How far will Democrats go to loosen election procedures in order to ensure continual victory?
This chaotic 2020 election and the subsequent SCOTUS rejection yesterday of the Texas lawsuit have highlighted the enormous influence election fraud in big cities in swing states can have on the final outcome of a presidential race. We already knew – from “found” votes – that fraud in a big city in one state can affect the Senate contests in close races in that state. We also already knew that fraud in a certain city (such as was alleged in Chicago in 1960) can affect the outcome in the state as a whole and in a very close presidential race that can create a tipping point in the Electoral College that determines the outcome.
But never before (at least, to the best of my knowledge) have we looked at anything like what is alleged to have happened this year: coordinated and massive fraud in four deep blue cities, each in a separate swing state, determining the outcome in an election that may not even have been close otherwise. The idea is that loose rules and procedures for voting and vote-counting/authentication opened the door for such an opportunity for a small group of people to have an enormous effect on the outcome, and that our judicial system either lacks the ability or the courage to evaluate whether this really happened and if so how to remedy the situation.
A person doesn’t even have to believe that such fraud did occur to realize how dangerous such a situation is. I am deeply disturbed that our media (a big part of the problem anyway) has no interest in fairly reporting on the allegations of fraud, and that our judiciary is punting. But I’m afraid that’s what we’re facing.
The Texas lawsuit highlighted a question I think is of the utmost importance: do states have the right to challenge the election procedures in another state involving a national election, if those procedures are seen as opening up great vulnerabilities to and opportunities for fraud? And if they don’t have the right, should they have the right? If not, what’s to stop any state from loosening its rules so that elections are basically a sham? Or, what’s to stop a city in that state from being so lax about enforcing the laws that the city can effectively manipulate its votes to control the election results in that state?
That’s bad enough. But all that may soon be moot, because we face another threat that’s even bigger. If the Democrats end up controlling the Senate as well as the House and eliminating the filibuster, and if Biden or Harris becomes the president, I predict that the Democrats will revive their intent to effect an extremely radical remaking of election law in order to favor their party. You may or may not recall that one of the first acts of the new Democrat House when it was installed in January of 2019 was to pass (by strict party-line vote) the Orwellian-entitled “For the People Act”. It died in the Republican-controlled Senate, and so not all that much attention has been paid to it. But we need to take another look, because if the Democrats do get the Senate this time, I believe that passing it will be one of their first orders of business.
This is what Mitch McConnell said about it back then:
I think it’s more accurately described another way: The ‘Democrat Politician Protection Act.’
“This sprawling, comprehensive proposal is basically the far left’s entire Christmas wish list where our nation’s political process is concerned. What would it do? It would pile new Washington D.C.-focused regulations onto virtually every aspect of how politicians are elected and what Americans can say about them. So my Democratic friends have already tried to market this unprecedented intrusion with all the predictable clichés. Quote – ‘restoring democracy.’ Quote – ‘for the people.’ Really? The only common motivation running through the whole proposal seems to be this: Democrats searching for ways to give Washington politicians more control over what Americans can say about them and how they get elected…
To begin with, Democrats want to make the Federal Elections Commission a partisan institution…
…[T]he legislation that Democrats are moving through committee would throw away that bipartisan split. It would reduce the FEC to a five-member body and — listen to this — let sitting presidents hand-pick their majority. Obviously this is a recipe for turning the FEC into a partisan weapon.
“Democrats also empower that newly-partisan FEC to regulate more of what Americans say. That 3-to-2 FEC would get to determine what they subjectively see as ‘campaign-related’ — a new, vague category of regulated speech. There’d also be new latitude to decide when a nonprofit’s speech has crossed that same fuzzy line and subsequently force the publication of the group’s private supporters. All this appears custom-built to chill the exercise of the First Amendment and give federal bureaucrats — and the waiting left-wing mob — a clearer idea of just who to intimidate…
Perhaps most worrisome of all is the unprecedented proposal to federalize our nation’s elections, giving Washington D.C. politicians even more control over who gets to come here in the first place. Hundreds of pages are dedicated to telling states how to run their elections, from when and where they must take place, to the procedures they have to follow, to the machines they have to use.
“Democrats want to import the inefficiencies of state and federal bureaucracy to ballot boxes and voter rolls while making it harder for states and localities to clean inaccurate data off their voter rolls, harder to remove duplicate registrations, ineligible voters, and other errors, harder to check every box Washington Democrats demand before allowing you to pick your representatives. Provision after provision would make it easier for campaign lawyers to take advantage of disorganization, chaos, and confusion…
This sprawling power grab clocks in at around 570 pages. Seemingly every one of those pages is filled with some effort to rewrite the rules to favor Democrats and their friends.
Obviously, I can’t cover all the provisions in this post, but suffice to say this is an extraordinarily dangerous bill. It also contained voting rights for felons and statehood for DC. I don’t think any Democrat would vote against it. Would SCOTUS let it stand? The tradition is to allow Congress broad discretion to set rules for voting in federal elections (president, House, and Senate), although not in local or state ones (see this for an example). So it seems to me that a Democrat-controlled Congress could pass such a bill without SCOTUS interference, as long as the bill referred to federal elections only.
This is actually terrifying. The only preventative I can see – at least temporarily – is for Republicans to win those Senate seats in the Georgia runoffs. And unless Republicans continue to hold at least one branch of government, I think this bill or its equivalent will be passed as soon as the Democrats hold the House, Senate, and presidency. SCOTUS precedent is that Congress can pass laws superseding state rules in federal elections, and so I don’t see that SCOTUS will be willing or able to stop this sort of bill if and when the Democrats manage to pass it.
I’m no expert on election law, so if anyone can see a flaw in my reasoning I’d actually welcome it, because I find these conclusions of mine incredibly chilling.
The answer, of course, is they will take it as far as they possibly can so to stay in power indefinitely on a national level. Are there any Republicans in office willing to stand up to them before it happens? I have very serious doubts. And I’m sure Mitch McConnell gave the family-friendly version of what he really wanted to say about the bill. But he and every other Republican should be alert and take very much to heart that the Dems have this waiting in the wings. They are in the Dem’s crosshairs for obliteration as a party and I’m not sure most of them realize it.
One of the many neglected elements in this irrefutably fraudulent election is the importance of Democratic-machine politics in the major cities of the four important contested states. Aside from the obvious fact that the Democrats are more likely, as a party, to adhere to the unethical idea of winning “by any means necessary” (although there is no shortage of corrupt Republicans), there exists a well-documented history in the relevant cities (especially in Detroit and Philly, but also Atlanta and Milwaukee), extending many decades into the past, of using the full power of a strong political organization to produce as many votes as are needed for the desired result.
PatriotGal:
McConnell realizes it.
But the American voting public didn’t realize it when they voted in 2018 for a Democratic House, and they still don’t realize it. I’m sure that some GOP members of Congress realize it, but I’m not sure how many, and I’m not sure they can do anything to stop it even if they wanted to, if the Georgia runoffs are lost.
I would like more voters – especially in Georgia, but everywhere – to understand what is at stake.
Neo
As they were clearly willing to disregard the law to pull out a Biden win. The question is probably moot. They are willing to continue until someone stops them. That is their line.
The part I don’t understand is why after this anyone thinks they will grow a conscious at this point.
Neo
How do you know Americans voted for a Democratic house? Every single election since at least 2012 in which Dominion or any similar system was used is suspect. Every. Single. One.
The election fraud has another infuriating aspect: a probable loss of an additional 4 senators and 5-10 representatives.
Also, let us not forget the hanky-panky in Virginia, Arizona, Nevada, and most certainly California and New York.
j.e. alleges ” there is no shortage of corrupt Republicans.” That is not substantiated by the history of convictions in courts, though I agree that all power has the potentiality for corruption. But the point is whether it was legal or illegal, were the corrupt charged and convicted? Democrats have a long and dishonorable history in that regard.
Wiki has some interesting data on federal officeholder corruption going back to 1904. The Dems hold a clear edge. Five of them were convicted in a single fraud, the Abscam matter. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_officials_convicted_of_corruption_offenses
I make no attempt to tot up the number of local and state officials, which would be a monstrous task. But just see Rhode Island as a case study, a state Democratic through and through.
I have been posting comments here for some months indicating my fear the American Republic will soon be lost forever. I am sorry to not be wrong.
SCOTUS will not even HEAR the Texas case, because allegedly Texas has no “standing” to assure the votes of Texans cannot be undone–neutralized– in other states by fraudulent means. This decision is the height of judicial cowardice by all on the Court.
Cicero:
Why “by all on the Court”?
Thomas and Alito voted to hear the case.
If McConnell keeps his status as majority leader (Warnock and Ossoff loose) I would hope there are no vacancies filled on any federal courts. The tax of cowardice applied to the judicial branch, payback to Chief Johnny boy.
Democrats have forever forfeited their rights to demand audits and challenge election results in court, I really hope to see these hypocrites get the runoffs stolen by republicans using the same manner as they did and try to challenge the results by demanding to check the signatures. We should change the slogan from stop the steak to join the steal or embrace the steal
Hey, neo — let’s dunn our friends for commiserations sake, at least. They have few of them, and now getting fewer.
Neo, forgot, in my disgust. Gorsuch, Barrett and Kavanaugh voted against, and with the Leftist harridans and invertebrate Roberts, that did it with room to spare.
No hearing, for heaven’s sake! You may not be heard!
What about petitioning for a redress of grievances??
Texas, you may not be heard. Period. Nice country we live in.
I know several readers and frequent contributors here are global warming skeptics. Our old friend who blogs as “JeffId,” has several items of interest, such as graphs on the fraud that I’ve not seen anywhere else!
To those who don’t know, he is an engineer and entrepreneur, and makes quality control tools or devices? He live West of Chicago.
And remarkably, he’s even more sour with this fraud than we are. https://noconsensus.wordpress.com/
Go visit. His musings are under commented. Show him a bit o love.
You will not be offered this by the MSM:
https://ifapray.org/blog/video-trump-thanks-god-for-sending-jesus-to-redeem-the-world/
Merry Christmas!
This may have been covered elsewhere but maybe someone can give me an answer.
Article III Section 2 of the Constitution says:
The Judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority; …to Controversies between two or more States;
To me this seems to support Alito and Thomas…tell me why I’m wrong.
Cicero, on allegedly Texas has no “standing”:
According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_(law)#United_States , ”
“legal standing truly rests its first prudential origins in Fairchild v. Hughes, (1922) which was authored by Justice Brandeis….
Prior to it, the doctrine was that *all* persons had a right to pursue a private prosecution of a public right.”
That is to say, before 1922, courts dared *not* play “standing” games, in order to duck cases they didn’t like.
“The answer, of course, is they will take it as far as they possibly can so to stay in power indefinitely on a national level.”
PatriotGal2257
Agreed with one caveat. Upon what basis should we assume that the left and their political arm the democrats… will in subsequent elections limit their fraud to the national level?
Mythx,
“As they were clearly willing to disregard the law to pull out a Biden win. The question is probably moot. They are willing to continue until someone stops them.”
Bingo. No leftist has ever voluntarily given up power.
“The part I don’t understand is why after this anyone thinks they will grow a conscious at this point.”
Wishful thinking is essential when whistling past the graveyard.
Chases Eagles,
“Every single election since at least 2012 in which Dominion or any similar system was used is suspect. Every. Single. One.”
Agreed, they probably started small but the utter necessity to remove Trump led to implementing the Dominion system as widely as possible.
Cicero,
“This decision is the height of judicial cowardice by all on the Court.”
Only 3 justices can be fairly accused of cowardice. Thomas and Alito exhibited judicial courage. The four liberal/leftists can fairly be accused of treason. As they have to know of the massive electoral fraud. It was ideology not cowardice that led to their votes.
om,
Given the extent of Georgia’s electoral fraud and its support from Georgia’s Governor and Sec. State…, upon what basis is there to expect that it will not be used to ensure that Warnock and Ossoff will ‘win’. Isn’t it essential to the democrat party’s need to gain control of the Senate for that to be a political imperative?
Dave,
“Democrats have forever forfeited their rights to demand audits and challenge election results in court…”
What need of that, when they now control the outcome… forever?
Robert Sendler,
You’re not wrong. But the majority of the court are made up of traitors and those who currently appear to use legalistic ‘nuances’ to avoid their constitutional duty.
In the words of Antifa, “by any means necessary.” That phrase defines how far they will go; we should not ever underestimate them.
Succession. Texas Republican Party Chairman Allen West seems to be going there publicly, now.
RE: “Do states have the right to challenge the election procedures in another state involving a national election?”
No, especially in the selection of electors. Under the Constitution, each state has the right to appoint electors as they see fit. If a state chooses to appoint electors based on an election that allows corrupt political machines to have an unfair advantage, that is a matter for the disenfranchised voters in that state. Other states can’t claim that the process is unfair.
RE: “What’s to stop a city in that state from being so lax about enforcing the laws that the city can effectively manipulate its votes to control the election results in that state?”
Nothing. Much of the Constitution depends on a series of gentlemen’s agreements. The President and Governors are required to administer the laws — not just the laws he likes. The Courts are supposed to apply the laws, precedents, and procedures — even if the outcome isn’t what they want. There is a reason why we require public officials to take an oath: they’re supposed to do their job and serve the people of this country.
“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” — John Adams
RE: “This is actually terrifying.”
Absolutely. Democrats may have invented a new strategy: smear every election a GOP candidate needs to win. If they don’t get caught, they keep the stolen electors. If they get caught, the worse that can happen is that the results would get thrown out, but that remedy is almost never used. It’s a new type of blue firewall: one built on fraud.
The public can’t vote to change the agenda of the government in Washington or in key states. Leftists have no reason to serve the public or compromise, even with their most radical ideas. Without elections, they can do whatever they want — and they will.
NOTE WELL: For all the obvious fraud, no one has been arrested or even questioned by police. The people who committed these crimes are immune from any legal consequences because the “justice” system serves the same masters.
Citizens have three ways to fix the system: soapbox, jury box, and ballot box. All are being undermined. (Oh, wait, there was a fourth way: when all else fails, the cartridge box.)
In the words of Antifa, “by any means necessary.” –Joe Van Steenbergen
I believe the political usage goes back to Malcolm X, and apparently in French back to Sartre:
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We declare our right on this earth
to be a human being,
to be respected as a human being,
to be given the rights of a human being
in this society, on this earth,
in this day, which we intend to bring into existence
by any means necessary.
–Malcolm X (1964)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFe58KX4MHA&t=255s
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That man can still raise the hairs on the back of my neck. I can’t disagree when he says it — whatever today’s wannabes mean when they do.
Furthermore, I can’t help noticing some Brother Malcolm when I read some commenters here. They are not wrong either.
rcat:
“each state has the right to appoint electors as they see fit.”
Without going back to read the Constitution, my recollection is that it says “each state has the right to appoint electors as their legislature sees fit,” or words to that effect.
The issue in PA is that the legislature voted against the governor’s call to change the voting laws. So the governor went to the state Supreme Court and asked them to change the voting laws. They did so.
So the issue is, did PA follow its own constitution? And if they did not, does that impact Texas? I believe the Texas Secretary of State thought the answers to those questions were “no” and “yes” respectively. I agree with that analysis. I think the US Supreme Court got this one wrong.
F:
You are correct that “each state has the right to appoint electors as their legislature sees fit,” as a republic does. I also agree that the PA Supreme Court agreed with the governor. That set the stage for this. They “interpreted” the law — much the same way that the new 21-member Biden SCOTUS will “interpret” the Constitution. The PA governor and PA Supreme Court crossed the Rubicon, and there is no reasonable remedy after that.
Texas claimed that they used COVID as an excuse, but how does any state judge that it was only an excuse. If the PA Supreme Court approved and the election took place, little can be done. Lawsuits were needed before the election — not after.
I don’t agree that Texas is an injured party. Texas needs to to take care of Texas. The people of Texas have the right to a fair election to select their electors. The impact of that process ends at the Texas border. If PA chooses to be the “Land that ethics forgot”, dominated by cesspools of corruption in large cities, that’s their business. The people who have been disenfranchised are the people of PA. It’s up to them to fix it or move to Texas.
If you give it some thought. You realize exactly how bad things are. Many southern states had been operating under a consent decree for decades relating to the shenanigans they pulled in the 1940’s and 50’s.That lasted through 2019. Yet look at the situation now
No not only do we have a pretty good idea that a Biden AG will have no interest in looking at widespread fraud. The courts have backed everyone in a corner. By saying in separate rulings that an individual has no standing to bring a case. But also ruling states,and representatives have no standing either. You either have to believe one of two things
1) The courts think there is some magical combination of the aggrieved that would have standing
2) No one has standing.
I think they are implying (but outright refusing to say) its 2. Which leaves you one less way to fight this within the bounds of society.
The left has a huge advantage at this point. I tend to think due to the combination of educational/press/bureaucratic/tech alliance its pretty insurmountable.Heck even recruiting their antifa foot soldiers is a heck of alot easier for them. Selling them on The Revolution and dreams of endless equality (oppression)
I cant remember a time when a side won a conflict with Viva la Status Quo as its de-facto rallying cry.
This frustration that my voice will never be heard to affect any change has been felt for a while. Here in Washington we vote blue forever and one county steers the entire state, their individual voices be damned.
Texas joined the Union as a free, independent Republic in 1845, which no other state did, and thus has the best legal leverage to nullify that agreement (aka treaty?) and to secede.
@Cicero:
Legal Schmeagol.
Legal Leverage? Current Year? Melian Dialogue anyone?
How many divisions does Texas have?
More than the Pope, so that’s a start.
Millions of felonies committed by hundreds of conspirators and the courts are not interested. So what is Trump to do? Start by restoring constitutional rule of law. He should, on the night of Jan 5-6, arrest every @$#^% one of them or maybe the night of Dec 24-25 like Washington crossing the Delaware. What a Christmas present that would be.
McConnell won’t be able to stop anything in the Senate without President Trump in the White House. Look at his track record. So he needs start fighting for the President right now, if he wants to keep his Senate majority. But maybe, like Paul Ryan before him, he really wants to lose? Recent H-1B visa and NDAA Senate votes suggest it. Removing Confederate names from military bases while replacing American workers with high-tech braceros seems unlikely to win over undecided Trump voters in Georgia, in my opinion.
rcat:
At state level offices you’re right. But we’re talking about Federal office elections and Texas damn well has an interest in whether these states are committing fraud in a presidential election.
The democrats moves the goal posts in a case by case manner, in the matter of voter fraud they support absolute autonomy of states and no one including the court should have any say in or interfering with how a state conduct federal election despite a federal election is consequential to everyone else, but in the matter of abortion, gay marriage, global warming gun control, illegal immigration and other matters they cherish they would argue that how each state legislate laws regarding these issues is consequential to the whole nation therefore the Supreme Court and other states should have the absolute say on those and individual state rights should make way for them, damn all democrats, I have lost all patience in dealing with barbarians in suits and their bullcrap sugarcoated in sophisticated words. I am a coward I admit but now Civil war can’t come soon enough though, never could understood give me liberty or give me death until now, when injustice is so grave and you can’t stand living in such disgraced matter dying is the better outcome, I am nowhere extreme and if I feel this way probably 50 millions are angrier than me, you think you can just run the clock and steal the election without a fair audit of questionable ballots with 70 millions people mad like hell?
rcat:
This country is a federal Union, as in “United States”. So each state has a stake in the sanity of Federal elections in every other state. Otherwise the “Union” fails, and becomes a fake Union, as was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the USSR.
Which was not so big a problem until voting weeks before Election Day and digital voting systems like Dominion came long.
Our digital life will smother us under billionaire tyrants. YouTube “will not allow” posts on the topic of election fraud after Dec. 10.
The situation is probably more dire than most imagine. The election was stolen and you hear nary a peep from the National Republicans from whom power was stolen. Political parties exist to capture and exercise power. The GOP doesn’t care that power was stolen from them. In every election I hear “I will fight for you” from the candidates. Now, if they won’t fight for themselves what makes you think they’ll do anything for you… except stab you in the back?
The only real remaining hope is for the Republican controlled State Legislatures to step forward and take control of their electors. It’s up to them. As the Supine Count demonstrated on Friday, the brave jurists are eager to show their soft underbelly. And why not? They see what I see, the GOP won’t fight for their power so why step in and tell the Legislatures to take up the issue when they suspect those Legislatures would just say “oh, we’ll stick with the fraudulent vote of the people”. The “Rule of Law” you say? Nobody has greater contempt for the Law than Lawyers (and nobody has greater contempt for Free Speech than journalists).
In all likelihood the GOP is dead. It committed suicide. The real issue, now, is how to avoid becoming collateral damage. Happy New Year!
I see a total lack of will and courage by federal judges to deal with this election theft. A number of federal judges have written that the remedy requested is just too much.
Ergo, if the Dems steal the presidency they can’t be held to account because the crime is too big. This is too big to fail applied to the government.
We’re screwed.
Cicero and Zaphod:
Alabama (Fort Rucker [one of those CSA-named military bases], Maxwell AFB, Redstone Arsenal, and the Alabama NG) would throw in with Texas, if it comes to that. That’s at least two divisions. I say “at least” because Texas could bring a lot more to the table (e.g. Fort Hood–another CSA-named base). Add Oklahoma, and you’ve got Fort Sill (named for Brig. Gen. Joshua Sill, USA). Which is why those governors need to be talking with each other *now*, because after January 20 it will be too late for planning and we’ll potentially be in Red-on-Red, Dr. Strangelove-base-fight territory.
Robert Sendler and Cornhead:
Yup. The Great SCOTUS Punt made it official: there is no legal solution to the pickle we’re in.
Laurence Jarvik and ChrisS:
The Democrat Party (aka Socialist Unity Party of the USA) is passionately committed to the “fundamental transformation” of this country. The GOPe is passionately committed to lifetime incumbency and its place at the D.C. trough. McConnell’s legislative knife-fighting skills belong to the world we knew before November 3. Even if he had the cojones for it (and I don’t think he does), I’m afraid he’s not equal to the fight we’re facing. Would be delighted to be proven wrong about that.
A bright spot, if it can be called bright, is that deep blue urban America, by getting what they wanted good and hard, also appears to be committing suicide.
A viable state needs some security, law and order, money, jobs, ability to prevent brain drain, corruption and provide public services, not to mention a population with minimum literacy.
Maybe the term “failed state,” as it is used, would not apply to individual states in the United States of America, but maybe it does.
I saw this fraud in 1963 Philly and obviously nothing has been done to stop it. The courts in PA are corrupt; I don’t know about other states, but after all the legal challenges fail and law enforcement does nothing, the 4th option becomes necessary. You can vote your way into socialism (or by fraud) but you have to fight your way out. Venezuela is a prime example. There unfortunately the legislature can amend the constitution while here only the PA SC can do it (sarc on PA). Historically the Democrats refuse to buckle without a real, violent fight; the Civil War, the KKK, the Battle of Athens and other smaller situations. Only the brave non-violent action of MLK and his followers saved us from serious racial violence. The support for Trump displayed through out our land did not change the Dem’s tactics. I honestly believe because we normal Americans have not responded in kind to what they do, they assume we will accept their election fraud. THEY ARE WRONG, IMO. The fighting back in Olympia, WA and DC recently against the Dems shock troops, Antifa, is the first sign of what is to come.
What is ominous about the “standing” issue is that it can be dismissed in a hazy fog of opinions based on….subjective thought.
It prevents the justices from having to listen to iron-clad, irrefutable legal arguments, to being seen to listen to them, and then be seen to ignore them.
That would be a worse look than the “standing” decision.
In either case, they get the desired result; Trump loses and….what? Their families are no longer threatened? Under the counter threats of court packing are reduced?
Esther,
As Chases Eagles said earlier, “Every single election since at least 2012 in which Dominion or any similar system was used is suspect. Every. Single. One.”
Do they really deserve to get what they voted for “good and hard”? Do we trust that the majority of people actually voted for some of these idiotic policies and treasonous candidates? We’ve known for decades the Democratic machines in the big cities rig elections. 2020 has shown us that their operation is far more widespread, far more corrupt than we ever realized.
The Nuclear Option.
It seems a preposterous scenario. But Democrats were gaming scenarios fantastic scenarios last summer.
It’s probably the only way to right the ship, if it can be done at all. Better to do it now. There will be no later.
What are the chances? At least as high as the court system doing something about the stolen election.
The President has made several changes in the DoD leadership, but ultimately would the military recognize the threat and back the President if he declared the election void and required a federally supervised election in the states where fraud has been established? A majority of the citizenry thinks the election stolen. But Democrats were ready to go to war if President Trump won the electoral college and Biden won the popular vote by a substantial margin. The remedy, while extreme, is the only way to restore the Republic if the Legislature or Courts won’t perform their roles in defending a fair election.
During the Democrat election war gaming this summer, their outcomes assumed a worst case scenario including the military removing the President. This is very curious. Has their ever been this sort of gaming by a political party? A scenario that included the President refusing to relinquish his position? The Democrats had already put in place the sort of fraud we saw in several states. Was the Election Integrity Project just psy-ops to prepare for the potential of what’s playing out? It’s all so curious.
https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/08/02/democrats-war-game-for-election-includes-west-coast-secession-possible-civil-war-john-podesta/
At minimum, assuming the military backed the President to the extent that a truly fair election determined the results, a Civil War.
David Horowitz believes the Civil War started when Democrats Seceded from the Union in 2016.
https://pjmedia.com/columns/megan-fox/2020/09/25/david-horowitz-the-civil-war-started-when-democrats-seceded-from-the-union-in-2016-n967824
Nobody in the private sector making profits and paying taxes deserves to be stuck with Democratic Party policies — but there’s a huge number of folk in gov’t and in tax-exempt ngos and non-profits.
The strategy of “fighting fraud” is too broad. “Fighting for a state to not certify” is reasonable. Also “fighting for Free elections- one legal voter – in person – with paper ballots”
Massive peaceful protests are needed. But also achievable goals.
Getting rid of voting machines is possible.
Replace push mail-in ballots with signed absentee ballot requests, with reasons.
Requiring observers to sign off on batches of counted votes – no observers, no votes count. Including signature checking.
Leading thousands of cars to get a car congestion traffic jam in gov’t cities.
Some additional tactics:
always be very nice to cops. Ask them if they know about the election being stolen? Agree to do what they say, while asking for ID and names – and politely delaying as much as possible. So it takes 30 sec for one person, rather than 2 people a sec to move the cars.
Normals have been “too nice” for too long. Only protests that are inconvenient, that cause others some discomfort, some missed plans, only annoying protests count in the media. I won’t say it’s not time to be violent, but if you’re unwilling to devote multiple full-days of work-days to protests, you’re unlikely to be willing to fight at the risk of injury.
And we should be looking for full workday protests more.
My money’s on “TOO DAMN”…
I don’t agree that Texas is an injured party. Texas needs to to take care of Texas. The people of Texas have the right to a fair election to select their electors. The impact of that process ends at the Texas border.
This is why the discussion of separation has begun. The Court has decided that Federalism is back. It was ended by the Civil War but the USSC doesn’t want to get into ugly disputes so why not let the states handle it?
Blue states keep complaining that they pay more taxes and support the red states. I have a solution. Let us go ! I would like to see some red states starting to look at infrastructure that would need to be reworked. Texas has its own electricity grid. This came up when Obama was trying to regulate solar and wind, as I recall. Why should red states not look to their own grid ? The national grid is very susceptible to an EMP or even local sabotage. California imports 25% of its energy and plans to ban gasoline cars and trucks in 20 years.
The entire energy industry, except for a few places run now by Democrats, is based in red states.
Nuclear power will be closed down by blue states.
Transportation involves the central land mass, not the coastal crust. The blue cities make nothing but vote fraud.
“I’m just going to tell people the reality is, President Trump, as Commander in Chief has one last chance,” Rhodes said. “He has the absolute power to declassify anything he wants to, he should declassify all the dirty secrets in NSA, CIA, FBI files, and expose all the traitors in this country, all those who are bought and sold to communist China.”
He’s also in favor of invoking the Insurrection Act.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-supporter-he-has-a-duty-to-invoke-insurrection-act_3616634.html
I didn’t mention earlier that in 2018 the President signed Executive Order 13848
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/executive-order-13848-imposing-certain-sanctions-the-event-foreign-interference-united
Sidney Powell has suggested the President invoke the executive order, which could include impounding voting machines or appointing a special counsel.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/sidney-powell-trump-could-trigger-2018-executive-order-on-foreign-interference_3616680.html
RE: Robert Sendler: “We’re talking about Federal office elections and Texas damn well has an interest in whether these states are committing fraud in a presidential election.”
Actually, we’re talking about the selection of electors. I don’t see how Texas has standing. Sorry. Beyond that, there aren’t good remedies for this.
RE: Cicero: “So each state has a stake in the sanity of Federal elections in every other state. Otherwise the “Union” fails, and becomes a fake Union, as was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the USSR.”
What makes it a “fake union” is that the individual rights of citizens in PA has been violated; nothing was done before the election to secure those rights; and nothing will be done to punish those responsible. Protecting individual natural rights is a basic function of the Federal system. Sadly, it is NOT BEING DONE, and Texas can’t fix that.
RE: Mike K: ‘This is why the discussion of separation has begun.”
I agree. The system is broken: the Washington establishment is killing it.
I’m not convinced that peaceful separation is possible. For one thing, the Left seems determined to subdue and re-educate normal people. Therefore, they won’t let us go. I’m not sure they’re economically viable, anyway.
What I think will happen is that ordinarily peaceful normal people will conclude that they are being subjugated and ruled by an “elite” that hates them. And there is nothing that can be done to fix it. They will hit back. They can’t make Washington serve their interests or leave they alone. But they’ll get even. It won’t be a civil war with armies protecting borders. At least it won’t start that way. The Ruling Class will strike back by curtailing civil rights even more, and the normals will hit back harder. “This business will get out of control.”
“The Years of Lead (Italian: Anni di piombo) is a term used for a period of social and political turmoil in Italy that lasted from the late 1960s until the late 1980s, marked by a wave of both far-left and far-right incidents of political terrorism.” — Wikipedia
Johny Boy Roberts brought the PA fiasco about in the 4-4 decision before the election that allowed the PA Supreme Court and PA Governor to f-over the PA legislature who objected to the mail in voting irregulations. It’s your legacy Cheif Johnny Boy. Parcel of Rouges indeed.
TJ on December 12, 2020 at 6:32 pm said:
….. Our old friend who blogs as “JeffId,” has several items of interest, such as graphs on the fraud that I’ve not seen anywhere else!
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Second the recommendation.
And read his posts on global warming aka climate change aka snake oil salesmanship.
rcat,
“It won’t be a civil war with armies protecting borders. At least it won’t start that way. The Ruling Class will strike back by curtailing civil rights even more, and the normals will hit back harder. “This business will get out of control.”
The democrats will increasingly curtail the civil rights of those on the right. There will be protests. Totalitarians respond to protests with violent repression. That will demonstrate that a tyranny entirely willing to use unrestrained force has seized power.
And that’s when armed rebellion will erupt.
But it will not be a war between armies. Instead, it will be the world’s first War employing 4th Generation Warfare against the left’s tyrants and their thugish enforcers. And the urban infrastructure will be targeted.
Another book recommendation to accompany Peter Kemp’s Spanish Civil War Memoir (“Mine Were of Trouble”).
Have just started reading “Always with Honor – The Memoirs of General Wrangel” which gives an all too rare White Russian perspective on the Russian Civil War.
As always, the part which interests me most is the Kick-off — how a slow boil suddenly exploded into the really nasty stuff.
Very interesting.
In the context, I really like the subhead on this post by Jeff Id:
https://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2020/12/07/michigan-linear-x-axis/
“Do not tell us that this is about restoring trust in the voting system
when this is about restoring a voting system we can trust.”
Also some interesting graphs.
“You have better odds of winning the lotto AND being killed by lightening this month than naturally producing the vote ratios on the far right of the above graph.”
A really interesting point was one of his own comments:
Geoffrey Britain: Absolutely.
“This business will get out of control. It will get out of control, and we’ll be lucky to live through it.” — Hunt for Red October
The Right will form small groups of resistance to abuses of Federal power. The Left will over-react by clamping down on individual rights to stop “domestic terror”. The Right will gain more recruits and hit back harder. Neither side trusts the other. Neither side sees each other as human beings. And the violence escalates quickly.
The Years of Lead
AesopFan,
In my own small town in the Adirondacks, the local leftist rag had an article about how Dominion machines were used in our own podunk county. And quelle suprise, our normally bright red county’s most populous area went for Biden.
I can tell you, from driving through that region every day, and knowing plenty of folks there’s no way I believe that. Especially given the margin by which Elise Stefanik won re-election. The local rag was ALL-IN for her (seemingly perennial) opponent Tedra Cobb and Joe Biden. It didn’t help Cobb one bit and Stefanik won bigger this time than last.
I know the focus is on the battle ground states but I’d bet, if there had been no cheating, NYS may have gone for Trump. Especially after the Grannyslayer and DiBlasio’s handling of the Covid lockdown. Outside of the state, I don’t know if people understand just how much the dynamic duo are hated, even by leftists here.
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Over 1.700 known double voters, in Ga. But “Rep” SoS Raffensperger is not indicting any of them.
Only using lawfare, successfully, to stop the injustices and ENFORCE the law, will the law be obeyed. The cheating will increase.
Where are the million Rep protests around Atlanta against cheating?
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2020/12/13/with_runoffs_near_georgias_not_prosecuting_its_unprecedented_number_of_double_voters_126356.html
Why is the now-partisan ACLU allowed to train poll workers?
Where are the Rep volunteers to be honest poll workers? And watchers?
I don’t get the feeling much Trump nor GOP action is happening, tho I’m so disgusted / disappointed / fearful I’m not watching it so much.
interesting about white russians, their leader was kornilov, he had tried to dispatch lenin in july of 1917, but kerensky jumped the gun and jailed him, john reed actually thought it was a military coup, he was the jim acosta of this effort, warren beatty captured his cluelessness in reds, after the october coup, lenin dissolved the mostly menshevik assembly, then came an attempted rising around the time of the archangel landing, but the social revolutionaries lost their nerve, and djerzhinsky crushed it,
“A company that said it carried out a forensic audit of 22 Dominion Voting Systems in a small Michigan County this month, in a report on Monday, suggested that President Donald Trump take steps to ensure U.S. national security via a 2018 executive order on foreign interference after asserting that the Dominion machines are “intentionally and purposefully designed with inherent errors.”
“We conclude that the Dominion Voting System is intentionally and purposefully designed with inherent errors to create systemic fraud and influence election results,” read a report (pdf) from Allied Security Operations Group released on a website belonging to Matthew DePerno, a local lawyer representing a plaintiff involved in the case. “The system intentionally generates an enormously high number of ballot errors. The electronic ballots are then transferred for adjudication. The intentional errors lead to bulk adjudication of ballots with no oversight, no transparency, and no audit trail. This leads to voter or election fraud.””
https://www.theepochtimes.com/security-group-says-it-audited-dominion-voting-machines-declares-them-a-national-security-issue_3617693.html
The evidence continues to come in. We can’t expect the legislative body to react, since the Democrat controlled states see this as a feature.
President Trump must take bold action to restore election integrity.
BrianE:
Same story from MI picked up by the National Pulse;
“Report Claims Dominion Error Rate Of 68%, ‘Intentionally Designed To Create Systemic Fraud’”
https://thenationalpulse.com/breaking/michigan-dominion-report/
“How will the United States be defended? Local officials are often those most complicit in the corruption of the election. Judges, because of the doctrine of separation of powers, are often reluctant to tell states how to run their elections. The U.S. Congress has no role unless the Electoral College fails to deliver a winner.”
“Trump’s destiny is to fill the breach. He has taken an oath to defend the U.S. Constitution, and he has the presidential powers to do so.”
“Trump should use those powers as President to safeguard the future of our Republic and arrest those who have conspired to deprive people of their rights through election fraud. The Insurrection Act enables Trump to use the military to seize the key electoral evidence in contested states and deliver a transparent, accurate accounting of the vote. ”
https://www.theepochtimes.com/at-this-critical-time-president-trump-should-take-action_3617674.html
We are at a precipice. There will be no “return to normal”.
An action like this may well trigger even heightened tensions. States have already taken sides. The Democrats were going to use the threat of a succession by the west coast states, if the election didn’t go their way, so the Left has already set the marker.
This isn’t CWII, though. This would be more like a divorce. A messy, contested divorce. For instance, if Wash, Ore, Calif– maybe joined by Nev and Col. were to secede, how would their portion of the national debt be transferred? Would it be worth a war to prevent that? The Northeastern states would likely follow suit– and the Great Lakes states would no doubt want to join them.
This is of course, just exercising speculation, like the Integrity Election Project where Democrats imagined the Secret Service forcing the President to leave the White House.
BrianE:
Robert Barnes in yesterday’s videoblog with VivaFrei brought up the Insurrection Act and implied that used of the military in such a scenario is not an available option but did not elaborate. I don’t know which is correct. I’ve heard that the EO regarding election interference has Dec 18 2020 as a critical date, but again what actions are available? Civil War scenarios, and counting heads so to speak?
Another more recent EpochTimes article said that the MI forensic audit firm claimed that the ajudication logs for the Dominion systems were wiped or not available. Denied, of course, by the MI officials. Nothing to see of course (sarc).
Interesting synopsis of election anomalies by the end of November, by a pundit who picked Trump in 2016, though he thought Trump would also win the popular vote. Hmmm. Were Democrats weaving their Dominion magic even then?
https://democracyinstitute.org/reasons-why-the-2020-presidential-election-is-deeply-puzzling/
The foreign interference EO may provide an avenue to enforcing ballot integrity and voting security. Common sense tells us that issues like hackable voting systems and excluding observers produce invalid election results.
If the system is demonstrably secure, the burden of proof is on election challengers. Without demonstrably secure voting systems, the burden of proof is on state election boards to prove their results are valid.