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Clinesmith: raise your hands if you thought…

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…that FBI attorney Kevin Clinesmith, the man who altered an email on Carter Page in order to mislead the FISA court about Page’s innocence and justify spying on him and other Trump associates, would ever pay any consequences.

No hands? Well, you were correct: no jail, no fine, just 12 months probation and 400 hours of community service.

I wouldn’t even call that a slap on the wrist. More like a love tap.

Virtually no consequences sends a signal that such lying is perfectly okay if done by the correct people in the service of the correct side. Clinesmith was the only one of all the miscreants to even potentially be in line to face some sort of punishment, but it was always unlikely it would be doled out to him. And the rest are not only scot-free, but right now they are sitting pretty because their party is back in power.

Not that it was ever out of power as far as the Deep State was concerned.

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Clinesmith: raise your hands if you thought… — 45 Comments

  2. Well that certainly buttresses my faith in the judiciary (not). Not that it needed any shoring up after the performances of Captain Ahab, or the standing in laches crowd.

  4. Dark state, dont underestimate the power of the dark.

    Dont underest light either.

    The end is near.

    The tunnel of darkness.

  5. The minor consequence for Clinesmith reminds me of an insultingly small tip a friend once left at a restaurant because our waiter was one of the rudest people I’ve ever encountered. As I was trying to decide what to leave for a tip, I almost left nothing at all. The service wasn’t just bad, it was insulting.

    My friend said, “Don’t leave nothing. They can always rationalize it away that you just forgot to leave it. I’ll leave a nickel, so they know we gave them exactly that and you *meant* to give them.”

    This minor slap on the wrist was meant as a message to us. If it had been nothing, people would find a way to rationalize that, i.e. a “technicality” or something. This was to let us know, for those who haven’t guessed already: There is one law for you, and one law for us. It’s unwritten, not in any book of statutes. Know your place.”

  7. I always knew no indictments would be the end of us. With no penalty of something you only get more of it.

  8. BTW, did Trump release many documents or pardon many people on the way out?

    I saw that he released something and pardoned a few, but didn’t seem like much. Perhaps I wasn’t looking hard enough.

  9. The judge who let him off is apparently also the guy in charge of the FISA court.

    Nauseating.

  11. And NRO’s Andrew McCarthy, the guy who loudly vouched for the integrity of the Russia probe and its investigators and they publicly admitted he was wrong, has posted something on NRO and tweeted three times today. NONE of it had anything to do with Clinesmith getting off.

    Mike

  13. huxley asks:
    huxley on January 29, 2021 at 5:03 pm said:
    BTW, did Trump release many documents or pardon many people on the way out?

    Fox Business host Lloyd Dobbs put it to John Solomon that little to nothing would get released, in early January; Trump acted too late to ensure that much got out.

    Solomon ducked, insisting that there would be more and much more to come, his sources say, and gave this example that was indeed released: “The Russia informant transcript the FBI didn’t want Americans to see — In secretly recorded talks with informer Stefan Halper, Carter Page dispelled key Russia collusion allegations before FISA warrant was even approved.”

    https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/declassified-russia-informant-transcript-fbi-didnt-want

    So, you are essentially correct, huxley. The Deep State coverup continues, aided by massive media censorship and abetted by denial, rationalisation, and projection by the Left and their Big Lie(s?)! Like, “Trump did it!”

  14. “[He] lost his job,

    As well he should have but I’m surprised he lost his job. He can learn to code!

    and his government service is what has given his life much of its meaning,” Boasberg said Friday.

    Who gives a sh$t!

    “He was also earning $150,000 a year and who knows where the earnings go now.

    Again he can learn to code.

    He may be disbarred or suspended from the practice of law, you may never be able to work in the national security field again.

    He should be disbarred and never be able to work in the national security field again but no worries CNN is hiring.

    These are substantial penalties.”

    Any body else would have all these and be doing the buddy system in the slammer!

    Yes a love tap is what he got … disgusting!

  15. Boasberg had the gall to say that this traitor had lost his job “and his government service is what has given his life much of its meaning.” And I think of the hundreds of thousands of Americans who gave their lives to preserve the rule of law which this little jerk has defecated upon.

  17. He may be disbarred, but the last I looked that seems to be a dead end. Neither DC nor Michigan Bar Associations seem to be doing very much about that. I hope Carter Page pursues disbarment.

  18. TJ:

    Thanks for the update on the release of docs and pardons.

    I was wondering if the Jan 6 “insurrection” made it more difficult for Trump to break some serious china on the way out the door.

  19. “and his government service is what has given his life much of its meaning” e.g., working for the Party. I’m sure the Party will find something he can dedicate his life to; something living, breathing. “It’s alive! It’s alive!” The Frankenstein constitution and it’s malleable laws. Just like this judge?

  20. brinster asks, “So why should anyone adhere to ANY law?”

    Obviously, the less equal animals will suffer grave consequence for breaking the law, whereas the more equal animals suffer little to no consequence.

    Gen. Flynn vs Clinesmith illustrates that those on the right can be law abiding and still face prosecution, while those on the right, guilty of actual crimes, receive at most a slap on the wrist.

    Due to ideological blindness, greed, arrogance and hubris… what the global elite and democrat leadership fails to grasp is that repeatedly sending the message that laws are for the little people… does in fact lead to the gravest of consequence. It just does it extralegally.

    As te fate of France’s Louis XVI, Marie Antoinette and nobility do testify.

    Yet, instead of the global elite taking note of the writing on the wall, they’re moving ahead with their suicidal Great Reset.

    BTW,
    AesopFan points to a revelatory insight over at “Issues and Insights”
    https://issuesinsights.com/2021/01/29/bidens-worst-executive-order-went-almost-entirely-unnoticed/
    It just occured to me how the elite plan to enable their ‘Great Reset’
    not through new law but by new regulations…

    “Biden wants the review process instead to be “a tool to affirmatively promote regulations” and “to ensure swift and effective federal action” on everything from the pandemic, to the economy, to racial inequality, to the “undeniable reality and accelerating threat of climate change.” In other words … everything.

  21. Correction: “while those on the right left, guilty of actual crimes, receive at most a slap on the wrist.

  22. There are two systems of justice. We see it again. The sentencing judge Boasberg, WHO WAS THE JUDGE LIED TO, tearfully sentenced him to probation and community service most likely at a Democratic foundation. We knew this was coming. It was signaled several months ago. Interesting that Carter Page asked for leniency. Someone said he thought Page was a deep state plant. This moves the needle towards that direction.

    As always when it comes to dissecting the inner workings of Deep State, you can’t get much better than Sundance. Read it and get very angry.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2021/01/29/fbi-lawyer-who-doctored-false-information-to-fisa-court-gets-12-months-probation-400-hrs-community-service-and-no-fine/

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2021/01/29/understanding-the-institutional-protection-racket-via-congress-main-justice-doj-fbi-and-fisa-court/

    Here is the money paragraph from the second article.

    “The system of DC is based on a series of unwritten rules… “You don’t out me, and I will not out you… and that will protect us both.” These rules cross over both parties to the extent they usually have a common enemy, us. The staff of Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham, Homeland Security Chair Ron Johnson and even the staff of House Oversight Ranking Member Jim Jordan are purposefully and willfully blind.”

    The only person I leave out of this is Devin Nunes. Jim Jordan will have to prove himself. He has not been his position long.

    Viva Frei and Barnes have not said anything about this yet. I will wait for the Sunday drop. I know belong to the Local Board. It is worth $5 month.

    This injustice fills me with more resolve. The supposed elites are revealing themselves. Soon even Sandy Cortez will start to notice. So I keep up the good fight. I will be the pebble in the pond. The first step of the Long March. Solzhenitsyn’s one who will not accept the lie. I act with purposeful cold anger.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/09/27/kavanaugh-cold-anger-and-the-reckoning/

  23. “No polite comment.” I stand with SHIREHOME.

    brinster: “So why should anyone adhere to ANY law?”
    As GB notes, the laws ARE applied. Just not to Democrats.

  24. Moral compass is now a hindrance. These developments are cuckoo in a very bad way. A little more than half the US is mad now. Irredeemably so. The script though is that the non-mad will be maligned indefinitely. My late dad (Omaha Beach veteran) and his peers would be so disappointed in, and the nature of these developments, (conjecture). Going to be a very long slog of Klinesmith and Co. scoundrel times overdrive. Imagine that Hillary openly suggests “re-educating” 70 million foes.

  25. I am thinking Old Testament times, a nation loses its way and it is no longer a blessed nation and all of the various sins run rampant, avarice, greed, pride, just go on and on. My wife and I had this discussion over dinner and a nation that pays money to kill its babies and makes that a political statement might not be a good nation. I don’t know, just saying. One more thing, may our Lord have mercy on us all.

  26. Clinesmith’s illegal acts didn’t just affect Carter Page.
    A reminder that with the 2-hop rule, not only was Page spied on….but anyone that contacted Page could be spied on…..& anyone that contacted THEM could be spied on too. Spied on, have all their present & PAST correspondence/phone calls collected, etc.
    Page & the others were just a door into spying on Trump & his team.

    About the 2-hop rule from Sharyl Attkisson – https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/485072-was-president-trump-spied-on-as-part-of-carter-page-wiretapping#.Xl6FN–f-6w.twitter

    “It means the government not only listened in on Carter Page, but also authorized itself to access highly personal communications of everyone who contacted Page (that’s “one hop”) and, believe it or not, everybody who contacted those people (“two hops”), even if those folks never actually made direct contact with Carter Page himself.”….

    “The government should immediately produce the following information:

    *The names of all Americans whose information was accessed or collected under the Page wiretap applications.
    *The database of all of the material collected.
    *The list of who accessed the material, when they accessed it, and with whom it was shared.
    *Information about what has become of the material, how it is being stored, and whether or when it will be destroyed.”…..

  27. A friend wrote: “Well at least we know we’ll only get probation next time we forge evidence for the FBI.”

  29. They hate us. They have ALL the power. Take that in.

    Jack says “ Yes a love tap is what he got … disgusting!”

    No. REVOLTING.

    That’s the only way to right the wrongs Americans live under, and the boot coming down upon our innocent faces for the crime of nonconformism.

    Let there be guillotines a sharpening for these scumbags and their Ruling Class bosses. Let them fall upon their Justly bloodied targets.

    I see that Kentucky Gov. Bashear has been hung in effigy, and “The First Amendment” already protected this done to then Prez Trump, just a few years ago.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i5iIsAMGLA

    It’s a small start. Let us start there, at least.

  30. Sad to say, Shipwreckedcrew is probably correct in his explanation of the sentence, but that doesn’t mean we have to like it.

    The prelude is long on background information, and then on how judges actually make sentencing decisions in general, and then why this judge in this case at this time was probably never going to do anything different.

    https://redstate.com/shipwreckedcrew/2021/01/29/about-the-clinesmith-sentencing-color-me-not-shocked-n318903

    “Hanging” Clinesmith on this conviction was never in the cards. If anything it would have only looked worse when measured against the fact that no one else connected to Crossfire Hurricane’s decision-making has faced criminal charges (yet).

    “Not hanging” Clinesmith is not proof that it’s all political and the fix was in.

    I’ve seen this same outcome dozens of times, and politics had nothing to do with the outcome of the other cases. What Boasberg did today was very likely consistent with his general practice in sentencing these kinds of offenses.

    You might think that “The FBI is corrupt”, and “The Deep State was out to destroy Trump”, and another number of other statements of outrage about what the Obama Justice Department did to the Trump campaign justified a harsh sentence for one of them.

    But those factors don’t usually have much impact. They have an impact — but it’s much more meaningful when the person on the other end of the sentence is a James Comey or John Brennan — not a Kevin Clinesmith.

    There’s always hope — right?

  31. Dragging this in on a technicality, which is that if the Left didn’t have Double Standards it wouldn’t have any at all.

    WARNING – this is NOT from the Babylon Bee.

    https://nypost.com/2021/01/29/black-lives-matter-is-nominated-for-a-nobel-peace-prize/

    https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2021/01/29/318988-n318988

    If You Thought Obama Getting the Nobel Was Something, The Latest Nomination Really Sends The Irony Meter Skyward
    By Nick Arama | Jan 29, 2021
    …
    When Eide was asked about the rioting and violence connected to the group, he spun their involvement.

    “Studies have shown that most of the demonstrations organised by Black Lives Matter have been peaceful,” he said. “Of course there have been incidents, but most of them have been caused by the activities of either the police or counter-protestors.”

    Yeah, no. What a way to excuse the violence.

    What he’s missing in his comment is the connection of the violent riots to the BLM. While an Armed Conflict Location and Event Data Project (ACLED) shows that only about six percent of the thousands of demonstrations/protests/events were violent (according to that one survey, others might take issue with that), even that still meant there were hundreds of violent riots.

    As Heritage explains:

    Buried inside the ACLED report, as enterprising journalist Joy Pullmann of the Federalist discovered, are numbers indicating that “of the 633 incidents coded [by the ACLED authors] as riots, 88 percent are recorded as involving Black Lives Matter activists. Data for 51 incidents lack information about the perpetrators’ identities. BLM activists were involved in 95 percent of the riots for which there is information about the perpetrators’ affiliation.”

    Eide is basically saying let’s just ignore all those riots with billions in damage, at least 25 dead according to the Guardian (others have higher numbers), law enforcement, former police like David Dorn killed, and hundreds of police injured.

    If you tracked that, it means essentially that — even if most of the BLM protests were not accompanied by violence, an overwhelming majority of the violent riots were instigated by BLM.

  34. I know it’s a target rich environment. But that Bee headline is hysterically accurate

  35. Do not be surprised if Clinesmith winds up making beacoup $$$$ as an “expert” commentator for CNN or the other propaganda outlets of the demonkrat party.
    Or maybe he gets hired by some well connected security firm.

    If one is a criminal, a crook, a fraudster, a lying, treasonous piece of s**t, AND is a liberal progressive acolyte , there is literally no crime that can be commited that will result in any meaningful punishment. In fact, they will be awarded a better paying job and/or a more influential job (in the media) as a result of their criminal activities.

    I guess some pigs are more equal than others.

    Welcome to the BRUSA – the Banana Republic of the USA.
    Or should it be the USSA – the Union of Soviet States of America?
    Regardless, the US Congress should be renamed the Supreme Soviet (the SS) ; this would be a far more accurate description of what they really are.

    And how about giving Jen Psaki a new, more accurate title; the Minister of Truth.

  36. A lot of people are going to want to know a lot about a lot of other people.
    I really don’t know much about other people. Sorry, never heard of the guy. Haven’t seen him in weeks/years.
    I don’t recall discussing anything like that. No idea what he does for a hobby.
    Some of the questioners will have badges….
    Happy to help out at an accident. But…otherwise…. I didn’t see anything.
    Memory’s fading, too.
    Do I need a lawyer? No? Then I need a lawyer.

  37. Virtually no consequences sends a signal that such lying is perfectly okay if done by the correct people in the service of the correct side.

    and you once wondered how Hitler and Stalin found murderers to run things…

  39. People here are radicalizing faster than ymar in 2007.

    This war has been 9ver for some time. The deep dark state are putting on a good show but i have already dealt the mortal blow.

    I saw yesterday this marvel videi about thanos in end game. Well this is the end game but both players know who will win. The best the ds can do is buy time or stale mate.

    It is too late. For them. And for the unawakened. Time is up. This is the unveiling epilogue. The book is pretty much done main arc

    *finger snap*

  40. And by an odd coincidence, sensing that he would get a lenient sentence, Clinesmith was not inspired to give any helpful testimony about co-conspirators.

    Well, at least that’s over with. Good job all around, team.

  43. There is something even worse here than Clinesmith’s non-sentence. It is that the real perps, the superiors in whose service he committed this crime, have gotten off scot-free.

  44. Another case lost in a black hole… whore h/t NAACP

    Virtually no consequences sends a signal that such lying is perfectly okay if done by the correct people in the service of the correct side.

    #InStorkTheyTrust

  45. n.n.

    Did you mean “#InStrzokTheyTrust” ? As in Peter Strzok the FBI counterintelligence super agent.

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