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Open thread 10/25/21 — 30 Comments

  1. Just down the road from me is dog grooming place. They have a big corral that has rescue goats and several Llamas. I have been taking my grass clippings to them all summer. They come to the fence when I drive up. Other people are feeding them too. Yesterday I took 3 big 5 gal buckets of apples and pears out to them. They really enjoyed the fruit. Helps me get rid of the clippings and do something good at the same time.

  2. I hope you consulted with the people keeping those critters before feeding them. As a former horse keeper, I would be most upset with you feeding them lawn clippings. The horse’s gut cannot properly process those, resulting in major health problems. Goats are not so picky with what they eat, but the people keeping them should be the ones to say “yes” or “no”. Having had diabetic horses, the fruit would be a definite no-no for them, but they would eat it until it was gone. Like people, animals will eat things even though the things are not good for them.

  3. Yes I ask first. They were actually looking for people to do what I do. Saves them money on feed. They do not have horses.

  4. In my area we have a lot of wildlife and a lot of tourists. You know what that means. A couple decades ago I might have told a random tourist not to feed the critters, but it is a lost cause now. At one of my favorite park benches not long ago a ground squirrel came close to crawling up my leg. A few are so obese they can barely move around.

  5. In various mountain areas the issue is the black bear. Trash containers seem to be manufactured by the folks who make safes. Went to Cades Cove before the bears were awake. Nice place. A friend went a month later. The critters were lined up both sides of the access roads.
    Despite ubiquitous warnings NOT TO FEED THE BEARS.
    Condos outside of whichever town usually include a warning not to take the trash out before dawn or after dark. Wonder what’s in the parking lot during those hours….

  6. The DailyMail has more information of the Rust shooting accident.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10127317/Alec-Baldwin-pointed-gun-camera-weapon-fired-rehearsal.html

    Purportedly, the AD called out “cold gun” when handing it to Baldwin, yet Baldwin said he thought it had blanks in it. Well, which is it? Blanks are considered a hot gun. Also, it was a rehearsal, so if Baldwin wanted to open the cylinder and look, I don’t imagine it would have been problem.

    I thought this was interesting and sound practice, from the same article.

    ‘I [actor Jeffrey Wright] don’t recall ever being handed a weapon that was not cleared in front of me – meaning chamber open, barrel shown to me, light flashed inside the barrel to make sure that it’s cleared,’ Wright said. ‘Clearly, that was a mismanaged set.’

    Actor Ray Liotta agreed with Wright that the checks on firearms are usually extensive.

    ‘They always – that I know of – they check it so you can see,’ Liotta said. ‘They give it to the person you’re pointing the gun at, they do it to the producer, they show whoever is there that it doesn’t work.’

  7. TommyJay,

    Those actors’ quotes seem like a very good, safe protocol. Only adds a few minutes of time and makes extra sure multiple eyes verify things are safe. If that’s not the standard, it should be.

    Also, I don’t understand why viable guns would be used at all. I ran at a lot of track meets and I never saw anyone get injured from a starter’s pistol. I understand having realistic smoke might be a goal, or seeing bulletheads looking at a revolver head on might be a neat, visual affect, but it seems like those things could be achieved with replica, model guns that have no way of emitting a dangerous projectile. Heck, a drop of liquid (likely now determined to be a carcinogen 🙂 ) in my old, Lionel train engine made gobs of realistic smoke. I guess it’s just money. Cheaper to use an empty, real revolver, or one with a blank charge, than make a realistic, period model.

  8. Goats. Got to love them. My daughter had two African pygmy goats. They were a clown show when small; not so cute when grown.

    When I was quite young I decided to ride one of my Uncle’s goats in my Easter finery while I waited for the rest of the family to get ready. The goat took a bite out of my trousers. For some reason I got the blame and not the goat.

    Here in SoCal there are at least a couple of goat herds that are used to clean scrub brush from hill sides. The handlers set up temporary restraints and let them have at it. They are very effective; and become tourist attractions in suburban areas.

  9. PA Cat @12:54pm,

    Humans manipulating wood sticks with their hands to choreographed, musical movements while simultaneously singing?! Can’t be done! Hollywood sorcery! 😉

  10. Oldflyer,

    One Easter we were in Germany visiting an Aunt and Uncle of my wife’s she had not seen for years. They had never seen our children. Of course my wife had them in Easter finery, not a hair out of place. Her Aunt and Uncle were very prim and proper and my wife was very nervous about keeping up appearances.

    After the introductions the kids were ushered outside while the adults got some coffee, tea and pastries ready. Within 30 seconds our four year old daughter appeared, covered in wet mud from head to toe and tracking it into the house.

    Needless to say, the puddle also did not catch the blame for that incident.

  11. Tommy Jay ~ Daily Mail article ~
    ” The gun that killed the cinematographer on the set of Alec Baldwin’s Rust had been used for target practice by crew members, sources linked to the western film’s production said.

    Multiple sources connected to the set of Rust told TMZ that the same Colt pistol that went off in Alec Baldwin’s hands, killing Halyna Hutchins and injuring director Joel Souza, had been used recreationally by crew members.”

    I read some of the protocol guidelines for guns used in filming and there was so much gross negligence that created this perfect storm of a death. This was not an ‘accidental discharge’ but it was a ‘negligent discharge’. The way the guns were handled and the way Baldwin drew down on the filming crew and shot at them with a firearm was total negligence and against all guidelines for movie production. The use of the guns for recreational shooting and then returning them to the set is beyond all comprehension, total lack of control and then on those old revolvers they are easy to check by opening the loading gate on the right side of the gun and turning the cylinder a full 360 degrees and that should have been done every time the gun was picked up.

    If the information that is coming out is correct then I won’t be happy until the armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed, Dave Halls and Alec Baldwin spend the 18 months in prison for the class 4 felony of negligent manslaughter. All of the safety protocols did not fail because they were not in use. I have no sympathy for any of them since they are paid professionals who are required to have the proper knowledge doing their jobs.

  12. Oldflyer @ 1:29 pm said, “Goats. Got to love them.”

    There was one president who had a goat living at the White House: Benjamin Harrison, whose son, daughter-in-law, and their children moved into the WH along with the Harrisons. The children had a pet goat named “Old Whiskers,” who used to pull a cart with the children aboard around the WH lawn. One day, Old Whiskers was apparently spooked by something and “took off running through the White House gates trailing the cart with the Harrison grandchildren aboard. The president, who was waiting for his own carriage at the front of the White House at the time, raced after the cart. Old Whiskers did eventually stop, but only after quite a few Washington, D.C., residents saw their commander-in-chief running down the street holding on to his top hat, waving his cane and yelling at a goat.”

    An 1891 picture of the Harrison grandchildren with Old Whiskers on the White House lawn at the link:

    https://www.presidentialpetmuseum.com/pets/old_whiskers/

  13. SHIREHOME– Good that you asked. That’s all one asks.

    Neo– I should have clearly addressed my post to S-H. Sorry. I did see that you resisted.

  14. OldTexan,
    And yet guns are soooo dangerous that certain persons are forbidden to posses them. We were taught as kids not to play with them. Pretend gunfights should use pretend guns. Why OSHA still allows this is a mystery to me.

    Hollywood glorifies violence and glorifies gun violence and vigilantism.

  15. Griffin, thanks for that link.
    Scary stuff.
    Talk about smoking guns…
    Reading that piece, there should be—there can be—absolutely no doubt remaining about that entire frame-up.
    It’s all there. Astonishingly.

    I guess Garland calling those Virginia parents “terrorists” is merely the icing on the cake.

    The man is totally warped. Totally compromised. Totally evil.

    That he serves such a central role in the “Biden” government is just one more indication of the utter depravity of the “Biden” regime. (Not that this is surprising, but still…)

    No wonder Obama was so upset that he wasn’t allowed to get onto the Supreme Court…. What damage could he have wrought there…

    Simply amazing….As amazing as it is awful. As it is depressing. As it is enraging.

    I guess the question is, What now?…

    Thanks again.

  16. @JimNorCal, not good enough – those numbers are genuinely disappointing. Somebody needs to step it up in there.

    Neo, did you at least pet that cute nose?

  17. Absolutely fascinating article by Greenwald on the man financing the FB “whistleblower” and Greenwald’s own personal experiences working with the same individual for many years. This is the point of departure for his analysis of (among many other things) the Anti-Trump insanity and the corrupted state of journalism we are currently facing:
    “Pierre Omidyar’s Financing Of The Facebook “Whistleblower” Campaign Reveals A Great Deal”
    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/greenwald-pierre-omidyars-financing-facebook-whistleblower-campaign-reveals-great-deal

  18. PA+Cat, charming story.
    Nice break from the depressing stories about recent, and current, Presidents.
    For better or worse, it was clearly a simpler age.

  19. Another Mike —

    So, wait, if horses can’t process grass clippings, what’s happening when they’re out in the pasture nibbling away at the… grass? Is it “lawn” grass vs. “pasture” grass that’s the problem?

  20. Oldflyer @5:53 p.m.:

    I’m glad that you liked the story about the Harrison family’s pet goat. Yes, it was a simpler age: I noticed that there are no Secret Service agents anywhere in sight in that 1891 photo, either to challenge the photographer or to keep potential bad guys off the White House lawn. It wasn’t until McKinley’s assassination, ten years after this lovely picture of the Harrisons’ grandchildren and their pets was taken, that Congress finally asked the Secret Service (which started out as an anti-counterfeiting agency) to provide full-time presidential protection.

    It is surprising, as we look back, how accessible our presidents were up through the early twentieth century. Walt Whitman lived in Washington during the Civil War and noted in his diary that he often saw Lincoln passing by his house, and the two would exchange greetings:

    I see the President almost every day, as I happen to live where he passes to or from his lodgings out of town. He never sleeps at the White House during the hot season, but has quarters at a healthy location some three miles north of the city, the Soldier’s Home, a United States military establishment. . . . I see very plainly Abraham Lincoln’s dark brown face, with the deep-cut lines, the eyes, always to me with a deep latent sadness in the expression. We have got so that we exchange bows, and very cordial ones. . . . Earlier in the summer I occasionally saw the President and his wife . . . on a pleasure ride through the city. Mrs. Lincoln was dressed in complete black, with a long crape veil. The equipage is of the plainest kind, only two horses, and they nothing extra. They passed me once very close, and I saw the President fully, as they were moving slowly, and his look, though abstracted, happened to be directed steadily in my eye. He bowed and smiled, but far below his smile I noticed well the expression I have alluded to. None of the artists or pictures has caught the deep, though subtle and indirect, expression of this man’s face. There is something else there.

    https://www.lincolncottage.org/walt-whitman-and-president-lincoln/

    Another aspect of the simplicity of the period: Lincoln had two pet cats in the White House that had been given to him by William Seward, his Secretary of State. “The president doted on the cats, which he named Tabby and Dixie, so much that he once fed Tabby from the table during a formal dinner at the White House. When Lincoln’s embarrassed wife later observed that the action was ‘shameful in front of their guests,’ the president replied, ‘If the gold fork was good enough for former President James Buchanan, I think it is good enough for Tabby.'”

    https://www.presidentialpetmuseum.com/pets/abraham-lincoln-cats/

  21. Griffin and Barry — I just saw that headline at ZH and thought “of course.” It’s all been much to convenient. Much too easy for the Oligarch’s tools to set agendas and get their sock puppet prez to bark on command.

    I haven’t read it but I already believe it. I’m listening to today’s hour three of Bannon’s Warrroom talk show.

    I gather Steve Bannon was interviewed somewhere saying “Just as elections have consequences, stolen elections have catastrophic consequences.”

    That thesis is the Patriot’s mandate to proceed. The Virginia election is the battleground for this.

    As one pro election observer says, that Rs lead in the State races in the generic election ballot. He’d never seen that before in VA!

    The totalitarian Educrats message of “get out, stay out” to parents in School Boards and their kids educations has set the 2021s election tone and an agenda to parallel Xidan’s fall in the polls.

    Today, Glenn Reynold’s drew an updated parallel from Roger Kimball on Xi’s use of “1984” as an instruction manual to rule over the people.

    After a lengthy pull quote, Glenn then cites WashPost, LA Times, the Nation mag, and others agreeing with Xi and 1984: butt out parents!

    Are we at last seeing the Left’s anticipated overreach? Like in the French Revolution that spawned The Terror?

    Events will reveal. But again at Bannon, airing a quote by Conservative Union leader Matt Schlapp from his new Axios interview saw the onetime Rightwing stalwart kissing the corrupt State media’s ass, saying the “Biden is my president….”

    No. He’s NOT my President! He’s the Oligarch’s chosen leader! A stolen Presidential election greased by a FIB false flag fake insurrection, followed by….

    The next great struggle Patriots must win is reforming the Rught by defeating RINO sellouts like Schlapp as CUs next convention in February!

    TIME TO MAKE THE RINOs AND ROMNEY OUR TRAITORS!
    Or else we lose in ‘22.

  22. Two of my mother’s goats, which I manage, have recently had twins. One set of twins lived and the other set died. There are three more does that appear pregnant, but I am concerned about one of the does. She appeared to be going into labor weekend before last, but did not give birth. One of the biggest threats goats face is canines, both domestic, feral and wild. People who let their nice, family , mid to large sized dogs roam free in the suburbs and country do not seem to realize that away from home, those dogs are likely on the hunt. On numerous occasions I have been out at night with the shotgun and a flashlight after hearing a commotion. Goats, sheep, chickens, etc are easily killed by roaming dogs or a coyote. So far, I have not run into that scenario from the Far Side Cartoon where the farmer tells the wife to get the shotgun because the “ aliens” , in a space ship, are getting the chickens.

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