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  1. this is PA and there could be cheating by Democrats in the big cities.
    ________

    Could be?

  2. Eeyore:

    I’ll revise that to “could be enough cheating by Democrats in the big cities to make a difference in the result.”

  3. From an American perspective, the most important element of the unfortunate conflict in Ukraine is the bipartisan consensus of DC’s swamp about the necessity (more important than any domestic concern) of sending countless billions (with little debate or oversight) overseas while speaking publicly of “regime change” in Russia and encouraging the prolonging of a quagmire/stalemate, with ever more casualties, in the hope that Russia will, at some point, be completely weakened and rendered powerless. It is noteworthy that almost the entire non-Western world regards the situation rather differently than what is presented by our media.

  4. j e:

    And the non-Western world’s opinion is now some sort of standard to be emulated?

    Plus, I’ve heard that assertion before – that the non-Western world disagrees with Western policy – but I don’t even think it’s all that true. For example, the UN General Assembly, an organization dominated in terms of numbers by the non-Western world, voted by a huge margin in favor of Ukraine:

    During its 11th Emergency Special Session, 193 Member States adopted a resolution – drafted by Ukraine and 90 co-sponsors entitled Humanitarian consequences of the aggression against Ukraine – with 140 votes in favour, five against – Russia, Syria, The Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (more commonly known as North Korea), Eritrea and Belarus – and 38 others abstaining.

    Even China doesn’t seem all too happy about what Russia is doing these days, and even Belarus – very much under the sway of Russia – is pulling back:

    In a fresh blow to Vladimir Putin, the Russian dictator’s closest ally Alyaksandr Lukashenka has declared that the invasion of Ukraine is not going according to plan and should be brought to an end as soon as possible.

    India’s opinion is influenced by the fact that both the US and Russia are big suppliers of weapons to that country:

    ndia has strategic partnerships with both Russia and the US and the two warring powers are also respectively the first and second largest vendors of arms to it, which, in turn, is the world’s second largest importer of weaponry, after Saudi Arabia. And it is primarily their recognition of India as a coveted customer that is the basis of their strategic partnerships.

  5. The Hillary story to me screams modified limited hangout.

    Admit to passing along the story with the idea that it would be “verified” by journalists.

    Knowing full well it would not be in anything other than a cursory way. And I think that is the most generous interpretation of the events. I think many knew it was crap and figured they had enough cover to keep the pretense up anyway.

    But admitting all this now accomplishes several things. First it makes it go away in the most expedient way possible. Especially now that it is safe to do so.

    Their story limits her liability both legally and publicly. She can now point to records indicating that she simply wanted this “vetted” by supposedly impartial press. Therefore slander is not a possibility. And she can also give the press a reason to not cover the story. And a pass for their own malfeasance by playing to their vanity of standing up to corruption. Even though it is obviously bullshit.

    The fact that this entire thing dragged on for 3 years. And was a daily topic that entire time. Based on the WORDS of officials and operatives. And almost no actual documentation. Is simply amazing. And yet they are happy to believe these same sources now (Schiff for example). Simply clues you into the game.

  6. “I’ll revise that to “could be enough cheating by Democrats in the big cities to make a difference in the result.””

    And that, I think depends on how badly they want the Senate seat versus PA’s electoral votes in two years. I think that they still have the wherewithal to haul in tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of bogus votes into Philadelphia, but I doubt that they can do it without it getting extensively video recorded and documented.

  7. After Sussman gets convicted, will her rat out Hillary in return for a lighter sentence?

  8. I went to the math is hard link you provided.

    Math is not that hard. Attention to detail, thorough reviews and many eyes result in accuracy. That said, another group of idiots are unable to come up with an accurate model. Usually the idiots don’t understand that models only tell you what you design them to tell you. But this exceptional group of idiots, to some measure, are responsible for our recent oil price increases.

    Back where I come from you would find yourself suddenly doing much less important, and likely much less interesting work.

  9. Cornhead:

    We can wish, but my money is on his refusing to rat out anyone else. Wouldn’t he have done it by now if he were open to the thought?

  10. After Sussman gets convicted, will her rat out Hillary in return for a lighter sentence?

    See Jonathan Turley’s column today. The judge has allowed the jury to be stacked with several Hellary contributors and a young woman with a one-degree-of-separation relationship with the defense counsel. (If there were any justice in this country, someone would be auditing the work of the clerks responsible for jury pool assembly).

  11. India has a billion people, food and fuel are kind of important to them, they were allied with Iraq, if memory serves, during the Gulf War

    Frank Foer who published the story was a full service fusion funnel, they dumped the whole manafort file, in his lap, which suggested to me, a possible motive, deripasha, was urked that manafort was living up high, while his aluminum shares, were undervalued during the recession, so using steele was his revenge,

    the BOEM was this Soviet style apparat that arose out of the Deepwater horizon, as an excuse to prevent off shore drilling, which is our way of putting petrostates on notice,

    Oz, always gives me hives, It’s regretable that the powers that be forced Sean Parnell out of the race,

  12. Banned Lizard, Vlad is making Eastern Europe safe for Roosia? Stealing resources for the oligarchs?

    Hurrah for Vlad, defender of all that is Roosian! Time will tell.

    Another useless tool.

  13. no joke, as the shambling heap put forth, obama put a justice department apparatchik in charge, michael bromwich, if memory serves, last time a major spill served his function, and schwab’s now a war in the caucasus,

  14. If the Ukraine Warwas a prize fight, the Russian manager might be considering throwing in the towel. Since it’s likely that Putin doesn’t know how bad it really is, the war will continue.

    I see the images of destruction on the TV and wonder what Putin is thinking. If he succeeds in getting control of the eastern provinces, what has he got? A pile of rubble and a hostile and/or demoralized population. And how many billions of Rubles to rebuild? It.Makes.No.Sense. But it certainly is in keeping with the loss of common sense that seems to be afoot in many places these days.

    And speaking of loss of common sense, the Democrat Climate Cultists want to destroy the fossil fuel industry. And replace it with what? A mythical belief that wind and solar power can replace fossil fuels. Based on what? A belief that “technology” will somehow figure out a way to circumvent the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Beware! That way lies starvation, suffering, and pre-mature death.

    The awful truth is that Sussman, who Durham has proven to be guilty beyond a shadow of doubt, may walk. It’s a DC jury, with Democrat donors. Not good. And, even if found guilty, the judge may let him off easy. Community service and a fine? Roger Stone was arrested by a swat team and sent to prison for lying to the Congress. Equal justice? Nope.

    The competitive primary in PA may be a bad thing. Lots of violations of the 11th Commandment (Speak no ill of a fellow Republican.). Such character assassination often lingers on to the general. Though OZ may not be the perfect MAGA candidate, he is surely a far better choice than Fetterman. I hope Republicans will unite and support whoever the nominee is. My guess is that there will be the usual “irregularities” in Philly and other Democrat strongholds. Hopefully, the GOP in PA has a plan to expose it or even stop it. We’ll see.

  15. it serves the creepy bond villain, nato is all in the great reset, if you know how siege warfare in this part of the world turns out, back in the 14th century it brought the black plague to europe,

  16. Paul in Boston:

    There’s nothing different about that take on Ukraine. I’ve been hearing that type of thing, and variations on the theme, on a daily basis since the invasion.

    None of them have panned out so far, and in my judgment they all go way too far in their efforts to counter the usual “narrative.”

  17. no one wins in this war, everyone loses, ‘the greater the pain, the greater the suffering’* in this engagement,

    *it comes from the last mission impossible film, where the villain, a deep state actor, leads a group of nihilist international colleagues, in this case employing nuclear weapons to cause regional calamity,

    Klinesmith got away with the equivalent of a parking ticket, even when convicted,
    most of the other perkins and coie partners are protected by chinas largesse,

  18. For me and at the risk of being called ‘another useless tool’ the question is not whether we should support Ukraine, we should, but whether we should be giving them $53 billion (13 earlier and now 40 more). I heard Sen Hawley today state that is more than Ukraine’s entire budget just a few years ago and way more than the EU is giving them and this is not just military aid this is for rebuilding also. And we all know how corrupt Ukraine has been for ages so I can only imagine how much of that will wasted, stolen, etc.

    Why in the hell is that our responsibility?

  19. No, Vlad is now just feinting towards ultimate victory along the entire Black Sea coast and the Donbass.

    Mariopol has been feinted into a future destination resort for Roosian oligarchs.

    Rambles amid the rubble, nothing left to steal.

  20. A useless tool is someone who rationalizes Vlad’s actions for months on end. War should always be inexpensive, effecient, and done to schedule, right?

  21. so miss disinfo’s term paper is being overseen by jamie gorelick, the mistress of disaster from fannie mae to bp, and michael chertoff partnered with financiers behind 9/11 and flacking for Russian oligarchs,

  22. om,

    Did I miss when we declared war on Russia?

    Do we have to finance every ally’s war?

    Why not just give them all are armaments then spend a bunch more to replace them all?

    When have we given them enough? $100 billion? $200 billion?

  23. Well, at least I’m not a useless tool because I have never rationalized Putin’s actions just wondered why this country seems to be so on the hook for dealing with his actions.

  24. Otay, but what about the UFOs, Miguel, and their connection to Q, WEF and Davos?

  25. i’m rightly cynical, because I’ve seen how many of these operations have ended, most recently in afghanistan, how many men and women, were killed and maimed, how much treasure was expended, in our own pashtun engagement, and what is the result today, turkey and qatar own lock stock and barrel, this ties into the other thread of political islam,

  26. Always ask open ended questions. Something about things that Putin has said and done seem, at least to me, to be threatening to the United States of America. Now that is an entirely different thing than the motives of the Brandon junta’s. The motives of the Brandon junta are evil and at present don’t align with Vlad’s, which probablly surprised Vlad. He thought Brandon was well and fully bought.

    Time will tell.

  27. I would say only the first question was open ended and it was more sarcastic because we obviously have not declared war on Russia.

    Really the fourth one is the one I would like to know the answer to.

  28. Griffin: “And we all know how corrupt Ukraine has been for ages so I can only imagine how much of that will wasted, stolen, etc.”

    I agree. Money for rebuilding should come after the war is over. Even then much will be stolen, but in the fog of war, it’s much easier to “divert” money.

    About 10 billion of the 40 billion is to rebuild the munitions that we have sent over already. (Money in the pockets of the weapons manufacturers.) Another 10 billion for lethal aid (for a total of 20 billion) should be enough for a while. How much are the other NATO nations putting up? It’s their back yard, they should be doing as much or more as we are.

    This whole mess is puzzling. Why didn’t Biden and NATO do more to head off the invasion before it happened? Maybe I’m naive, but I think more could have been done. Too late now. Thousands dead or wounded, billion$ in property damage, more billions spent on munitions, and for what? A bit of land in eastern Ukraine? To scare NATO? To de-Nazify Ukraine? To build Russia’s rep as a military power? It’s a failure so far.

  29. consider this is more than our first appropriation for iraq, the nineteenth anniversary of that expedition, passed almost unnoticed, chalabi was vilified, almost erased for bringing us to this point, but maliki he was kept on for eight years, like another of the babylonian kings are we replacing our own stores of weapons such a silly question,

    of course fetterman, is an evil homunculus, so the times celebrates him, he owns some of the blood price that shapiro and levine exerted on pennsylvania, for the next step, he wants to bring the horror nationwide, but oz is a target rich environment,

  30. 1) in the first linked article I found this of significance;

    “Ukraine has yet to demonstrate that it can force the Russian troops out of areas where Moscow chooses to remain strong.

    That’s a recipe for a long, hard slog that benefits no one and risks escalation to a broader conflict.

    I know I keep saying this, but it’s time for the Biden administration to stop yammering about regime change and pressing for the utter humiliation of Russia, and start working hard for a negotiated settlement.”

    No way is the Biden administration interested in ending its proxy war with Putin prematurely. As the entire goal of extending the war is to create the conditions that lead to Putin’s ouster.

    2) Sussman is the low hanging fruit. I’d be pleasantly shocked if Hillary ended up in the dock.

    3) Pure science always results in benefits.

    “The Webb team recently completed the first test to track a moving object.”

    Perhaps we’ll finally get some good pictures of the alien base on Mars 😉 https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/4f3c5e6de123db9de1be30a832e3a7fe

    4) just a rounding error…

    5) Oz’s “minuses are that conservatives find him too moderate” neo

    Despite his recent assertions, his actions demonstrate that Oz is not in the least a moderate. No member of the WEF is a moderate. He is a democrat pretending to be a republican. Part of the WEF’s continuing infiltration of the political power structure.

  31. neo asks j e,
    “And the non-Western world’s opinion is now some sort of standard to be emulated?” neo

    Certainly not a standard but arguably, an independent observer’s point of view.

    “the UN General Assembly, an organization dominated in terms of numbers by the non-Western world, voted by a huge margin in favor of Ukraine…”

    Self-interest has to be a significant motivation for many of those votes. The sanctions are hurting many countries, some severely; “Thousands of people queued for cooking gas and petrol in Sri Lanka’s commercial capital on Friday and Prime Minister Ranil Wickremesinghe warned of a food shortage as the island nation battles a devastating economic crisis.”
    https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/we-are-going-die-food-shortages-add-sri-lankas-woes-2022-05-20/

    Plus, no smaller nation can be comfortable with a great power attacking a smaller power. It continues a bad precedent.

    India’s strategic partnerships with both Russia and the US are directly related to China.

  32. No way is the Biden administration interested in ending its proxy war with Putin prematurely. As the entire goal of extending the war is to create the conditions that lead to Putin’s ouster.

    Ukraine’s goal is to induce the Russian troops to pack up their equipment and leave.

  33. Why didn’t Biden and NATO do more to head off the invasion before it happened? Maybe I’m naive, but I think more could have been done.

    What?

    The invasion was step 1 in Putin’s effort to reassemble the Soviet Union and its satellite set, excluding perhaps some low rent territories in Central Asia. Those 10 countries Lavrov demanded be expelled from NATO are what they want.

  34. re #4 – basing policy on a ‘computer model’ is simple idiocy. I worked with computers for over 4 decades and ‘computer models’ have so many points of failure as to be essentially worthless.

    Of course the whole AGW hysteria industry is based on a ‘computer model’. Which explains why the Glaciers in Montana still exist years after the date that the ‘model’ proved that they would melt.

    meh

  35. Geoffrey:

    Vlad just feinted away from Kyiv and Kharkiv? A lot of dead soldiers, a feinted cruiser, destroyed equipment, destroyed civilian property, dead civilians (de-Nazied?) for his little Roosia ruse.

    Time will tell.

    Keep the spin going. It’s what you do.

    Useless.

  36. Bruce Hayden,

    Given the 2020 election, extensive video recording and documentation of electoral fraud in PA may not be much of a concern for the Left.

    Art Deco,

    “(If there were any justice in this country, someone would be auditing the work of the clerks responsible for jury pool assembly)’

    As you pointed out, the Judge allowed it, he bears the responsibility. The clerks are the low hanging fruit.

    Banned Lizard,

    When considering nonsensical responses, remember it is the tried and true response of the impotent.

    “Speak sense to a fool and he calls you foolish! Euripides

    “When the debate is lost, the loser resorts to slander”… Socrates

    JJ,

    “I see the images of destruction on the TV and wonder what Putin is thinking. If he succeeds in getting control of the eastern provinces, what has he got? A pile of rubble and a hostile and/or demoralized population. And how many billions of Rubles to rebuild? It.Makes.No.Sense.”

    If you reject the rationale that posits that NATO upon Russia’s Ukrainian border is, from the point of Russian national security concerns, an existential and intolerable national security threat… then it indeed makes no sense. If you accept it as an entirely understandable for any country in that position, then NATO unable to establish itself upon Russia’s Ukrainian border makes eminent sense.

    Of course, NATO i.e. the Biden Administration is upping the ante by welcoming Finland into its embrace. Finland’s desire is understandable, that it ups what we see as Russian paranoia and which they have to see as an increase in the existential national security threat is the resultant consequence.

    BTW, the images of destruction on the TV have a large dose of propagandist exaggeration. Many of them have been discovered to be false. Russia has, to its credit tried to limit its destruction of civilian infrastructure.

    om shares, https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/20/mountains-grain-left-rot-vladimir-putin-blackmails-world/

    That’s bad but its OK when we do it to them cause they’re the bad guys! As always, simplistic jingoistic analysis.

    “no one wins in this war, everyone loses, ‘the greater the pain, the greater the suffering’* in this engagement” miguel cervantes

    The West’s global leadership fully intends to come out of this the winner. Those meeting soon in Davos are not concerned that they might lose.

    Griffin asks, “Why in the hell is that our responsibility?”

    It’s all in service of a better world, a New World Order. To make an omelet, eggs must be broken and the Ukraine is the egg.

    BTW, a useless tool is someone who rationalizes only one side’s actions for months on end.

  37. Geoffrey carries Vlad’s water willfully while fixating on the nebulous shadowdy post human/machine monsters of the WEF. They are undoubtablly living under his bed and in his head.

    Sorry Geoffrey, when I look up useless tool (aka rationalizer for Vlad and apologist) there you are standing proud.

  38. “the National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS) — the subagency tasked with analyzing the impact of offshore drilling projects on wildlife — has used faulty modeling on such impacts and, as a result, overestimated wildlife effects, delaying permitting on existing leases.”

    Gee, let’s see. A new administration comes in and suddenly permitting falls off a cliff, something that is instantly comparable to decades of past permitting records, including their risk assessments. Now, does that sound like a math error that would go unchallenged by companies spending a fortune on leases they can’t work, or does that sound like someone in authority issuing a cute policy decision from an Energy Secretary who came into office with a video single called, “Let’s Leave It In the Ground”? A math error to grant Seismic Permits. Won’t someone start bitch-slapping these people please?

  39. A very different take on the state of the war in Ukraine

    Russia seized 22 of the Ukraine’s 106 most populous towns and cities in 2014. Of the remaining 84, Russia has managed to seize six in the last 85 days. (Kherson, Mariupol, Izyum, Rubizhne, Melitopol, Berdiansk).

  40. om,

    You do realize we are all nobodies commenting on the internet, right?

    We are all ‘useless tools’ when it comes to this or any other major issue.

  41. Geoffrey Britain:

    Failure to agree with another point view doesn’t mean that point of view hasn’t been looked at and considered.

    And yes, countries have all sorts of reasons for voting as they did. The truth is that Russia has very very few allies in this.

  42. Who is destroying the egg of Ukraine Geoffrey? Would that be Roosia led by Vlad the Restorer and De-Nazifier? Or in Geoffrey spin land is NATO and essentially all the West sending armed forces into Ukraine and atacking?

    Not a trick question. Spin and sophistry may ensue.

  43. Griffin:

    You do realize that on the internet no one knows you (and I) are a dog?

    Useless idiot was an earlier incantation of a useless tool. A tool parrots the rationalizations of the Roosian despot IMO.

  44. Nebulous who designed the lockdown strategy that destroyed millions of lives all around the world and still killed millions of people who has orchestrated this jihad against fossil fuels whose first canary is sri lanka thats just two examples that come to mind

  45. om,

    I thought it was ‘useful idiot’ meaning someone stupid or naive but helpful to a cause?

    But, whatever, even if Geoffrey or anyone totally supported Ukraine nothing would be any different in their conflict. They are ‘useless’ because they have no role in the conflict.

    Aren’t those who support Ukraine therefore ‘useless supporters’?

    I just have never bought the name calling style of argument because in my experience it never results in anything positive.

    But, anyway, you and I have agreed on a lot of things the last few years and we differ somewhat on this but I don’t think you are a ‘useless tool’. Just someone who has a different opinion.

  46. When quote marks are placed around some statement attributed to Socrates (statements too frequently bogus sad to say) I think to myself ‘just who is being quoted here?’ It surely isn’t Socrates since he famously wrote not a word; so is it Aristophanes, Xenophon or Plato? These are the only writers contemporary to Socrates who both heard him speak in person and wrote something about him, and some portion of whose works have survived to come down to us. It would be better then, I think, if some direct citation were to accompany any use of attribution to Socrates. Or make no such attribution at all. At least with a citation (play [line], book [chapter, page], dialog [Stephanus number], etc.) we might have a guess as to what’s going on with that.

  47. Geoffrey Britain:

    Oz is not “a member” of the WEF. He gave some presentations there two decades ago and one decade ago, all having to do with health concerns (he is a doctor) such as these. As far as I can determine he’s had little or nothing to do with them since 2012. The Great Reset was a later development.

    Here’s another hidden leftist who’s appeared at the WEF, much more recently: Benjamin Netanyahu.

  48. Useless idiot is a term created by V I Lenin, but you know that.

    Geoffrey is not an idiot, but much in the same fashion as a UI, has chosen to rationalize the Roosian perspective for months now. A tool of the Russian Federation, IMO.

  49. The so called intelligence community is so motivated to keep out a reformer that engages in criminal fraud abetted by the legal media alliance that forms a syzgy

    The bureaucracy is so hell bent on strangling our domestic energy that ir engages in fraud which has brought us to ruin and the brink of all out war

  50. If Putin only had a few more tools like Geoffrey then… nothing would be any different than it is right now.

  51. Geoffery B.: “If you reject the rationale that posits that NATO upon Russia’s Ukrainian border is, from the point of Russian national security concerns, an existential and intolerable national security threat… then it indeed makes no sense.”

    Sorry to disagree, Geoffery, but I do reject that rationale. Why? Because NATO is a defensive alliance. They have never threatened to invade Russia that I’m aware of. On the other hand, Putin has publicly stated his desire to bring former Russian satellite countries back into the Russian Empire. That sort of stated idea, followed by an armed invasion of one of those countries, is not the same as an alliance to defend against such an invasion. And now, look what Putin has got – a fairly powerful neighbor, Finland, who has decided they need to join the defensive alliance. The opposite of what he wanted.

    You say Putin worries about a missile in the Ukraine. But a missile in Poland is only 14 minutes from Moscow. A minute closer in Kiev. No, IMO Putin’s not really worried about being attacked by NATO. He just wants, like some deranged empire builder, to get the Russian Empire back.

    What he has done has been a catastrophe for the Ukrainian people and has made Russia a pariah nation. (Except for a few of the usual dictatorships and India, which is walking a tightwire.)

    My evidence that the war is going badly for Russia is that American congress people have been visiting Kiev like tourists. If it was dangerous, they would not be there – especially not Pelosi and Mitch McConnell. Also, Fox pulled their reporters out of Kiev and Kharkiv for a time. They’re back now and not reporting as many shellings, bombings, and air raid warnings. Just anecdotal evidence though. Russia may be, as Col. Doug McGregor opined (about two months ago), setting a trap for the cream of the Ukrainian army. We’ll see.

  52. Correction:

    V I Lenin coined the phrase “Useful Idiots,” not Useless Idiots.

    Trying to change Geoffrey’s positions regarding Ukraine and Roosia has been useless. Implacable and inconvincible

    Regarding the evil alliance from the bowels of hell (aka NATO in Geoffrey land) here is a cdrslamanderblogspot.com posting from Wednesday 5/18/2022

    https://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/

    Wednesday, May 18, 2022
    Turkey Skunks the NATO Party

    “For old NATO hands like your humble blogg’r, this is a great moment. Though they were not NATO, you could find in most NATO HQs and operations, including Afghanistan, Finns and Swedes. Superb professionals and friends. To see them come fully in to the fold is just plain right – not just from a security perspective, but on a baseline of NATO’s common values and shared baseline respect for the rule of law and liberty. They are great nations for those who value Western civilization. …”

    Sal states the Turkey under Erdogan doesn’t seem to share western values, and a reckoning may be in the offing. Sal having served with Turkish officers pre-Erdogan. What would he know?

    I know “NATO’s common values and shared baseline respect for the rule of law and liberty.” That just can’t be true, Geoffrey said so.

    Useless tool.

  53. We have declared regime change as a goal there are a host of examples yugoslavia is the least toxic of course that happened because they didnt have nukes

  54. Neo:
    Like many of my countrymen, I hope and yearn for our focus to shift back to our dire domestic concerns, not the least of which is the blatant illegitimacy of the Potato administration. A fringe benefit of that shift would be the avoidance of a nuclear exchange with Russia.

    On the other hand, perhaps we are thinking too small by sending a paltry 40 billion to Ukraine. Perhaps a trillion or two would work better, and then we could move on? I’d hate to kill the economy deader than it already is, but the nuclear thing seems ominously final.

  55. It was a sad day when Watterson decided to stop drawing Calvin and Hobbes.

    A book by Shulz and Watterson? That is astounding AesopFan!

    If we only give Vlad what he wants maybe he will go away. Otay. By the short ones.

  56. Tuvea….”re #4 – basing policy on a ‘computer model’ is simple idiocy. I worked with computers for over 4 decades and ‘computer models’ have so many points of failure as to be essentially worthless.”

    It depends on the model and on what is being modeled. The stress analysis of a building is basically a mathematical model. So is the prediction of the flight of a missile.

    A model to predict the impact of drilling on wildlife sounds questionable In any case, models used for public-policy purposes should always be required to have their source code and documentation released along with a statement of assumptions and grounds for those assumptions.

  57. Art Deco:

    Evidence that the 9/11 hijackers were financed by others during their training:

    Days later, Shehhi, Jarrah and Atta ended up in Venice, Florida. Atta and Shehhi established accounts at SunTrust Bank and received wire transfers from Ali Abdul Aziz Ali, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed’s nephew in the United Arab Emirates. On July 6, 2000, Atta, Jarrah and Shehhi enrolled at Huffman Aviation in Venice, where they entered the Accelerated Pilot Program….

    [In the summer of 2001 several of the hijackers went to Spain] The absence of other hotel stays, signed receipts or credit card stubs has led investigators to believe that the men may have met in a safe house provided by other al-Qaeda operatives in Spain. There, Atta and bin al-Shibh held a meeting to complete the planning of the attacks. Several clues have been found to link their stay in Spain to Syrian-born Imad Eddin Barakat Yarkas (Abu Dahdah), and Amer el Azizi, a Moroccan in Spain. They may have helped arrange and host the meeting in Tarragona…

    See also this:

    To plan and conduct their attack, the 9/11 plotters spent somewhere between $400,000 and $500,000, the vast majority of which was provided by al Qaeda. Although the origin of the funds remains unknown, extensive investigation has revealed quite a bit about the financial transactions that supported the 9/11 plot. The hijackers and their financial facilitators used the anonymity provided by the huge international and domestic financial system to move and store their money through a series of unremarkable transactions…

    The best available evidence indicates that approximately $300,000 was deposited into the hijackers’ bank accounts in the United States by a variety of means. Just prior to the flights, the hijackers returned about $26,000 to one of their al Qaeda facilitators and attempted to return another $10,000, which was intercepted by the FBI after 9/11. Their primary expenses consisted of tuition for flight training, living expenses (room, board and meals, vehicles, insurance, etc.), and travel (for casing flights, meetings, and the September 11 flights themselves). The FBI believes that the funds in the bank accounts held by the hijackers were sufficient to cover their expenses.145 The FBI, therefore, believes it has identified all sources of funding…

    Al Qaeda funded the hijackers in the United States by three primary and unexceptional means: (1) wire or bank-to-bank transfers from overseas to the United States, (2) the physical transportation of cash or traveler’s checks into the United States, and (3) the use of debit or credit cards to access funds held in foreign financial institutions. Once here, all the hijackers used the U.S. banking system to store their funds and facilitate their transactions.

    The hijackers received assistance in financing their activities from two facilitators based in the United Arab Emirates: Ali Abdul Aziz Ali, a.k.a. Ammar al Baluchi (Ali), and Mustafa al Hawsawi.

  58. sdferr,

    Its true that quote is an attribution by one of the three writers you cite. The accuracy of that attribution may indeed be questionable but the accuracy of the sentiment has stood the test of time. Today, slander is used more than in prior times, slander being the go to tactic of the left. I consider noting its questionable attribution to be counterproductive because that will inevitably introduce a lessening of its impact.

    JJ,

    “NATO is a defensive alliance.”

    Surely you’re familiar with “passive aggression”?

    As I have repeatedly pointed out, NATO’s claim to be a defensive alliance doesn’t matter because from the standpoint of national security, intent can change so only capability matters. So whether NATO would ever attack Russia is irrelevant. No great power can tolerate a potential aggressor having the capability to render that great power incapable of defending itself.

    “a missile in Poland is only 14 minutes from Moscow. A minute closer in Kiev.”

    That seemed questionable, so I did some quick research.

    Bialystok Poland is the closest city to Moscow from Poland’s eastern border, it is 980 km air miles from Moscow.
    Shostka, Ukraine is the closest city to Moscow from Ukraine’s eastern border, which is 524.75 air miles to Moscow.

    Of NATO’s published inventory of nuclear capable cruise missiles the AGM-158B JASSM-ER just has the range to reach Moscow from Poland. It’s speed is subsonic, so at a speed of 750 mph it would take 1.3 hours to reach Moscow. From the Ukraine border, it would take 41 minutes to reach Moscow. Giving Russia 39 minutes less time to detect and respond to an attack from the Ukraine vs Poland..

    Again, strategically it is vulnerability and capability that matters, not intent.

  59. Art Deco:

    I agree that it’s not what he means.

    I just wanted to clear up the fact that there WERE financiers.

  60. Its “impact” can’t but be lessened facially on account of its dubitability, seems to me. And at this point ya may as well cough up the source, since refusal to do so adds to that doubtfulness. If the proposition is sound, one can only wonder, why hide the ball? I can’t think of a reason, nor do I think the “Socrates” of Plato would either.

  61. Geoffrey, that subsonic cruise missile is not the hypersonic nuclear wonder weapon of doom, secretly controlled by the WEF (Klaus Schwab from Davos)?

    13 minutes man, 13 minutes. It seems like a lifetime since you dragged that dead pony out.

    You might want to watch that video about Finland, Sweden, NATO, and your man Vlad.

  62. Geoffrey Britain…”Of NATO’s published inventory of nuclear capable cruise missiles the AGM-158B JASSM-ER just has the range to reach Moscow from Poland. It’s speed is subsonic, so at a speed of 750 mph it would take 1.3 hours to reach Moscow. From the Ukraine border, it would take 41 minutes to reach Moscow. Giving Russia 39 minutes less time to detect and respond to an attack from the Ukraine vs Poland..”

    Now do the calculation for a ballistic missile.

  63. This just in from “Biden” world….
    “Biden Judicial Pick Lied About Cop Killings. Now She Claims She Didn’t.”
    https://freebeacon.com/courts/biden-judicial-pick-lied-about-cop-killings-now-she-claims-she-didnt/

    Seems like she’d make a perfect “Biden” judge…
    – – – – – – – –
    And in the Things Ain’t What They Seem Department:
    “Cotton, Gabbard Warn That Government ‘Ministry Of Truth’ Is Only On Pause”—
    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/cotton-gabbard-warn-government-ministry-truth-only-pause

  64. yes chertoff and gorelick are on the case, chertoff is very dodgy gorelick went from formally blocking bureau and company to the 9/11 commission, to using the info she gleaned from there, to represent a Saudi prince, whose bank had connections to Al Queda,

  65. david foster,

    Of course a ballistic missile is a different matter. Since a ballistic missile cannot fly nap of the earth it is detectable almost immediately and would result in quick retaliation. Which of course is what makes mutually assured destruction a deterrent.

  66. Does Geoffrey comprehend that Roosia has cruise missiles and hypersonic wonder weapons deployed? It appears not to be the case, he us too busy focusing on the threat (and potential threats) posed to Roosia by NATO; that offensive evil tool of the WEF.

    Sad and useless.

  67. Andrew McCarthy elucidates on the Mook Gambit.

    “Why Did Sussmann’s Attorneys Put Robby Mook on the Witness Stand?”—
    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/why-did-sussmanns-attorneys-put-robby-mook-on-the-witness-stand/
    Concluding graf (RTWL):
    “…The defense that Sussmann was hoping Robby Mook would prop up is a frivolous defense. But it is the defense that Sussmann is running with, because it’s all he’s got. Calling Mook was not irrational. But on net, it was a mistake.”

    …Keeping in mind that with the current Clintal-partial jury enabled (i.e., rammed through) by the so-called impartial judge, it is alas all too likely that it is SIMPLY NOT POSSIBLE for the defense to make a mistake….

    Hey, just another “Biden” scandal (to cover up just another Clinton scandal, to cover up just another Democratic Party scandal…ad nauseum).

  68. This is pretty much how it went for the USSR in WWII — they floundered for a couple years, until finally they got some good generals in place.

    The same thing happened to the North in The US Civil War — two years of bad results until finally Lincoln found Sherman and Grant.

    The story is that one of his earlier generals, McClellan, had the pomposity to sign his missives,
    “General George B. McClellan, Headquarters In The Saddle”.

    Which allegedly prompted Lincoln to quip,
    “The problem with this general is that his head quarters are where his hind quarters ought to be…”

    😛

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