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“shipwreckedcrew” on Viktor Shokin, the Ukrainian prosecutor fired at Joe Biden’s behest — 17 Comments

  1. This makes perfect sense. All we heard from the Fake News and Obama Administration was that the prosecutor was corrupt. And “everyone” thought he was corrupt. No evidence. No proof.

    Joe is going to jail unless he wins the election. And he won’t.

  2. I remember discussing this way long ago… Among a bunch of other things on Biden the boys and their friends…

  3. Joe will. I say Trump wins 39 states. Joe goes to prison. Unless, of course, he rats out Barack.

  4. Cornhead:

    Joe and Hunter will show that orange looks better in pairs. Orange on Barack, that would work too. “Come on man” as a defense?

  5. Here is an earlier version of Biden’s story.

    There’s no aborted press conference here, but the U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine is flabbergasted.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/08/joe-biden-interview/497633

    ….I don’t go in and make demands. For example, [Ukraine President] Poroshenko, I pushed him on getting rid of a corrupt [prosecutor] general. We had committed a billion dollars, I said, “Petro, you’re not getting your billion dollars. It’s OK, you can keep the [prosecutor] general. Just understand—we’re not paying if you do.” I suspended it on the spot, to the point where our ambassador looked at me like, “Whoa, what’d you just do? Do you have the authority?” “Yeah, I got the authority. It’s not going to happen, Petro.” But I really mean it. It wasn’t a threat. I said, “Look, Petro, I understand. We’re not gonna play. It’ll hurt us the following way, so make your own call here.”

  6. Hello.

    SWC: During his visit to Ukraine on December 6, 2015 – 11 months AFTER the funds were released by the UK Court, Biden demanded that Shokin to be fired, or the Poroshenko government would face the possible loss of $1 billion in US aid to Ukraine if that didn’t happen. Poroshenko obliged, and Shokin was fired.
    ——————————————–

    Now I will give you the Twin Peaks twist on this:

    Biden made this whole story up.

    By the way, he also never gave a date for it.

    The only source is the Q & A portion of Joe Biden’s January 23, 2018 appearance in front of the Council on Foreign Relations.

    https://www.cfr.org/event/foreign-affairs-issue-launch-former-vice-president-joe-biden

    ….I was—not I, but it just happened to be that was the assignment I got. I got all the good ones. And so I got Ukraine. And I remember going over, convincing our team, our leaders to—convincing that we should be providing for loan guarantees. And I went over, I guess, the 12th, 13th time to Kiev. And I was supposed to announce that there was another billion-dollar loan guarantee. And I had gotten a commitment from Poroshenko and from Yatsenyuk that they would take action against the state prosecutor. And they didn’t.

    So they said they had—they were walking out to a press conference. I said, nah, I’m not going to—or, we’re not going to give you the billion dollars. They said, you have no authority. You’re not the president. The president said—I said, call him. (Laughter.) I said, I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars. I said, you’re not getting the billion. I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a bitch. (Laughter.) He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time.

    Biden was in Ukraine only six times total, not 12 or 13 times.

    The anecdote with the cancelled press conference, or nearly cancelled press conference (it’s not clear what Biden is claiming) was initially supposed to have taken place in March, 2016.

    When it was realized that Biden wasn’t in Ukraine in March, 2016 the Washington Post said that the cancelled press conference happened during Biden’s trip in December, 2015), but I don’t believe any of that story checks out.

    Shokin was forced out in March.

    The loan guarantees weren’t signed until early in June 2016, right after the Ukrainian Rada passed a package of anti-corruption legislation the Obama administration wanted. And Biden wasn’t in Kiev for that signing ceremony, only the outgoing United States Ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, was.

    Putin;s agents used that on Giuliani (adding the twist that Shokin was investigating Burisma) and Trump saw at least that portion of the video probably about the spring of 2019. Giuliani assumed Biden hid the all important “fact” that Shokin was investigating Biden, but Trump bought the spin that Biden had boasted of stopping an investigation, which of course he did not.

    Everybody has assumed Biden’s story to be true, or known it was doubtful or false but been interested in protecting Biden.

  7. I don’t give a hoot about the timing.
    We have Biden’s own words- his own words, aka a confession- that he was meddling in internal Ukranian affairs that involved Burisma and thus involved son Hunter who was being obscenely reimbursed by “sitting” on Burisma’s Board despite, yes despite, his horrible history of cocaine and alcohol abuse, multiple failed “rehabilitation” institutionalizations.
    But it will be OK soon.
    This is what Biden will be, an incompetent, senile POTUS backed up by Kamala, who lusts for oppressive power and will be the first female president ever.
    This is what the millions of non-wealthy Democrat voters will bring about, their own misery and oppression. Let’s hear it for all the dumb and dumber women out there!

  8. Sammy Finkelman @ 9:09 re: Joe made up the entire story.

    I can believe that. Biden is such a fabulist. However that does not sweep away the central tenant that Hunter Biden was hired by Burisma to curry influence with the Obama administration. All those diplomats furiously testifying at the impeachment hearings knew about it and were warning about it before they were called on to do the deep state bidding. Fiona Hill, Marie Yovanocitch, George Kent et. al being so appalled at Trump’s blatant political threats that he had to be held to account and removed were protecting not the U.S. interests but Biden’s and other deep state actors interests like the Clintons.

    Now it is being revealed that Hunter was not influence peddling to gain access to “dear old POP”, but instead was a bag man for Joe. He laundered the funds. The Biden’s not being smart enough to launder them through a foundation. Or Hunter needed the money too much.

    This expose strikes at the core of the deep state means of enriching members of the favored ones. Go through the family. Schweizer books clearly detail how this racket works. Now the smoking crack pipe computer with irrefutable evidence has been recovered and published (unlike the AWAN’s computer or WEINER’s computer). Wonder why Romney is pooh poohing this story? I don’t.

    As an Internal Control Supervisor one of the my training points is that fraud always starts small. As the culprit gets away with it, the next act has a larger value. Then larger and larger until the person is caught. It appears that the deep state machinations are large enough to get noticed. Just like insider trading on Wall Street in the 1980’s and bank de-regulation.

    If Wednesday November 21st, there is indeed a smoking email or text that directly and explicitly ties Joe to the laundering of money expect the next debate to be called off. The Russia chaff will not be able hide it. Big tech will not be able to suppress it as our SAMIZDAT is now operational. Remember that Hunter’s two partners are now in jail for fraud while he is free. Bevan Cooney has provided his emails and has now been moved from his prison in Oregon to where no one knows. Curiouser and Curiouser.

    Remember this is NOT about Hunter Biden. It is about how Joe Biden used his family to gain wealth for them and now it appears himself. This is the story.

    Interesting factoid also is that FOX NEWS had it first and declined to publish it. It shows the leftward drift of that network outside its prime time line-up as Ailes is not longer in charge.

    ps: I like Shipwreck a lot too. He has replaced Andrew McCarthy explaining what DOJ process and procedures entail. So it appears he may have jumped ship from RED STATE. Too bad, I quite liked him there. He gave a good counter point to Sundance at CONSERVATIVE TREEHOUSE. I will start checking him on this site too.

  9. Shipwreck still writes for Red State, too. Follow his Twitter as he pretty much points and links to his articles in the journals.

    Joe likes playing the role of a regular guy, even though he never has been anything but an insider hack. He likes being likable, and that means he will make things up on the spot that make the story juicy and interesting, thus making him the center of attention. And frequently it gets him into trouble when people who check facts for a living get involved.

    I have no doubt this family is corrupt from top to bottom, that all of them realize they live off the spoils of Pay for Play access schemes that are directly tied to Biden’s political position in any given era. But I also think the family has had enough practice and cynical awareness to keep their mouth shut, and to use the time-honored tradition of gracing family members with favors and relying on them to be generous – paraphrasing Robert Barnes this past weekend.

    Family money-laundering schemes are the best-protected in many ways. All of it is corrupt, every action and every dime, but it will come down to this: What is provable, and convict-able. First Trump has to win.

  10. Don’t call yourself shipwrecked unless you wanna be wrecked.

    Aggie, First Trump has to avoid being Epsteined and JFKed. Round 2 of 3 left.

    Corona was the First Shot fired.

  11. 1. Thanks for the link to uncoverdc.com.
    2. I think Trump’s record as POTUS justifies his being reelected 10 times over.
    3. I hope some of you folks remember that back in 2016 I vigorously promoted support for Donald J. Trump if only because he was not the horribly corrupt Hillary. Well, in today’s world it’s even more crazy to decline voting for Trump because Biden is as immoral as Hillary.

  12. I haven’t followed the sad corrupt Russian-supporting Ukrainian politicians opposed by corrupt NATO+US supporting Ukrainian politicians. But I assumed Shokin was a scapegoat — and Burisma wasn’t found guilty of corruption.

    But almost certainly was guilty. Type II error – “false negative”.

    There’s not enough discussion about these two types of errors in the justice system.

    [These errors are also common in all medical tests and, in particular now, every type of COVID test has both false positives and false negatives.]

    The Dem media continues to make many errors against Reps (false accusations) and in favor of Dems (false excuses so crimes go unpunished).

    The entire FBI chain of command, up to and including Wray, should be fired and even prosecuted for obstruction of justice.

  13. You guys have it all wrong! Shokin wasn’t fired because he was investigating Burisma — Shokin was fired because Cornpop wanted the job! You see, after Joe hit Cornpop with the chain, Joe took him under his wing and enrolled him at Delaware State. You see, even though Joe was so smart that he graduated first in his class at DSU, and was captain of the football, basketball, hockey, baseball and track teams, he still had time to tutor Cornpop. While Joe took a year off to build dams to supply the poor with water in drought-wracked Africa, Cornpop went to law school, where he did so well that he became Attorney General of Minnesota. Of course, that job was no challenge for someone of Cornpop’s intellect, so he decided the Ukrainian Prosecutor General spot was what interested him next. Joe, returning from his stint as speechwriter for Neil Kinnock in the UK, decided he, too, would go to law school, which he finished in only one year. When he graduated, he ran for the Newcastle City Council, and the rest is history.

    What? You don’t believe me? Shut up, you fat dog-faced pony soldier!

  14. “If Wednesday November (sic) 21st, there is indeed a smoking email or text that directly and explicitly ties Joe to the laundering of money expect the next debate to be called off. The Russia chaff will not be able hide it. Big tech will not be able to suppress it ” – Sparticus

    Just for the record, said smoking evidence did drop Thursday, October 22, and the debate went on as scheduled, 90 minutes later, and Biden stonewalled and denied everything.

    See NY Post and many others Thursday morning on Tony Bobulinski’s revelations.

    https://nypost.com/2020/10/22/hunter-ex-partner-tony-bobulinski-calls-joe-biden-a-liar/
    “I have heard Joe Biden say he has never discussed his dealings with Hunter. That is false. I have firsthand knowledge about this because I directly dealt with the Biden family, including Joe Biden,”

  15. Sorry – Bobulinski’s statement was made Wednesday, October 21.
    Thursday’s bombshell was this one:

    https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2020/10/22/biden-business-associate-tony-bobulinski-drops-another-bomb-right-before-debate-n267607

    Former Biden Associate Tony Bobulinski, one of the individuals on the controversial email chains found on Hunter Biden’s laptop, delivers a statement as the scandal grows:

    “I have heard Joe Biden say that he’s never discussed business with Hunter. That is false.” …
    Bobulinski shows the phones he says he will be turning over to the FBI:

    “I brought, I guess, for record, three phones that spanned the years 2015 to 2018. These phones have never been held by anybody else besides myself.”

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