Doxxer Taylor Lorenz thinks she’s the real victim
I haven’t followed this story and before today probably hadn’t even heard of Taylor Lorenz. But it’s quite a tale. This is what the WaPo has descended to (it’s not the only pernicious thing the WaPo has descended to, not by a longshot, but it’s pretty awful). The tweets at that link are by Glenn Greenwald, but here are a few excerpts:
F****** unbelievable: @TaylorLorenz, after sobbing on national TV 2 weeks ago, claiming she’s the victim of “harassment,” showed up at the house of the relatives of the citizen behind @libsoftiktok and badgered them, according to @libsoftiktok
The bullies claim to be bullied.
What’s the new journalistic principle being applied? Is it now permissible for journalists to investigate and expose the real identity of any anonymous social media user? Or is it just permissible if the anonymous social media user has a certain kind of politics?
Yes, liberals worship giant media corporations and think their resources shouldn’t be used against powerful institutions like the CIA or NSA or Pentagon but against private, anonymous citizens with bad politics. That’s what they think “journalism” is.
More here:
Lorenz, the former New York Times journalist [presently with the WaPo] who earlier this month broke down in tears on MSNBC while recounting “harassment” she has experienced online, published an article on Tuesday revealing the identity of the social media user…
In response to criticism that she targeted a private citizen who wished to remain anonymous, Lorenz tweeted that the social media user “isn’t just some average woman with a social media account” but is instead a “powerful influencer operating a massively impactful right wing media shaping discourse around LGBTQ+ rights.”…
In a segment that aired April 1 on MSNBC’s Meet the Press Daily, Lorenz revealed that online harassment targeting her and her family caused her to experience “severe PTSD” and contemplate suicide in the recent past.
MSNBC’s segment detailed how Fox News host Tucker Carlson ripped Lorenz in March 2021 for calling for an end to online harassment.
At the time, Lorenz, then a reporter for the New York Times, said she had endured a “smear campaign” that had “destroyed her life.”
Targeting private citizens, as well as sometimes doxxing them, is the new m.o. of the MSM and of the left. I’m trying to recall when this sort of thing started, and it seems to me that – like so many things that are bad – it began in 2008 during the Obama campaign. Wasn’t the first victim Joe the Plumber? At least, that’s my recollection.
It spread to involve minors with the Nick Sandmann incident, and was incredibly vicious and obviously mendacious to anyone who spent even a small amount of time researching the facts. The demonization and exposure of a 16-year-old minding his own business was extraordinary, and included “journalists”. Ultimately, the WaPo paid Sandmann money in a defamation suit settlement, but it apparently wasn’t enough money to hurt them very much.
ADDENDUM: Here’s what Libs of Tik Tok does, by the way:
The account “Libs of TikTok” is a treasure trove of content that gathers and posts bizarre videos from radical leftists and protected groups that fall under their intersectional umbrella. They don’t edit it in any way, they just rip and post. The most they add is a little blurb for the tweet.
They don’t need to add anything, anyway. The content speaks for itself…
It shouldn’t be a surprise that the left is horrified by its own ideas being exposed to the world in such a way, and so it set out to shoot the messenger. Twitter suspended it for no legitimate reason, leading many to surmise that the real reason was that it was effective at helping the left expose themselves.
I think it was Tucker Carlson who said, implying that tables can be turned, that the left’s media people wouldn’t like the new rules they had invented. Taylor Lorenz said that if you influence the national debate, you can be doxed along with your relatives. Seems to me than anyone working for the Bezos corporate newspaper influences debate. Thus, any employee’s parents, siblings, ex-spouses and so on are fair game to be tracked down and confronted.
Megan McArdle opined that it’s not serious because the libsoftiktok author is an orthodox Jew. Interesting. By the way, I’m reading David Mamet’s new book.
Lorenz doesn’t try to pretend that the Twitter account fabricated leftist posts, or that she violated anyone’s private account. So, re-posting things which people actually placed on publicly-available media is not acceptable?
Lorenz is going to get a lot of negative response for this snotty piece, and she will deserve the criticism.
The coverage of this story by the malicious and mendacious MSM is even more malign than one might have anticipated. No rational person could possibly argue that the loathsome Taylor is somehow the aggrieved party when she is, of course, the “bully claiming to be bullied.” However, this is now the standard M.O. for the left, projection of its lowest impulses and its worst tactics onto its ideological/political adversaries, as in Russiagate and countless other recent scandals. One hesitates to wish ill on even the most odious person, but Taylor and her employer, Pravda-on-the-Potomac, deserve nothing but misfortune, although not always do destructive leftists get their just deserts.
Don’t forget that one of the lefts major stragegies is DARVO (deny, attack, reverse victim and opressor). Use this enough and one starts to believe that they are a perennial victim.
Someone mentioned that Lorenz was also the person who doxxed Pamela Gellers two daughters noting that both were working as internet influencers, neither of whom were associated with their controversial mother or used her surname. Now, it turns out (seems?) that the woman running Libs of TikTok is also Jewish. Coincidence? Just asking.
Victimhood is the protective armor that the Left’s attack dogs wear.
“BLM co-founder blasts financial disclosures as ‘triggering’ and ‘unsafe’…”
Lorenz is a vegan. ‘Nuff said.
One of the problems the Left is encountering is that it has no internal regulators. There’s no one really upholding ANY standard other than fealty to whatever the current thing is. The result is not just the tolerance but the promotion of more and more excessive behavior until things just blow up in their face.
I mean, what’s really striking about this incident is that it seems pretty undeniable the story had no other purpose than to dox and intimidate the Libs of TikTok lady. How hard could it have been to write a legitimate story about why and how this Twitter account has become so significant on the Right and then just “coincidentally” reveal her identity? But if you read Lorenz’ actual story, there’s barely even a pretense of journalistic purpose. It’s just a hit piece designed to out the Libs of TikTok lady.
Mike
Oh, and it should always be repeated that if this stuff continues the inevitable result is going to be violence. Either someone who had been doxxed will be killed or someone who has been doxxed is going to kill their doxxer.
Mike
Neo: “…Wasn’t the first victim Joe the Plumber? At least, that’s my recollection.” Well done. We need to keep a tally of all these thug moves. And we need to find juries willing to drop the hammer on the doxxers when their vicious exposure leads to injury or loss by the digital mob. Really: there is nothing like an 8- or 9-figure judgement to concentrate the mind wonderfully.
This Lorenz creature seems like a serious contender for Mean Girl Of The Year.
Lorenz is a vegan. ‘Nuff said.
I think she may be trying to lose weight. I saw a photo of her and that sounds like a good idea. She is 40 and trying to sound like a teen.
Actually, she is 49.
She attempts to dress way, way younger than her real age. Here she is trying to get away with wearing Garanamials (TM), which was popular in the early 1970s, when she was (scientists estimate) in her mid-30s:
I do not read him much. I find him a bit over the top for my tastes
But damn when he nails it. He really nails it.
Robert Stacy Mccain from April 3rd
“Taylor Lorenz Is a Dangerous Sociopath”
Good lord is this on the nose
https://theothermccain.com/2022/04/03/taylor-lorenz-is-a-dangerous-sociopath/
Mike K,
Please let us know what you think of Mamet’s book. You’ll be finished with it before I can get to it.
Actually, she is 49.
Unless I’ve confounded her with someone else, she is the daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Walter R. Lorenz Jr. of Riverside, Ct. Mr. Lorenz is the chief operating officer of Hobbs Inc., a high-end home building company located in New Canaan. (https://www.hobbsinc.com/team.php). Her date of birth is 21 October 1984. She has two sisters, Paige and Brooke, who are two years and eight years her junior.
Her maternal-side grandmother was quite the dynamo:
https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/greenwichtime/name/anne-macdonald-obituary?id=12460299
Please let us know what you think of Mamet’s book
I’m about half way through and it is a series of vignettes about his life and career and politics. Hard to characterize it. He is conservative and I have heard him interviewed before.
I’ve been watching a lot of Russian and Ukrainian TikToks lately. Some of the Russians say they feel helpless, there’s nothing they can do to influence their leaders. And some of the Ukrainians say – that’s not good enough. That’s been your excuse for a hundred years.
I’m starting to feel the same way about Democrats/liberals. Start cleaning up your side. Stop supporting newspapers that partake in doxing, lying, cheating. Stop supporting politicians who do the same. You’re fooling yourself, thinking you’re decent people.
This woman doxing Pamala Geller’s daughters did something evil. This attack on Libs of TikTok is more of the same. You keep subscribing to the Washington Post, you’re an enabler.
You CANNOT make me care about this….too many genuinely important issues in my life just now…….
The WaPoo is now lying about the doxxing. The article has been quietly edited and they are denying the contents of the first version.
The conservative press / media could make goblins like Taylor Lorenz go away pretty quickly if they consistently did a few things. She really is mutton masquerading as lamb with her Mean Girlz Defiance shtick, and she does try to sound as girlish as possible. But 9for example) if they just covered her actual on-screen behavior with a chyron at the bottom that says: “Taylor Lorenz, 38 year-old unmarried vegan with no children”, I believe the problem would quickly self-correct.
Yes the prototype fund an apparatus of german govt ostensibly the education ministry went after her, the germans having mainstreamed perversity since the late 60s, it makes perfect sense
Aggie, I don’t think this is for conservatives to fix – yes it’s great that so many conservative blogs are covering this. But it’s time that liberals/democrats start cleaning up their messes. By creating this atmosphere of no standards of behavior for the people they support they are attracting and encouraging these kind of sociopaths.
“But it’s time that liberals/democrats start cleaning up their messes.”
That’s not going to happen until they suffer a catastrophic defeat. And even then, it would probably need a lot of luck to happen.
Let’s remember that the Democratic Party as it exists today is the result of losing five out of six Presidential elections and the one Democrat in that run (Jimmy Carter) being a disaster. That’s what opened the door to the pro-corporate, neoliberal, DLC Democrats like Bill Clinton and it was their embrace of economic/domestic policies that served the managerial class which helped spur virtue-signaling culture war nuttiness as a substitute for actually helping people.
But even that needed a lot of old school Democratic heavyweights to bail out on the 1992 election when George H.W. Bush looked unbeatable after the Gulf War, which allowed an almost nobody like Bill Clinton to get the nomination.
All available information currently points to Democrats losing the House and Senate in 2022, facing an internal civil war over Biden actually running for re-election, and a legit possibility of Election Day 2024 ending with a GOP House, a fillibuster-proof GOP super-majority in the Senate, and Donald Trump back in the White House. But there’s very little evidence that Democrats or liberals in general can see that coming and even if it arrives, they’ll still probably need something else unexpected to happen to clear the way for any real changes to the party of the political movement.
Mike
@Eva Marie, I don’t disagree at all, but I believe (my opinion) that they are incapable of self-correction for the same reason they are so creatively bereft. It just ain’t in them.
Somewhere in the back of my mind it occurs to me that all of this is a consequence of the social media phenomenon, where people who have behavioral issues or problems, and are normally too disorganized to communicate reliably in a public setting, have suddenly been equipped with a direct, immediate link to other people, potentially millions, instantaneously. And the ones who have been gifted with a talent for emotive communication are suddenly endowed with a tremendous power lever.
But the lever doesn’t convey wisdom, temperance, forbearance, or even behavioral insight. And if groups of people with similar erratic behavioral problems are drawn to this powerful, accessible attraction, the next normal consequence is that they will methodically figure to eliminate those that contradict the emotional rush and reinforcement they’re getting, resulting in an environment that is a reverberating echo chamber of similar kinds of expression. It’s the only feedback they see. And the worse it gets, the faster it gets worse. I think that’s where we are right about now. I’m not at all convinced it’s worth Elon’s time and energy, unless it’s just to pull the plug and shut them all up.
@ Aggie > “I’m not at all convinced it’s worth Elon’s time and energy, unless it’s just to pull the plug and shut them all up.”
Works for me – but he won’t make any money doing that, so the next best is to force Twitter (somehow) to follow his recommendations.
https://jimtreacher.substack.com/p/journos-hate-free-speech?s=r
Best part is the video where the TED interviewer asks if Musk has a Plan B ready if the Twitter buy-out doesn’t happen.
Here’s a thread by Greenwald, for good measure.
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1514938900686544897
Virtue is rewarded.
https://notthebee.com/article/babylon-bee-ceo-seth-dillon-announces-partnership-with-libs-of-tiktok
Not the Bee and its sister-site The Babylon Bee are really becoming the easiest, and most entertaining way, to keep up on the news.
https://notthebee.com/article/heres-wapos-taylor-lorenz-crying-about-being-harassed-online-and-here-she-is-yesterday-harassing-libs-of-tiktoks-relatives-so-she-could-harass-her-online
Best punchline ever.
https://babylonbee.com/news/leftists-worried-libs-of-tiktok-account-making-them-look-bad-by-just-sharing-their-actual-words
Art Deco has her nailed… she was a contemporary of my kids growing up in Greenwich… not a close friend of either as my kids’ sports and activities were different than her sports and activities…I think she graduated in 2003, but then headed off to a Swiss finishing school before going to rather undistinguished colleges (at least in the Greenwich parental status game)
As to doxxing, Joe the Plumber may have been the first public doxxing, but it was an issue going back at least a dozen years to the early days of the internet…its earliest nasty for was calling in a crime report on someone so the SWAT team showed up and arrested a person… Happened to quite a number of conservative bloggers.
but then headed off to a Swiss finishing school before going to rather undistinguished colleges (at least in the Greenwich parental status game)
A public records search identifies her as a resident of Boulder, Colorado in 2004. An unverified biographical sketch has it that she attended the University of Colorado at Boulder (which is a ‘public ivy’) and then transferred to Hobart and William Smith, where she took a degree. U.S. News classifies Hobart as one of 125 ‘national liberal arts colleges’, though not among the most selective of them. About 15% of the students at baccalaureate-granting institutions are at any one time at private research universities, public ivies, or one of these swank private colleges. Her performance in this respect was more than adequate. Hobart is unusual inasmuch as it is almost purely academic. There’s a public policy program but otherwise no occupational majors.
About 45% of each cohort are taking a baccalaureate degree nowadays. It’s a reasonable inference that she has the chops for a professional-managerial job. What she’s doing is working as a sketchy operator in what’s left of the news business. No husband and no children either at the age of 37. Unlike Anderson Cooper, she has no interesting story to tell about how she got where she is. Well, lots of people underperform; I imagine her mother and father are resigned to it at this point. Maybe they get some grandchildren out of their other daughters.
“Aggie, I don’t think this is for conservatives to fix – yes it’s great that so many conservative blogs are covering this. But it’s time that liberals/democrats start cleaning up their messes.”
But what is their incentive to do that? They gain a great deal of power, at zero risk of consequences.
Her employer is doing the dirty work on her behalf, i.e., D(eny)A(ttack) R(everse)V(ictim and)O(ffender). Thanks to, among others, TheOtherMcCain for the insight.
If you remember AOC’s consternation when she and her boyfriend, and his feet, were held out for ridicule while visiting Miami to avoid the mask and lockdown mandates she advocated. AOC relished the attention but reacted significantly when her boyfriend became a subject of attention. Focusing on and publicizing the boyfriends and romantic life of these 20-30 something females enforces a social cost by reciprocally applying their doxing standards, not to them directly, but to increase risk of romantic association with them.
If you remember AOC’s consternation when she and her boyfriend,
They’ve been appended to each other for a dozen years or thereabouts. They never made it legal and have no children. It’s regrettable her youth has been expended in the way it has. She should have learned a serious trade (Riley is an IT tech and was paying the bills for the two of them for seven years) and they should be building a family. The woman’s a histrionic dumpster fire, but her people skills in domestic life have sufficed to hold onto him.
Full-time political office should as a rule be occupied by people in late middle age or early old age who are looking at day-to-day child-rearing in the rear-view mirror.
Art Deco, she may have graduated GHS in 2002 -could have gone either way with her late October birthday, as I said she was not really in my kids’ circles, though there was peripheral overlap and I knew who she was… Colorado at Boulder may be a public ivy, but it would not be the sort of school a Greenwich parent would talk about…and neither would Hobart-William Smith – known locally as Camp Ho Ho among my kids’ peers. The only one of my kids’ friends who went there (exceptionally bright but lazy) worked his butt off and transferred to Columbia….
Aggie,
I take a different view of the folks you discuss. Or perhaps I interpret you differently.
The ends justify the means. Nothing is off limits morally. At the very least, they will justify someone else’s attacks on others. That they can twist themselves into knots on matters of fact–as the situation requires–goes without saying. But for them, it, whatever it may be, is not just tactical. It is moral and righteous.
To destroy the country over “mean tweets” and feel just and righteous about it is a whole different mental and emotional universe. And this is for competent people who get through life pretty well.
Colorado at Boulder may be a public ivy, but it would not be the sort of school a Greenwich parent would talk about…and neither would Hobart-William Smith – known locally as Camp Ho Ho among my kids’ peers. The only one of my kids’ friends who went there (exceptionally bright but lazy) worked his butt off and transferred to Columbia….
College-age youth cohorts are about 4.2 million in size nowadays. I think annual freshman matriculation at Ivy League schools sums to around about 23,000, and they recruit a great deal of their student body from abroad and give generous mulligans to black and mestizo applicants. The Greenwich parents you know must be doing a great deal of not talking about it.
SDN: “But what is their incentive to do that? They gain a great deal of power, at zero risk of consequences.”
Let me go back to the Russians. Some of them seem to be quite shattered by this constant pressure by the Ukrainians and the rest of the world. For the first time they are being called out for their complicity in their government’s actions.
For us the formula has always been to say rank and file Democrats are great people but they have a corrupt leadership. That’s not good enough anymore. They’re not great people if they support a party and a press and a teachers union that behave the way they do. And they need to be denied this view they have of themselves as being well intentioned.
MBunge: “That’s not going to happen until they suffer a catastrophic defeat. And even then, it would probably need a lot of luck to happen.”
I’m saying that change in the Democratic Party can only come from the bottom up. The leaders have too many monetary incentives to keep their party going. Rank and file Democrats need to change their party or walk away.
And may I add another similarity between the Democrats and the Russians. The censorship of conservative views isn’t aimed at Republicans/conservatives. It’s aimed at rank and file Democrats. The leaders at the top of the Democratic Party, just like Putin, understand that if there’s a free press with a free and open exchange of ideas, they are doomed.
Hoping the unimpressive and very entitled Taylor Lorenz keeps exploiting her 15 minutes of fame. More and more, please. The video of her is every bit as revolting as the Libs of Tik Tok footage. Great publicity for Libs of Tik Tok. This is good.
This kind of harassment of private citizens makes me think it will take a much more ruthless man than I to fix things.
Mike K and Mike P:
I loved Mamet’s book Recessional, though I admit I find his writing to be occasionally too “inside baseball” for me to follow. If you are not a Hollywood denizen or did not grow up Jewish in New York and Vermont, some of the references might fly over your head. I know — he was raised in Chicago, but went east for college and his early theater days.
A thoroughly enjoyable book. Highly recommended.
indeed,
https://www.revolver.news/2022/04/libsoftiktok-dox-uncovers-secret-hacker-government-alliance-attacking-americans/
I don’t know about you folks, but I find Taylor Lorenz scary crazy.
miguel cervantes – That’s a great article. This is from your link:
“Brown’s doxxing operation isn’t an independent venture. He is backed by the Prototype Fund, a project of the Open Knowledge Foundation Germany, an “independent not-for-profit organization.” The notion that the foundation is “independent” is, of course, a lie. OKFG receives funding directly from the the German Federal Ministry of Education and Research.
In other words, the German government directly financed the doxing of Libs Of TikTok and Taylor Lorenz’s calculated attempt on behalf of the Washington Post to destroy her life.
Prototype, by the way, doesn’t just fund doxing operations. It funds the mass arrival of “asylum-seekers” into Europe.”
your welcome, this shouldn’t surprise as germany was the pioneer in mainstreaming deviance in educational systems, back in the 60s, abolitioning disciplinary standards et al, this migrated to the US in the 70s, they were also early in the deplatforming efforts right after 2016, using Russia as an excuse,
If people can see the original sources for themselves, who needs “journalists” or professors. The masses must be guided to the correct opinions by the opinion makers.
How are the “intellectuals” to serve the state and earn their sinecures, if the masses start to stop and think?
–Murray Rothbard, ‘The Anatomy of the State’
Regarding the German state and education, home schooling is illegal there.
Let me restate that. In the nation of Germany it is illegal for parents to educate their children. Even if the parents are degreed school teachers.
Taylor Lorenz’s Twitter history has been excluded and shoved into the closet over on the Internet Archive Wayback Machine.
https://twitter.com/ShimshockAndAwe/status/1516859398282526720?cxt=HHwWgIC-jcHl-4wqAAAA
So I guess there will be no mining of past vile hypocrisies any time soon.
From someone else it happened to:
In the New York Times’ worldview, they start with the right to dox me, and I had to earn the right to remain anonymous by proving I’m the perfect sympathetic victim who satisfies all their criteria of victimhood. But in my worldview, I start with the right to anonymity, and they need to make an affirmative case for doxxing me. I admit I am not the perfect victim. The death threats against me are all by losers who probably don’t know which side of a gun you shoot someone with. If anything happened at work, it would probably inconvenience me and my patients, but probably wouldn’t literally kill either of us. Still! Don’t kick me in the f–king balls!
I don’t think anyone at the Times bore me ill will, at least not originally. But somehow that just made it even more infuriating… I wasn’t a target they were desperate to take out. The main emotion I was able to pick up from them was annoyance that I was making their lives harder by making a big deal out of this. For them, it was Tuesday.
It’s bad enough to get kicked in the balls because Power hates you. But it’s infuriating to have it happen because Power can’t bring itself to care.
Proving our point
https://mobile.twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1516521130743541761?s=20&t=V6Me5cesyhoewXp_MfuUKw
If these people don’t want us to believe in conspiracies, they shouldn’t act conspiratorially.
About those conspiracies – if there is evidence, is it still just a theory?
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/04/20/former-intel-officials-want-efforts-to-break-up-big-tech-stopped-data-control-and-retention-of-social-media-partnership-is-a-national-security-imperative/
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/04/george_soros_and_german_media.html
}}} That’s what they think “journalism” is.
I’m bingewatching The Flash atm.
One of the central themes of the series is that Iris Allen, the titular character’s wife, is a “journalist” (that character actually has been since the early days of the “modern” Flash^)
In the series, however, she runs a local online outlet, the “Citizen”.
This season there was an interaction between another regular character, whom she promoted to “managing editor” over a number of far more experienced employees, on the idea that she understood better what the readers wanted, since she’d been there for a couple years, while the more experienced employees were new.
So good, so far, but then she basically argues that it’s “the Citizen’s voice” and thus it should reflect the opinions of the readers as well as “the facts”.
One of the displeased experienced writers asked if they were to stop interviewing important people.
Another one (falsely**) argues about only reporting the facts, and leave the editorializing/opinion stuff on the editorial section.
They both get stomped on, the former by “add interviews of people on the street”, and the other just flat out told to suck eggs.
This, of course, is the depiction of how The News is supposed to be packaged and presented to the reader, today — not the facts, but the positions of some random street bozo on things. This, of course, has no interest in teaching them to be informed, but to have their opinions repeated back to them.
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** Falsely, as the character isn’t that old, she is maybe 35ish.
Back in the Mid-NINETIES the Journo Union removed the ethical requirement that they are to be “fair and balanced” and to not take positions, just report on the facts. Few are aware of this, but they’ve been promoting opinions as facts since at least that time, and have dropped all pretense of anything else.
^ One of the very very legit complaints about this version of the show is that it’s an entire “ensemble” show — the character has nothing whatsoever to do with the character, historically, in the comics, but is surrounded by different support characters, making it easy to for the writers to create melodramatic moments, just by feeding a given character lines.
I mention this because Flash is probably the most egregious of all of them. He was always exceptionally private about his Secret Identity — probably more than any other character in all of comics history.
The character was, in the 60s comics, actually married for **TWO YEARS** before he revealed who he was to his wife (yeah, kids believe that, no adult would). Kind of makes for an interestingly bad talent as a journalist, when you think about it as an adult.
But with the TV show, it’s particularly egregious as, as a result, there are probably not less than two dozen people who know his true identity…
}}} Not the Bee and its sister-site The Babylon Bee are really becoming the easiest, and most entertaining way, to keep up on the news.
It’s amusing that there is a meme around that says that Musk offered to buy, then delete, Facebook.
Almost seems prescient. 😛