stories. He did not know her but was near her in the tunnel. In an article from January of 2022, this was Philip Anderson’s story at the time:
The man in the blue hoodie whom Anderson is describing there is Justin Winchell, as documented in the Daily Mail article.
Neither Winchell nor Anderson mentioned any beatings in earlier interviews – why not?
Here’s an attempt by Newsweek to explain the videos. On the whole, I think the videos are misleading, but my doubt about the beating story is based more on comparing the original interviews to Anderson’s later story, as well as my observation that Gateway Pundit often posts inflammatory but untrue allegations.
“Perhaps the House will decide to impeach Trump for the third time”
Schiff and Raskin as prosecutors: If at first you don’t succeed, fail, fail again.
So did she did she die of a drug overdose or something else is the capitol police responsible
Apres les deluge
https://mobile.twitter.com/alexthechick/status/1537404101901918209
miguel cervantes:
I believe she had some sort of cardiovascular issue and collapsed from the drug, and then the crowd size and crush may have made it hard to get help for her. I’m not sure she could have been helped in any case, but the circumstances made it more difficult. Her autopsy indicated nothing that would indicate she was either trampled to death or beaten to death. I don’t pretend to know for sure, but this guy Anderson has told different stories and the guy who really was with her has never mentioned beatings. So I don’t give the beating story any credit.
Late to the commenting party, but after watching some of this morning’s hearings (at least as much as I could stand), I would have to say, yes, they are making trying to make a case for Garland to pursue criminal charges against President Trump.
We’re getting to the crux of their case with the vilification of Dr Eastwood’s assertion that VP Pence had the authority under the Electoral Count Act to send the electors from the contested states back to their legislators to reconcile the electors certified by the state’s governor.
The position of the committee and those testifying that he didn’t and it was a ridiculous theory that he did, and when President Trump cajoled VP Pence to send the electors back to the states amounted to criminal obstruction and a threat.
I read the ECA of 1887, and my very non-legal reading led me to the conclusion that the act gave the governor of the state the final authority to ascertain the electors, and the controversy over which slate of electors should be sent needed to be decided at the state level.
If that’s true, Pence really did not have the authority to send the electors back to the states.
Now, the constitution does not disallow a person with a felony from running for president, or even running from his jail cell, so we might have a new precedent to set in this country!
While this was happening back in 2021, I thought once Pence made it clear he wasn’t going to try this novel theory– the election was decided and President Trump should have dropped it.