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  1. But don’t worry GWB was worse than Joe/Jil Biden can ever be and we “survived” GWB. not 🙂

  2. Sonny Boy Biden remarked that Queen Elizabeth II ‘reminded him of his mother.”

    Did she dandle him on her knee ?

  3. Consciously or subconsciously, liberals know that Biden is simply a figurehead but trust that “top people” are in charge behind the curtain. Liberals are willfully blind to the dangers that democrat policies are drawing America toward. When those dangers emerge, it will of course be the fault of Trump and the deplorables who elected him.

    Leftists see Biden as a useful puppet and liberals as useful idiots.

  4. Biden and the Democrats are committed to the destruction of America. Even in his demented state, what POTUS would cancel the Canada to US oil pipeline immediately on assuming office, throwing pro-Democrat union workers out of work that day, then remove the sanctions retarding development of the Baltic Sea pipeline from Russia to Germany?

    Putin and Xi know what they’ve got in the White House, and I don’t just mean Dopey Joe but his entire America-transforming team.
    We are dealing with evil here. Evil, corrupt, and treasonous, manipulating a brain-dead POTUS.

  5. Every time I see an essay decrying the absurdity of the Biden “presidency,” and the ostracizing of Donald Trump I am reminded of the quote by Robert Heinlein (emphasis, mine):

    Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.
    This is known as “bad luck.”

  6. A few years ago the phrase “epistemic closure” was popular with some progressives, who applied it to the right. They seemed to be proud of using this smart-sounding phrase instead of something more straightforward like “closed mind.” But I have never seen a more striking instance of it than is currently on display from Biden supporters. I don’t think it’s a calculation at all, in the sense of evaluating what Biden actually says and does and deciding that it’s good here, less good there, and anyway better than Trump. I don’t think they’re paying attention to that at all, at least the ones I know. I think it’s a sort of resolution, not really a conscious one: nothing matters except that their party is in power. The reflecting and discussing that I do see is all about how to steamroll the remaining Republican opposition.

  7. I am reminded of the quote by Robert Heinlein (emphasis, mine):

    Heinlein’s is a nonsense statement.

  8. During his remarks, he misused a word. He read it wrong off the PrompTer. (“By harassing (sic) the full potential of those who are harassing (sic), we’re going to have to try to change things.”

    I also saw polls stating the Europeans like Biden more than Trump by a wide margin. And there was all the talk that “the US was back at the table.”

    Gag! I don’t want the US being the patsy for the Euros. They know they can go back to the old days where we paid for everything. We need a President who puts America First; not the International Community.

    I’ll never forgive the Dems and Fake News for stealing that election. Never!

  9. So he just had a press conference that was 3 hours late that lasted for 25 minutes and took five preselected questions which he seemed to reference cue cards when answering.

    Amazing (not) how the press just goes along with this. Trump used to give ridiculously long (way too long IMO) press conferences and they still called him mentally unfit yet this clown can barely make a coherent point.

  10. I also saw polls stating the Europeans like Biden more than Trump by a wide margin.

    Information ops, or another indication that street-level Europeans are not our friends.

  11. This would seem to be a great job for long distance presidential psychiatrist Brandy X Lee and since she got dumped by Yale she should have plenty of time to work on it.

  12. “Heinlein’s is a nonsense statement.”

    Eh. Like most writers, Heinlein’s grasp of prose is a lot firmer than his grasp on anything else but when you look at how the Christian West has so dramatically outstripped the Muslim Middle East over the last few centuries, for example, it’s hard to imagine differing attitudes toward individualism haven’t played a big part in that.

    Mike

  13. And there was all the talk that “the US was back at the table.” Gag! — Cornhead

    I heard that this morning and that was my response as well. They must mean “the US was back on the table.” With the G6 and others feeding on our entrails.

  14. TommyJay; Cornhead:

    Back at the table, in a highchair, being spoonfed what others want us to eat.

  15. Putin’s comment is going to drive the Dems and their camp followers crazy. “Trump is an extraordinary man, Biden is a standard politician”. Can they impeach Trump for that, asking for a friend?

  16. What are the specific, practical effects of Biden’s errors, gaffes, etc. that occurred at this summit? I’m sure there are some, but my feeling is that while we may get some sort of vicarious entertainment from tut-tutting at these pieces of silliness that dribble out, and we can hold these things up in front of our Dem-voting friends and scourge them with the reminder that this is what they voted for, we should perhaps keep focus upon the question of what the real consequences, if any, are.

    I would say that if Biden makes some sort of blunder that leads to someone or multiple someones getting gratuitously hurt or killed, then we would have something concrete. In saying this, I don’t discount the possibility that something Biden did or said in Cornwall may have that outcome down the road. Making predictions is hard, especially about the future, as someone pointed out once.

    Beyond this, I fear I’m going to begin to tire of hearing about Biden’s “moments”. (Of course, I say that on the assumption that there will be more, not fewer, of these to come.) I guess what it boils down to is: if Biden falls asleep in a G7 meeting or tries to touch Mrs. Johnson’s hair, beyond feeling a resigned embarrassment, what am I supposed to do about it? Well, one thing I can and should do is pray for humility and salvation; there is that.

  17. I would say we are generally screwed by having Biden as our President. But I think we would need to move up several levels to reach that

  18. “Heinlein’s is a nonsense statement.” [Art+Deco @ 4:20 pm]

    You are, of course, entitled to your own opinion, however, from my perspective as a professional who has researched and taught historical trends, I would offer that your statement is as willfully blind as as a Biden supporter’s dismissal of Biden’s own incompetence.

    “. . . another indication that street-level Europeans are not our friends.” [Art+Deco @ 4:33 pm]

    Agreed. Europe has always looked down its collective nose at the United States as the classless nouveau riche relative. IMO it is wholly inspired by envy of the fact that the U.S. has accomplished and can continue to accomplish what they only wish they could do with the same speed.

    Europe is bound by a millennia old tradition of power filtering down to the masses from above through kings and queens (divine right); one need not be better than, smarter than, stronger than, or even more beautiful than others when one sits at the front of the divine-right-to-rule bus. Thus, the EU is a weak and fractured attempt to create a European United States. Even here we see criticism of and displeasure with Belgian bureaucrats making decisions for other nations (one of the arguing points for Brexit) because such decisions come from foreign bureaucrats rather than from a central authority whose traditional divine right to rule has been accepted by a given popluace.

    Europeans, IMO, are accustomed to being ruled; Americans, OTH give permission to be governed. (I must note, however, that the behavior of much of the American public over the last 15 months has made me begin to question this axiom.)

  19. “. . . I fear I’m going to begin to tire of hearing about Biden’s ‘moments’.” [Philip Sells @ 5:26 pm]

    Therein lies the danger: Boredom leading to apathy, leading to acceptance of the current state, leading to validation (“well, this is just the way it is and we have to accept it.”

    While it may be true that there is not much any single person can do, this dulling of the spirit leads directly to the governed becoming the sheeple that so many of us on this site so frequently decry.

  20. Philip Sells (5:26 pm) remarked that “Making predictions is hard, especially about the future, as someone pointed out once.”

    That “someone” was the late, great distinguished American philosopher / sage Lawrence Peter Berra (1925-2015) — better known as “Yogi” to his friends and fans.

  21. “Some don’t genuflect at a SciFi writer. Just a fact.” [om @ 6:26 pm]

    Are you suggesting that simply offering a quote is a genuflection and/or do you see SciFi writers as the left sees conservatives, that is, never accurate, never prescient, and never correct?

  22. Biden’s way over his head. Even when he was young and had his faculties, he wasn’t presidential material. What we are seeing is a huge risk for the USA. I am hoping for the best and even praying for Joe. He’s a disaster, but look who’s just a heartbeat away from the presidency. That is even more worrying.

    When I think about the Time article describing the way the progs rigged
    the election, it makes me wonder who’s really in charge – Obama, Soros, Zuckerberg, or? The next four years are going to be precarious.

  23. You are, of course, entitled to your own opinion, however, from my perspective as a professional who has researched and taught historical trends, I would offer that your statement is as willfully blind as as a Biden supporter’s dismissal of Biden’s own incompetence.

    Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man.

    ‘Poverty’ is a comparative term. One household is poorer than another, one country is poorer than another, one era is poorer than another. The closest thing to a fixed meaning the term ‘abject poverty’ could have might mean a hunter-gatherer society with uncertain food supplies and a life expectancy at birth of about 30 years. Prosperity in these circumstances is a function of the man-land ratio. In agricultural communities, much the same might be true, just that production is more sophisticated and efficient and food supplies less variable and less contingent on being able to expel others from your hunting grounds.

    Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.
    This is known as “bad luck.”

    Technological advance generates more production and more sophisticated social organization. Urban settlements, territorial states, division of labor, written records, &c. are the marks of a civilized society.

    In societies which have achieved civilization, you see improvement and decline in prosperity over time. I suppose you can find examples of civilization evaporating and being replaced with agricultural communities and purely local authority. The fall of the Mayan civilization might be an example, or sub-Roman Britain. Up until about 300 years ago, economic advance was undertaken in tiny increments and several generations of improvement could be followed by several generations of decay. Compare 13th century Europe with 14th century Europe.

    Production isn’t the work of an ‘extremely small’ minority. Neither is the application of an innovation. People who produce things have to use the innovation for it to matter. Because there was an initial innovator (or a modest set of innovators), you could say the innovation was the work of ‘an extremely small minority’. Here’s the question: are innovations the work of people who were in the right place at the right time asking the right questions, or are they the work of some collection of illuminati who can be found from age to age (being thwarted by “all right thinking people”)? Certainly in the history of science and technology and social life, you can find extraordinary men. The cemeteries are filled with indispensable men.

  24. Philip Sells:

    It’s not Biden’s verbal errors themselves that are likely to lead directly to trouble. It’s the knowledge of other countries that the US is now run by incompetents and fools who will not defend or stick up for their own country. What a bonanza! Biden’s feebleness mirrors Anerica’s, and vice versa.

  25. It’s not Biden’s verbal errors themselves that are likely to lead directly to trouble. It’s the knowledge of other countries that the US is now run by incompetents and fools who will not defend or stick up for their own country.

    neo, Philip Sells:

    Biden will have to have a full-on, speaking-in-tongues seizure on stage for it to penetrate Democrat brains.

    However, as neo comments, it matters if Biden’s infirmities become an international joke, as seems to be happening.

  26. I just read about this rather large tactical error that came out of the G7 meeting, at Biden’s urging.

    From AmericanThinker, and excerpted from some buried news in the Daily Beast:

    The G7 announced that it would donate a billion vaccines to the developing world, but most of Europe is still unvaccinated after the EU struggled early on with its vaccine rollout—no EU country is yet close to herd immunity. Biden denied that any pressure had been applied to the European leaders to agree.

    “Our vaccine donations don’t include pressure for favors or potential concessions,” he said. “We’re doing this to save lives, to end this pandemic, that’s it.”

    Whatever the motivation, the U.S. and U.K. have been eager to urge EU and other G7 countries to donate vaccines they essentially don’t have for their own citizens to poorer countries. “Biden certainly ruffled feathers on his vaccine announcement,” Dennison said. “EU leaders would have liked to have been consulted.”

    Effectively Biden says, pander along with us while your own citizens die. It looks good on the news, unless you are one of those aforementioned citizens.

    It’s weird in a sense. The Covid crisis feels like it so done and over with here, and yet the Euro zone is still suffering from it. And that fact is such a strong indictment of the sclerosis of the EU bureaucracy.

    I watched an old documentary about air traffic control issues in the balkanized air space of the EU. One of the euro commentators said something strange. He said that nothing gets done because the ministers have the power, but don’t know anything, and the technocrats have the knowledge but don’t have any power.

    Lack of accountability?

  27. Look, if Democrats are so screwy they can’t see past their deranged Trump hatred to even recognize accomplishments that were in front of their noses, what makes anyone think they’re going to accurately perceive the dotage of Cranio-Spongiform Joe?

    Just keep showing the videos and drawing attention to it. When other countries like Oz start ridiculing it, it becomes powerful. Elections are only a year away and campaigns are getting underway.

  28. I suppose the people in charge, whoever they are, are hoping they can prop old Joe up without serious obvious failure as long as possible, and maybe longer.

    These public bad moments are more than embarrassing for the US. They’re dangerous. Joe isn’t really there, and a committee isn’t going to respond quickly to any crisis.

  29. Art Deco rejects Heinlein’s distillation of Adam Smith’s insight as pablum?

    While T valiantly corrects him, I must add that Heinlein has been amply vindicated by standard economic histories, especially 2007s “A Farewell to Alms: A Brief Economic History of the World” by Gregory Clark.

    As another economic historian write while reviewing it — Hugh Rockwell, himself an author of a standard textbook on US economic history — “Clark asks the right questions.”

    And the primary question asked by the entire field is this: since the growth of wealth through out human history and prehistory gas been extremely slow, taking thousands of years for change by economic organization to yield obvious human benefits — and since this changed radically only 300 to 200 years ago, the deepest questions we need to answer is why then? Why in Great Britain first? And why not in other not long ago advanced civilizations like China? Or Islam? And given that the same technology and financial means of capital investment was, at least in theory, available to say Egypt — a colony of France under Napoleon, for example — why wasn’t the miracle of industrial production and it’s benefits successfully exported?

    For the generalist uninterested in these details, the historian Niall Ferguson’s videos on The West and the Rest delivers the goods, and his articulation of the Five Killer Apps explaining this unique success, and therefore why Japan, for example, was capable of quickly reinventing itself, while the rest of the world has often long struggled.

    Heinlein was ahead of his time, Art Deco. And that’s why a meer science fiction writer is so quote worthy today.

  30. “Here’s the question: are innovations the work of people who were in the right place at the right time asking the right questions, or are they the work of some collection of illuminati who can be found from age to age (being thwarted by “all right thinking people”)?”

    What, exactly, is the difference between “people who were in the right place at the right time asking the right questions” and “some collection of illuminati?’ Both pretty clearly refer to some small subset of Humanity as a whole doing work that benefits/advances the general population.

    Whatever else you might want to say about Heinlein, I don’t think you can accuse him of being a closet monarchist or lover of aristocracy. His philosophy pretty clearly holds that some human beings need to see what is over the horizon and others human beings don’t and that the former is a much smaller group than the latter.

    Mike

  31. Art Deco answers T and others by dwelling on whether it not the individualism that innovation requires, captured by Heinlein is true?

    The Scottish Enlightenment supported capitalist investment that the Dutch pioneered and the virtue of selfishness acting on it demanded and thus James Watt emerged with the steam engine changing world history forever. (Without him, could the engineer become the icon of modern achievement? As immortalized in Star Trek? Of course not.)

    His like is conspicuously absent from, say, Japan, for example.

    The many striking lines of exceptionalism that arose in western Europe — specifically, Northwestern Europe and around the North Sea — is assayed by HBD_Chick at her blog.

    https://hooverhog.typepad.com/hognotes/2013/02/rebel-girl-an-interview-with-hbd-chick.html

    This lengthy, detailed, and kink rich interview with her from February, 2013 nay interest Zaphod and others intrigued by her thematic interests: for how culture manifests and reflects evolving human biodiversity, hence the “HBD” moniker for Human Biodiversity which she advertises — which is also an innovative theme of Clark’s textbook.

  32. What, exactly, is the difference between “people who were in the right place at the right time asking the right questions” and “some collection of illuminati?’ Both pretty clearly refer to some small subset of Humanity as a whole doing work that benefits/advances the general population.

    One refers to people going about their business making incremental improvements. The other refers to an elite crew that Heinlein fancies make everything run from age to age.

  33. Art Deco rejects Heinlein’s distillation of Adam Smith’s insight as pablum?

    I don’t think it’s a distillation of Adam Smith and I’m offering that it is an erroneous conception, not that it’s pablum.

    I really cannot see that the economic decline in Western Europe over the period running from 250 AD to 650 AD is a function of all the best people thwarting Rand-Heinlein ubermenschen, though I suppose there was some of that.

  34. Heinlein was ahead of his time, Art Deco.

    I can never figure out why this is uttered as a praise.

  35. some human beings need to see what is over the horizon and others human beings don’t and that the former is a much smaller group than the latter.

    Is it people seeing over the horizon that matter, or people figuring out how to do the work in front of them more efficiently?

  36. Re: Heinlein quote,

    In this particular instance, I think that Heinlein exaggerated for comedic effect. But, he was not wrong, in essence.

    For an author of fiction, he got a lot more things right then he did wrong.

  37. Let’s not all sperg out on Economics now.

    https://www.takimag.com/article/the-age-of-cosmopolitan-globalism/

    “The modern synthesis of Marxist morality with Austrian economics has been made possible by the microprocessor revolution. On the one hand, it has made finance capital a weapon that was impossible in the analog age. On the other hand, it has made informational asymmetry into currency. Controlling the flow of information is the modern version of controlling the means of production.

    The result is a technological version of the Catholic Church in the late medieval period. Cosmopolitan globalism is a moral superstructure imposed on the people of the world. Instead of a model of throne and altar, the foundation is a tripartism of corporate power, state power, and the morality of the managerial class. Everything in cosmopolitan globalism, nothing outside of cosmopolitan globalism, nothing against cosmopolitan globalism.

    The old denunciations of democracy, liberalism, and socialism from the fascists of the last century have been updated in the new age. The public will, as expressed through the democratic process, is now systematically marginalized. Liberal principles are condemned as contrary to the moral order. Of course, any effort to restrain corporate power is condemned as socialism.

    Ironically, both the Marxists and the Austrian School adherents assumed that such a system was impossible in the long run. The violence and horrors of state capitalism would lead to revolution, according to the Marxists. The irrationality of centrally controlled economics would result in unsustainable scarcity, according to the Austrians. Time will tell if either is correct, but for now, the world is dominated by a synthesis of the two called cosmopolitan globalism.”

  38. There are hardly any adherents of Marxism in North America and hardly any adherents of Austrian economics on either side of the pond.

  39. @Art+Deco:

    You didn’t read the article and you didn’t understand. So why did you comment?

  40. Ar+Deco:
    That is not what McCarthy said about the State Dept. There were plenty of Marxists therein then, and there are plenty of Marxists now. Try the BLM founders; and founders lead the movement.
    Marxists abound in “higher” academia.
    In their personal lives though, all Marxists are capitalists.
    You can close your eyes but that does not make them disappear!

  41. The world is dominated by a synthesis…of Globalism and Austrian econ?

    This bizarre labeling is wrong. Instead, this otherwise very insightful piece missed that after the Obama years, young libertarian”s if an altruistic stripe — often sustained by the CATO Institute — collapsed. Their philosophy blog closed. No body was listening to them.

    This strategy during the Cold War years, long advanced by Austrian economist turned historian Murray Rothbard, attempted to hold the higher moral political ground by condemning both Left and Right, and through combining foreign policy critiques of the Left and it’s morality with open free markets on the Right.

    Few among these True Believers noticed that with the end of Cold War, the Right’s criticism of Communism and socialism was more correct than the boldest among them thought. And worse, despite knowing that the Left would use the Green Movement and global warming as their pink watermelon strategy, they could not really therefore oppose their moral hysteria by joining them.vlbThese “libertarians” could not oppose them and would not protect actual existing freedom.

    And therein lay their downfall when Obama — the first Marxist Hate America and American’s First president — assumed office.

    Rothbard’s strategy of ‘elbow in and influence the Left’ was an impossibility.

  42. That is not what McCarthy said about the State Dept. There were plenty of Marxists therein then, and there are plenty of Marxists now. Try the BLM founders; and founders lead the movement. Marxists abound in “higher” academia.

    If you invent random custom-made definitions of ‘Marxism’, you can find it anywhere you choose. Does make it difficult to communicate with anyone who is not you.

    I doubt the grifters who founded BLM know squat about Marxist social theory and historiography.

  43. You didn’t read the article and you didn’t understand.

    Start out with a nonsense thesis, and I cannot be bothered with a line-by-line read. Waste your own time.

  44. “Here’s the question: are innovations the work of people who were in the right place at the right time asking the right questions, or are they the work of some collection of illuminati who can be found from age to age (being thwarted by “all right thinking people”)?” [Art+Deco @ 7:06]

    Why do you posit that it must be either/or? My interpretation of the Heinlein quote is that this “tiny minority of people” are a group only when looking to the past to make an assessment of it. On the one hand there are figures like Isaac Newton (calculus, of course) and Charlemagne (who insisted on a standardized communication in the wilderness of Europe) but at the same time there are names lost to history who have made equally important contributions which have now become accepted as commonplace. Their minority status comes not from the fact that that they were rich, poor, or of Teutonic, Anglo, Mediterranean, African, or Eastern origin, but from the fact that there are so few such people throughout history who’s impact on life is exponential.

    A great case in point is Albert Einstein. This humble patent clerk published a work on his theory of relativity as early as 1905 (published in its familiar form of e=mc2 in 1912). He said that he tried to imagine how the universe would look if sitting on a beam of light; he theorized that time would slow and eventually stop as one approached the speed of light. He posited all of this at a time when physicists left their classrooms and went home at the breakneck speed of a horse-drawn hansom cab!

    Initially, Einstein’s ideas were not universally applauded and accepted, and in fact they were actually opposed by some right thinking people. His concepts were so ahead of his time so as to only be confirmable when technology caught up to his theory; technological advancments by more of Heinlein’s tiny minority.

    Now think about what history would be like if Einstein was kept from creating or was driven out of society. I offer that we, as a human civilization would be poorer, both figuratively and literally. If the response is then ” Well, if not Einstein, then someone else would have probably done the same thing” , that just reinforces Heinlein’s point; whoever, Joe Schmidt, Sarah Jones, it would be they who become part of the tiny minority.

    And as for your take on poverty, remember that throughout history, for every King or Queen, for every Napoleon or Hannibal, there are hundreds of thousands of peasants. soldiers, vassals, indentured servants, and slaves who are participating in this life experience. This is the natural state of the human condition.

  45. Art Deco avers “I really cannot see that the economic decline in Western Europe over the period running from 250 AD to 650 AD is a function of all the best people thwarting Rand-Heinlein ubermenschen, though I suppose there was some of that.”

    Wrong, in certain crucial respects. Emet Scott has revived historian Henri Pirenne’s posthumous 1937 thesis in “Mohammed and Charlemagne Revisited” — which is that northern barbarian tribes were a less important cause of the decline of Rome than the Muslim Holly War against the Infidel.

    Scott finds that the disappearance of papyrus paper in Europe, uniquely a product of the Nile Delta, is dispositive proof that Mohammed’s vicious wars from the 7thC onwards, and demonstrates that trade collapsed not just in the Levant but throughout the Mediterranean during the Middle Ages.

    Islam began in imperial conquest which was divinely commanded in the 7th C. This turned the Roman Lake into a blood filled zone of conflict and chaos. And traditional accounts of Rome’s fall and decline pretty much omit this completely.

    Without peace, who would be the Atlas to conduct trade? Only fools. Hence, the concept of defense as a shared public good, and the impossibility of anarcho- capitalism. Europe only entered the fray very belatedly to take back conquered Christian territories, and only half heartedly, save for the Iberian peninsula.

    Civilization makes capitalist risk taking possible and effective. And civilization is a complex and poorly understood good. But through failure, Europe eventually learned better.

    REVIEW https://lawliberty.org/book-review/when-the-spirits-collided-islam-and-christianity-in-the-course-of-western-civilization/

  46. T misleads on the way to his point. “A great case in point is Albert Einstein. This humble patent clerk. ..” Or rather a man who worked as a humble patent clerk. He did have a big, brash ego

  47. Incredible wilful obtuseness. Sometimes my mind just boggles at just how little flexibility otherwise obviously quite intelligent people display. Still there’s crystalised and fluid intelligence and they’re not quite the same.

    The argument is not that the USA is full of people waving copies of Rothbard or Das Kapital FFS.

    The argument is that we find ourselves now living in a curious synthesis where a combination of economic rationalist strip-mining of social capital and atomisation of the individual co-exists with an ideological managerialist elite who have a monopoly over what can and cannot be said or thought.

    I mean how does anyone here propose to fight Globalism and its poisons? Do you have a better model explaining why BLM, AntiFa and Google and Amazon and probably Cabelas when you get down to it are all on the same side against you? I’m all ears.

    The Z-Man and others like him on the Dissident Right are not infallible and doubtless get some analyses wrong. But some of the discourse here is constant regurgitation of the same narrow Overton Window of permissible guff — there are folks here who think that Ben Shapiro is a guiding light. This a guy who just spent last few days on Twitter defending Black Rock buying up neighbourhoods to turn people just one or two rungs down those finely delineated and carefully scored middle class gradations from most of you readers present into permanent rental serfs + doubtless do some Block Busting while they’re at it.

    Wake up. You don’t have to put on a brown shirt or anything.

  48. I doubt the grifters who founded BLM know squat about Marxist social theory and historiography.

    Art+Deco doesn’t know squat about the founders of BLM.
    _____________________________________________

    Black Lives Matter co-founder Patrisse Cullors said in a newly surfaced video from 2015 that she and her fellow organizers are “trained Marxists” – making clear their movement’s ideological foundation, according to a report.

    Cullors, 36, was the protégé of Eric Mann, former agitator of the Weather Underground domestic terror organization, and spent years absorbing the Marxist-Leninist ideology that shaped her worldview, Breitbart News reported.

    “The first thing, I think, is that we actually do have an ideological frame. Myself and Alicia in particular are trained organizers,” she said, referring to BLM co-founder Alicia Garza.

    “We are trained Marxists. We are super-versed on, sort of, ideological theories. And I think that what we really tried to do is build a movement that could be utilized by many, many black folk,” Cullors added in the interview with Jared Ball of The Real News Network.

    https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/blm-co-founder-describes-herself-as-trained-marxist/
    _____________________________________________

    Art+Deco does get the grifter part right. Cullors is the BLM founder who resigned after coming under fire for buying expensive houses in toney white neigborhoods.

  49. Cicero – I agree with you. And I am beginning to actually believe the DNC worked with China to unleash Covid in order to bring down Orange Man.

    I know … I must be crazy.

  50. But don’t doubt the imminence, transcendence, and awesomeness of RAH. Sort of goes along with rah, rah, rah.

    And who spends more time on Ben Shapiro here than the man from Can Do! ? I don’t recall anyone mentioning or citing Ben Shapiro other than the beeblebrox. Kind of strange, “those folks here.”

  51. Z Man’s piece and the exact section quoted above is to be recommended.

    The pithy line that recasts and updates for digital world wide web times the fascist Ruling ideal Mussolini espoused via his theoretician Giovanni Gentile in his (their essay “The Doctrine of Fascism”) line, “everything inside the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state” (or my memory’s version), which is also a classic statement of totalitarianism. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Doctrine_of_Fascism

    We live in unsure times. Uncertainty about solutions is compounded by uncertainty about perceptions and even the definition of the problems.

    We can shove aside the cartoon version of economics (eg, of the creators of the marginal utility revolution of 1870-1 that defines post classical economics, there were three, and only one was Austrian).

    Pithy us much needed if our efforts to slay today’s dragons and dogmatic soothsaye’s is to succeed

    I commend Zaphod’s recommend action to Capitalists, especially our Right friends. Let them read it and re-think their anti-oopilisn

  52. Art+Deco doesn’t know squat about the founders of BLM.

    Not buying and you are.

  53. The argument is that we find ourselves now living in a curious synthesis where a combination of economic rationalist strip-mining of social capital and atomisation of the individual co-exists with an ideological managerialist elite who have a monopoly over what can and cannot be said or thought.

    He brought up Austrian economics and Marxism. If he meant something else, he could have said something else, but he said that. Both are fringe in the Academy in this country and at least one is abroad.

  54. “The argument is that we find ourselves now living in a curious synthesis where a combination of economic rationalist strip-mining of social capital [Paul Ryan opportunists, NRO, GOP establishmentarians] and atomisation of the individual [open borders Koch bros] co-exists with an ideological managerialist elite [WEF and the Great Reset] who have a monopoly [Big Tech Oligarchs] over what can and cannot be said or thought. [Ergo, Chinese-Amerixan thought control undreamt by Orwell]

    “I mean how does anyone here propose to fight Globalism and its poisons? Do you have a better model explaining why BLM, AntiFa and Google and Amazon and probably Cabelas when you get down to it are all on the same side against you? I’m all ears.”

    All True. How do we get people pre-disposed NOT accept the reality of class interest based conflict while us knocks them in their face?

    Precisely what we’re all dealing with these days, Zaph.

  55. Emet Scott has revived historian Henri Pirenne’s posthumous 1937 thesis in “Mohammed and Charlemagne Revisited” — which is that northern barbarian tribes were a less important cause of the decline of Rome than the Muslim Holly War against the Infidel.

    See Philip Daileader’s commentary on this thesis and his alternative.

    Pirenne’s is an odd thesis. The economic and political life of Europe had been suffering for centuries ‘ere Mohammed was a figure on the Arabian peninsula and the secondary implosion during the 9th century was coincident with Viking raids.

  56. Asimov name-dropped Pirenne in his Foundation Trilogy for a bit of fun. But he gave bigger billing to Belisarius, the Man Who Might Have Been.

    “””Emet Scott has revived historian Henri Pirenne’s posthumous 1937 thesis in “Mohammed and Charlemagne Revisited” — which is that northern barbarian tribes were a less important cause of the decline of Rome than the Muslim Holly War against the Infidel.”””

    Anyone here digested Braudel? Isn’t he the go-to-guy for effects of Islamic Piracy on Mediterranean trade?

    I guess one could say that Viking Raids fundamentally changed the history of Britain, bits of coastal France, had something to do with developments in Southern Italy and made life short but interesting along some Slavic river banks.

    Certainly the Late Roman Empire in the West especially had run smack into the wall of a whole bunch Contradictions – plenty enough to keep those non-existent Marxists squabbling in taverns till the cows come home. Wasn’t looking good even without great movements of peoples impinging.

    The Islamic Explosion leaves us with huge what-ifs about what might have been had it not happened. Anyway nice to see someone trawling up old books. Next thing we know, the Progs will be bombarding us with Wells and Lancelot Hogben (Mathematics for the Million, anyone?). Might have to censor the things Wells said about Blacks.

  57. Interesting discourse on Heinlein’s observation*, but most of you are missing what I think is his point: When the negative effects of suppressing innovation are the result of deliberate action taken against the innovators, it is always labeled “bad luck,” because then it’s not the suppressors’ fault.

    It’s a woke joke.

    *For reference, that began way back here: T on June 14, 2021 at 4:01 pm

  58. Ran across this “definition?” of fascism today which is from a 2019 interview with Madeleine Albright. Very nice piece of projection in aide of getting her people back into the WH and the power and money that comes with it.

    What she is defining is totalitarianism of which fascism is only one means used to get to it. Of course she really meant is for the readers to see Trump as what she was talking about.

    “Fascism is hard to define. It’s not an ideology. It’s a process for taking power. The leader identifies with one group at the expense of another. Rather than finding a leader who can find common ground, when a demagogic leader is elected, it’s someone who knows how to manipulate crowds and make divisions even worse. One of the best quotes in my book comes from Mussolini, who said, “If you pluck a chicken one feather at a time, nobody notices.” There’s a lot of feather-plucking going on at the moment.”

    https://skoll.org/2019/07/01/five-questions-for-former-secretary-madeleine-albright/

  59. @geoffb:

    Re Madeleine (of ‘My Ancestry was News to Me’ hilarity) Albright,

    The Lewis Carroll Humpty Dumpty quote about the meaning of words just being a question of Who is to be Master is apt here.

    By contrast, here is an excerpt from the Z Man article I posted above which caused some ruckus:

    “The current version of history is that the free market team beat the central planners in the great ideological struggle of the 20th century. A certain group of synthesizers played a role, but their political and economic arguments have been discarded in favor of painting them as contemporary villains for modern liberal democracy. All that matters is market capitalism won over the central planners.

    Of course, transforming those synthesizers from the last century into all-purpose cartoon villains has an important role in modern politics. It hides the fact that the cosmopolitan global order has more in common with certain movements of the last century than the liberal pieties of today. The new world order is a synthesis of Marxist moral philosophy and Austrian post hoc market analysis.”

    Who the ‘Synthesizers’ were is left as a trivial exercise for the reader. Why that word is necessary and why the contemporary term cannot be used because the to use the ‘Correct’ word would explode all possibility of critical thinking or even any thought at all because said word’s meaning and associations has been captured by the enemy is illustrative of the difficulties faced in escaping from ideological fun house mirror mazes when we’re still in the thick of things and don’t have a few hundred years of distance to look back on history and second guess it.

  60. “Lancelot Hogben (Mathematics for the Million, anyone?”

    Hahahaha no effn sh…. oot.

    What are the chances. One in a million? Yellow fabric hard cover wasn’t it? Kid brother, picked it up at a neighborhood garage sale eons ago. As a math and science major it was not doing him any real good, so he left it laying around the folks’ house until I finally picked it up.

    All I remember was his “theory” of numbers. I don’t recall whether you would call him a mathematical realist or a “nominalist” (or conventionalist or whatever). But he did insist it was a language.

    That of course leaves open the question as to what, exactly is being referred to or is the exact subject of the conventions.

    “The argument is that we find ourselves now living in a curious synthesis where a combination of economic rationalist strip-mining of social capital and atomisation of the individual co-exists with an ideological managerialist elite who have a monopoly over what can and cannot be said or thought.”

    Nicely put. “Strip mining social capital” … and good will. There is a set of ideological blinkers that goes along with the extreme libertarian disorder and the kind of civic nationalism of the semi-sophisticated which seems to be a kind of religious impulse, that says, “Yeah Dad and Grandma’s sacrifices may have been all for naught and their descendants all dispossessed, but just as long as the flag of Old Altruism proudly waves, I’m just fine with that.”

    You know, if you are bound and determined to go all voluntary extinction, why not just go into a field somewhere, place pistol to head and pull the effen trigger; instead of dressing the impulse up as love for humanity … as you drag all your former compatriots and their children to Hell along with you.

    Again: 56% of young liberal females admit to having a psychological or emotional disorder according to a Pew Poll.

    I can’t get over that, or past it.

  61. @DNW:

    Now you mention it, yes… I think it had a yellowish cover with a fairly rough and distinct weave. Read bits of it and have dim memories of learning that there was such a thing as spherical trig from this book. Memory was jogged because as kid it occupied the same shelf space as Pirenne’s History of Europe (alluded to by Art+Deco in a post above) and Moon on Imperialism. So perhaps the old Memory Palace system of remembering things really works.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancelot_Hogben

    Interesting fellow.

  62. @Zaphod,

    Language is a key because all thought is done in language inside the mind before it is used to attempt to convey those thoughts to others. Others who must share, in some fashion, the same linkage between the thought and the word. Break that link and/or substitute another and the thoughts aren’t shared but a twisted other is.

    I’m no expert in language but I read the teachings, for over a decade, of Jeff Goldstein at Protein Wisdom who is one.

    Now bedtime calls me.

  63. “…language…”

    Everything seems to return to Orwell:
    He who controls the present controls the past.
    He who controls the past controls the future.
    (…which, no doubt, should be engraved in gold plate on the entrances to each and every Google and FB, et al., office…as well as at the WH gates, at least, under the current regime.)

    And it should be understood, as Orwell never ceases to explain, that language is the TOOL, the mechanism, of control (at least as far as the soul is concerned—there are other ways to control the body, or perhaps, more correctly, to get to the soul via the body).

    FWIW, Sharansky writes that one of the ways he was able to stay sane while in Soviet prison (and especially, while in solitary confinement) was to play and replay chess games in his head. That, I guess, and the innate hope that he would overcome the system—but where does that inner strength, that courage, come from?…

  64. @BarryMeislin:

    “He who controls the present controls the past.
    He who controls the past controls the future.
    (…which, no doubt, should be engraved in gold plate on the entrances to each and every Google and FB, et al., office…)”

    Indeed.

    You could also imagine Arbeit Macht Frei over the entrance of every GloboHomo Corporation and most Graduate Schools.

    Sharansky, Stockdale, Boethius. Takes a rare person to pull it off. I suppose in rare cases they are born fully-formed, but generally better to work with promising material: promising clay can be molded and fired <— Naturally a great deal of effort has been devoted this past 100 years or so to knocking the Master Potters on their Heads and demolishing the Kilns.

  65. I was told that we had to get rid of Trump, by electing Biden, so that the other nations of the world, especially our allies in the West, would like America again. Well, that seems to have worked, but our newly renewed friendships comes with public mockery and a total collapse of respect.

  66. Shouldn’t’ve believed ’em.
    (In fact, not sure if ANYTHING that spews from the Democratic Party or its media thugs or the international org orcs should be believed these days….)
    https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/06/what-happened-when-trump-tried-to-stop-u-s-funding-for-the-communist-chinese-wuhan-lab/
    Key graf:
    ‘ “Much of the scientific literature, perhaps half, may simply be untrue; science has taken a turn towards darkness.” ‘

    (…BUT, BUT, BUT GLOBAL WARMING/CLIMATE CHANGE!!!….)

  67. “Fascism is hard to define. It’s not an ideology. It’s a process for taking power.

    It’s not that difficult and you can repair to Stanley Payne and others to see a common understanding of boundary conditions. It’s not a process, it’s substance. You have to figure she has an ulterior motive in yapping this way.

  68. T @ 10:33pm,

    Not to take anything from Newton and Einstein, both were brilliant and extremely clever thinkers, but the history of invention and innovation is rife with examples of folks who posited out theories shortly before technology existed to exploit or test them. Yes, travel by foot or horse was still the mode of the day in most instances, but Einstein did refer to trains (and I believe, also, elevators) when explaining relativity (the holes left by a bullet shot at a moving train would be offset due to the train’s change in position during the bullet’s travel). And wasn’t Newton’s imagining of a cannonball shot at higher and higher velocity, until it could circumnavigate the planet before falling, what spurred him to understand the orbit of the moon, and, ultimately, his theory of gravity?

    Einstein imagined himself traveling on a lightbeam, and Newton imagined a cannon capable of firing shot at Earth’s orbital velocity, but would either man had formed those thought experiments without the existence of train or cannon technology? Trains were capable of speeds around 100mph in Einstein’s day. I suppose Newton could have thought of an arrow shot from a bow?

    How about Babbage and Boole? Positing out most of the basics of modern computing and programming while electronics was in its infancy. Or Konrad Zuse building his computer prior to the invention of the integrated circuit? Or Philo Farnsworth figuring out television from patterns made while plowing fields? Or the aforementioned James Watt coming up with the idea of steam locomotion from watching a tea kettle.

  69. Barry Meislin wrote, “That, I guess, and the innate hope that he would overcome the system—but where does that inner strength, that courage, come from?…”

    Barry, “our betters” are bozos. It’s obvious every day. Strength and courage are good, but all you really need is confidence that you are not a bozo.

    P.S. Thanks for the interesting links.

  70. Rufus T. Firefly,

    You are correct, of course about Einstein’s train observations. My point was not to negate or dismiss them, but to highlight the distinction of a mind contemplating the speed of 186,000 miles/sec in a world where most people traveled daily at a speed of 5 to 10 miles/hr. If you want to include trains, then make that ~35 mph. I offer that the distinction still stands.

  71. T:

    Entirely correct, those traveling at terminal velocity don’t pass along their insights even if they are not among those called “most.” They may have other things on their minds. But RAH, or rah rah.

  72. Not buying and you are.

    Art+Deco:

    This is a good example of why I find no value whatsoever in your comments. You say the founders of BLM “don’t know squat about Marxism” without any support. I cite a founder of BLM saying that she and the other founders were “trained Marxists” taught by the Weather Underground (who were not coy at all in declaring themselves communists.)

    Now you dismiss my cited argument, again without support or argumentation. “Not buying it” like you are the Pope in all such matters.

    Your comments are worthless.

  73. Sundowner a few times now hastened he might get in trouble with others if he speaks to much or answers a question wrong.
    Who is the puppeteer because it’s obvious the President isn’t running anything?.

  74. Zaphod on June 15, 2021 at 4:30 am said:

    @BarryMeislin …
    Sharansky, Stockdale, Boethius. …

    I don’t believe this. Where do you get off? Huxley, Hubert, and I … and maybe that TJ guy … are supposed to be the only ones who officially know the name of Boethius. [Though I would not put it past Aesop Fan or Cicero, either]

    Next thing we know you will be quoting Etienne Gilson.

    In celebration of the homeland of the latter, those inclined may now listen to Django cover La Mer. Others may choose the Bobby Darin version, in the unlikely event they have not yet been burned out on it.

  75. @TJ, T :humble patent clerk

    A patent clerk who had already earned a Ph. D. in physics… He wasn’t able to find an open teaching position so a classmate’s father helped him get a position in the patent office while he waited for something to open up.

    He was not an outsider to physics or academia, which is what a lot of people think when they hear “patent clerk”–which you can’t just walk into the door in either without some kind of formal science or engineering background.

  76. huxley:

    Style and substance don’t always line up in comments. IMO Art Deco is often dismissive and sometimes pedantic but not always. You get on your own high horse occasionally. I wouldn’t say your opinions are worthless when you do that.

  77. Frederick, that reminds me a little bit of a fellow who used to run an auto service shop in a quiet corner of this area up here. He might still be running it, I don’t know. But the interesting thing about him was that he had an advanced engineering education of some kind and habitually spoke in what one would have to regard as an extraordinarily elevated level of diction for a car mechanic. But he gave no impression of putting on airs – it was his natural speech. Once, for example, he answered another customer’s question about how long he, the customer, would have in order to do such-and-such, and this proprietor answered with, “An unlimited amount of time.” No affectation evident. It was a very unusual and culture-shock-inducing experience talking to him when he was in overalls.

  78. Rufus, I like your idea about the sort of incrementalism in the thought experiments that led to progress. It’s a kind of extrapolative mechanism.

    Frederick, I also appreciate your notation about the limitations of the evolutionary perspective – it’s something that I hadn’t thought about much, the fact that evolution and selection along those lines are contingent on environment. I guess it becomes fairly easy to forget that context. Following on from your point, I would say that those of us who would (like to) raise children based on some set of older, more classical values may be proceeding on the half-subconscious premise that the worm will turn down the road: that the social or socio-physical environment will at some point flip back into a state in which those values again prove their worth. It may be this that gives some of the folks in this category their motivation to go against the current grain.

  79. @Philip Sells:

    When I first lived in HK in the early 90s, experienced a weird kind of inversion of that effect. The Social Construct and Cultural Agglomeration mistakenly labeled the Han Chinese Race by Vicious Nazis named Zaphod amongst others has a propensity toward early onset myopia.

    Imagine my surprise seeing two intellectual gentlemen collecting the trash outside my office building. They were both wearing spectacles and being figuratively fresh off the boat, I couldn’t help instinctively promoting them a bunch of rungs up the cognitive ladder and then doing a double take.

    Today only the very poor don’t get LASIKed, so it’s not much of a thing anymore – except for noticing more schoolkids wearing specs than would ever see in the West.

  80. @ DNW – I did know those three great men (Sharansky, Stockdale, Boethius) but had to look up Etienne Gilson.

    “In 1913, while employed in teaching at the University of Lille, he defended his doctoral dissertation at the University of Paris on “Liberty in Descartes and Theology”. His career was interrupted by the outbreak of World War I, as he was drafted into the French Army as a sergeant. He served on the front and took part in the battle of Verdun as second lieutenant. He was captured in February 1916 and spent two years in captivity. During this time he devoted himself to new areas of study, including the Russian language and St. Bonaventure. He was later awarded the Croix de Guerre for bravery in action.” – Wikipedia

    That’s my kind of guy, and fit company for the trio.

    “Gilson considered the philosophy of his own era to be deteriorating into a science which would signal humanity’s abdication of the right to judge and rule nature, humanity made a mere part of nature, which in turn would give the green light for the most reckless of social adventures to play havoc with human lives and institutions.

    Got that part right.

    FTR, Sharansky’s writings are the only ones I’ve read, but I certainly admire the others from afar. And FWIW, I voted for Perot/Stockdale in 1992.

  81. I cite a founder of BLM saying that she and the other founders were “trained Marxists” taught by the Weather Underground (who were not coy at all in declaring themselves communists.)

    Let’s hear her give a disquisition on the Marxist understanding of the evolution of social systems, on the labor theory of value, or on some like question.

  82. @ Hubert …

    Hubert on June 16, 2021 at 9:44 am said:

    DNW,

    You give me too much credit. I know Boethius by name, but that’s it.

    Before Bobby Darin’s version of La Mer, there was Charles Trenet’s:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fztkUuunI7g

    He also did Boum, the big pre-war hit of 1939:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLBFeoikELo

    That’s interesting. I had probably seen that Trenet video at some time or another but had forgotten. He looks like the innocent wide-eyed kid pictured on the old Farina hot cereal boxes, grown to adulthood.

    Which reminds me of a visual image memory from some links I traded to Aesop Fan, in a comment thread some time ago.

    You don’t have to watch the video, but take a glance at the French fellow on the washboard and tell me that there is no rough similarity, to your guy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OddALnXIhkE

    The fiddle player there, is the highly impressive Adrien Chevalier, and the guitarist is Vinnie Raniola who for years has been Jazz guitarist Frank Vignola’s rhythm guitar accompanist.

    Raniola has branched out on his own, as can be seen in the D’Angelico advertisements on YouTube …i.e., “Vinny Raniolo, Vinny Valentino, Adrian Chevalier – “After You Gone” D’Angelico’s Throwbacks”

    That was the video that nearly sold Aesop Fan on an archtop. LOL

    [ Of interest to guitar players only; as it has lousy sound quality: Frank Vignola, and Vinnie Raniola with onetime childhood prodigy Julian Lage; who, in an impromptu virtuoso display, lights up a prehistoric Gibson L5, which might as well be a plywood cigar box in lesser hands.] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ7aYeU5V-w .

  83. DNW,

    You give me too much credit. I know Boethius by name, but that’s it.”

    Put to death by Theodoric, you will recall. Odd, that. I can think of three top “second tier” quasi philosophers who we still esteem today, who were put or forced to death in (more or less) Rome. Cicero (who tried to do actual philosophy), Seneca, and Boethius. There are probably several others as well.

    Anyway, the consolations of philosophy aside it is the question of “Universals” taken up again in a late post Aristotelian age which has forgotten the doctrine of “abstraction”; now struggling anew to come to terms with the nature of class terminology, or “that which is predicable on the many” which is of critical continuing interest to us today.

    Do universals exist or subsist? Are they in the thing or of the mind only? Are they corporeal or incorporeal? Etc …

    https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/universals-medieval/#OrigSpecMediProbUniv

  84. DNW,

    Being a philosopher appears to be a dangerous job. Good thing you chose to make a career in machine tools. Much safer.

    I know absolutely nothing about Medieval or any other brand of philosophy. Retirement resolution: buy a set of the old black-spined Penguin Classics (used–no more money for Mr. Bezos) and read through them.

    Thanks for the video. The washboard player/singer does indeed resemble Trenet, but without the mannerisms. Trenet was what James Ellroy would call a Strange-o. Probably on the spectrum. Anyway, that one made me look up more videos with Adrien Chevalier, including this set beginning with a nice rendition of “I’ve Found A New Baby”:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1xyGfnpviA

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