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  1. I will admit that there was a time when I was a teen of the 1980s that I looked back on the 1960s as “exciting.” I was a conservative, raised by conservatives, who at one time wanted to be a cop; I wasn’t interested in drugs, riots and sticking it to The Man. I idealistically saw battles having been waged and won. It didn’t occur to us teens of the 1980s – at least in the large metro area where I grew up – to hate people because of their skin color. I knew that I had life choices that my mother never had. Avoiding online TMI, let’s just say that in my family, among my generation, old rules about religion and race no longer affected our relationships. I envied the chance my mom had, by virtue of her age, to have fought on the side of right.

    Obviously, 30+ years have passed and I have long since realized that my image of the 1960s was naïve. Thanks to the left, I also have come to understand that my beliefs that these battles were fought, won and over also was naïve. Racism and similar isms will never die, as long as the left exists.

  2. According to leftists and their enablers in the MSM, only irrational believers in wild “conspiracy theories” could possibly imagine that Soros is funding Antifa and BLM, yet a massive amount of evidence supporting this claim is available at David Horowitz’s Discover the Networks website.

  3. According to leftists and their enablers in the MSM, only irrational believers in wild “conspiracy theories” could possibly imagine that Soros is funding Antifa and BLM…

    This is yet another of the myriad reasons to ignore any claim made by these lying vermin.

    Re Soros, any government too feeble or feckless to react against an organized, relentless, and well-funded attempt to overthrow it will not last, one way or another.

    Here, either the left will win, ending the present regime and replacing it with something that will lead the country to a similar fate to that of Venezuela, or it will lose. In that case, we will have a government that would actually notice the endless treason by the left, and react accordingly.

    That is, it will treat the left like the left wants to treat most Americans.

    Ugly, in either case- and at the end, I suspect everyone will have wished the left simply respected election results and declined to- well, act as leftists always do.

    Fat chance of that.

  4. Gov. Walz has demonstrated his incompetence in this situation. Time for the president to take command of the Minnesota National Guard.

  5. I commented earlier (https://www.thenewneo.com/2020/05/30/why-is-an-angry-mob-attacking-cnn-in-atlanta/#comment-2497735) about a 2016 report on Black Lives Matter activists (called Operatives in the report):
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    Importantly, [the Operatives] revealed that their goal was not to help Black America, but rather to “create an engine that moves into larger social upheaval.” To achieve this goal, the Operatives are undertaking a concerted effort to take the undergirding philosophy of Marxism, where society is divided into the “Haves and the Have-Nots,” and reinvent it in the era of Black Lives Matter through the term “Privileged.”
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    You’d better believe the hard left is organized and is pulling strings behind this and sending in shock troops to agitate. Which is not to say there aren’t some promising amateurs getting their first taste.

  6. 60s? Bah!

    I am nostalgic for the 80s. I was young, the shooting war was over, and we had a President who believed in traditional American ideals. We were going to win the Cold War. The economy took off. It was great.

  7. The Babylon Bee is on point as usual:
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    Colin Kaepernick arrived at the Minneapolis riots last night, saying he was excited to be a part of the looting and violence.

    Kaepernick tried out for the riots by throwing bricks into windows but missed every time. He was able to rush a Molotov cocktail into a target window and then spike it on the ground, but then he caught fire. Finally, in a last-ditch effort to get selected for one of the riot squads, he filmed a workout video and sent it to various protester organizations but hadn’t heard back as of publishing time.

    “While we appreciate Kaepernick’s enthusiasm, we need someone who can lob a Molotov cocktail accurately,” said a representative for the rioters. “We wish him the best of luck in his future rioting career. We believe Kaepernick will land on his feet with another rioting organization. Maybe Chicago or Louisville will want him.”

    The former quarterback quickly blamed his failed rioting career on racism.

    “Rioters Decline To Sign Colin Kaepernick”
    https://babylonbee.com/news/rioters-decline-to-sign-colin-kaepernick

  8. Detroit is famous for having had one of the more notorious and violent “race riots” of the 1960s.

    Sometimes remarked upon, is how it destroyed the future political prospects of young liberal, progressive Democrat mayor Jerry Cavanaugh; touted by propagandists as part of the new generation of Kennedy-esque or inspired politicians.

    Much of the energy expended on the postmortem analysis of the riot, was devoted to explaining how things could have gone so wrong with a progressive liberal finally in charge. Much of the ink was spilled on analyzing preexisting conditions and longstanding grievances, such as the “problems” caused by freeway construction which allowed upwardly mobile married whites to shake the hassle of city life off, and the issues entailed by a comparatively late migration of hundreds of thousands of uneducated and unskilled blacks and whites to the city in the immediate post war years; just as go-getters were migrating out to newly formed suburbs.. Detroit’s comparatively generous municipal dole allowences were reported by sources of the era, such as “Time Magazine”, to have materially contributed to, in effect , restructuring Detroit demographics with an imported replacement population of unskilled and uneducated lumpenproletarians.

    One thing usually ignored is the critical role Cavanaugh himself played in setting the stage for the eventual violence with his conscious and calculated decision to employ divisive and hostility confiming racial campaign politics in order to coalesce enough votes to take the mayoralty.

    He ultimately reaped what he sowed. His career in shambles he died at 51. The fate of the city is too well known to bother remarking on.

  9. So we’re treating the virus as a bad seasonal flu now, right? I haven’t heard anyone in the media gnash their teeth about a “second wave” coming from all this lack of social distancing in the riots. I haven’t heard anyone hysterically predicting mass deaths due to the riots as they did with people going to the beach.

  10. Neo: “By the way, on a personal note, I don’t know why so many people are nostalgic for the 60s.”

    I’m certainly not. I lived in and saw much of the violence, arson, looting and lawlessness. It’s my observation that the same things are beginning to happen and the motivation of the instigators is much the same. The big difference is that technology has given the anarcho/commies better means for organizing/planning/executing their destruction and our Democrat politicos are even more feckless than during the 1960s/70s. What stopped the lawlessness back in the day?The perps began to get killed themselves. Blew themselves up, got shot by National Guardsmen, were given no quarter/mercy by police/FBI in many cities. When their opponents fight back hard, the anarchists usually fold up their tents and go underground again. Like Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, and heir fellow travelers.
    For a summary of Antifa’s precursor see this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground

  11. J.J.,

    And just like the 60s we had a manned rocket launch in the middle of the upheaval. Something inspiring in these depressing times, anyway.

  12. I didn’t like the music.
    Seems the best breakfast was a bowl of jalapenos and a tumbler of vodka to get through the day.
    And fashion was a madras shirt and wheat jeans.
    Then you enlist to check all the boxes.

    That said, I was in college for some of the worst riots–two miles outside Detroit for one–couple on campus.
    The efforts at organization were pretty lame but given communication of the time, it was the best they could do. Time and place. I never saw anybody running around trying to arrange tactics.

    Ran into a guy who was a Detroit cop. Said the deaths were way over the forty three reported.

  13. “Why, according to the governor, it’s white supremacists who are to blame.”

    They’ve got their narrative now, watch for this being regurgitated 24×7 at an MFM near you. Even if they found only one “white supremacist”. Or zero.

  14. There are really two “60s”. The earlier part (actually most of the decade) was very different than the decade is portrayed. Think of movies of the era, like late Hitchcock, or many Jack Lemmon movies. Mostly, that was my childhood. And toward that era, I have a lot of nostalgia. It really was a great time to be a kid.

    The late 60s was my teens. There’s a little nostalgia, of course, like my first having and actual girlfriend. But that is just a function of my age. For the most part, you can have that era. Including the music.

    The early 70s really are part of “the 60s” as they are usually portrayed. That, for me, was college. And of course, another kind of nostalgia. (My own college years were quite prolonged, because, well, it was the 70s and I was very innocent to plunge into that hedonistic swamp.)

    But one thing I will say for that era. Even in HS, I quickly saw through the left. These were people who idolized Mao and the Little Red Book. I was much younger than Roger Scruton, and of course much less intelligent. But at about the same time, I had the same reaction. I knew I was on the other side.

  15. By the way, on a personal note, I don’t know why so many people are nostalgic for the 60s. –neo

    It’s not that mysterious. If you felt yourself part of the era’s messianic utopianism, in which the world would be made new and far better, the 60s were exciting and joyful. If not, not.

    “Woodstock” is a good rorschach test. If you watched the film and saw a bunch of foolish kids taking drugs and getting rained on in the mud, you were right. If you saw an astonishing number of young people celebrating together the possibility of a new world, you were also right.

    As we know, messianic utopianism did not win the day. Remaking the world was a tougher job than Timothy Leary and Charles Reich (author of “The Greening of America”) promised. Eventually the party was over and the Woodstock Generation got on with working and raising families.

    Those who didn’t buy into the 60s are welcome to congratulate themselves on their commonsense. If they wish to sneer at that time and those people, feel free. However, I don’t see the latter as anything to be proud of.

    On a personal note, the 60s counterculture was my refuge from the nightmare of my straight life at home and school. To a surprising extent, it worked.

  16. Maybe it’s just me, but I suppose that if enough of America burns, then Hillary and Obama and the Democratic Party, generally, won’t have to answer for their unprecedented—there’s that word again!—criminality and abuses against the country they purportedly pledged to serve and supposedly love….

  17. Neo, is there a typo at the end of the last block quote? The line “Let’s start with the most likely possibility: you voted for Democrats.” is too good to be part of the LA Times story, so I presume it is your commentary resuming.

    It would be interesting if you contrasted the craziness of the sixties to the present day for those of us who did not witness them. The sixties seemed more revolutionary and transformative than now, but the sense of dread seems pretty bad today for people who value American freedoms and ideas.

    Perhaps there was still a coterie of liberal (in the good sense) intellectuals who were part of the academic establishment back then whose descendants have been effectively purged from universities and media? So, each ratchet left leaves little hope of a corrective adjustment back toward traditional American norms?

  18. Matthew M:

    Thanks.

    That’s not my comment or that of the LA Times, though. It seems to be from commenter “AesopFan.” I’ll fix it.

  19. 700 urban riots, a doubling of the index crime rate, the beginnings of a 12 year period in which the divorce rate trebled, the advent of the abortion culture, the beginnings of a massive increase in the frequency of illegitimacy, a horrendous decline in performance standards (behavioral and instructional) in the schools; much of our haut bourgeois siding with the enemy in the Cold War, and, in general, injecting poison into political discourse; a clutch of politicians and generals making a dog’s breakfast of the VietNam War, the advancement of lawlessness among federal judges, the beginnings of the self-immolation of the Catholic Church, the beginnings of horrendous declines in standards of grooming and personal modesty, &c. No, not nostalgic.

  20. “It’s not that mysterious. If you felt yourself part of the era’s messianic utopianism, in which the world would be made new and far better, the 60s were exciting and joyful. If not, not.”

    Great point. And you still see these pitiful Boomers with their grey ponytails despite being totally bald on top; especially in Vermont. I was high school late 60s, college early 70s…that was my left era. I’m ashamed to say how I got caught up in it all, though I was in Boulder :). As I got a job in the early 80s and started paying taxes, I returned to my conservative roots as that’s how I was raised by my parents.

  21. Matthew M:

    The disruptions in the 60s were more dramatic because the culture had been more conservative prior to the 60s. We’ve come so far from that time now that we’re already starting further along on the spectrum of leftism. You are correct that back then the Democratic Party and the universities, although somewhat to the left, were more moderate than now, or at least had room for moderation. No more. And I believe the ratio of sincere useful idiots in the movement back then to hardcore revolutionaries or nihilists was greater than now. And the latter group is more well-funded and organized now, I believe.

  22. huxley:

    Do you think I’m sneering? I was there, right in the heart of it. I did not feel superior to it; I felt frightened by it. I felt the nihilism and I heard the stupidity and destructiveness at an SDS meeting I went to. For me, it was not some touchy-feely countercounture dance-and-music movement. I’m not saying that to be superior. It’s just what I observed. I could not watch cities burning down on TV and celebrate. And I don’t know how anyone else managed to find that freeing. Maybe it’s a case of not being an optimist. I don’t know.

    Right from the start I did not believe the revolutionaries were good guys. They simply did not sound like it or act like it. Maybe I also had the advantage of having studied Russian history and literature of the 19th and early 20th centuries, as well as having had relatives who were Marxists. I’d heard them make excuses for bad things.

  23. In 1963 I was in my first year of high school, the country went downhill from that moment.

  24. If they wish to sneer at that time and those people, feel free.

    I’m not sneering. I’m giving them my upraised middle finger.

  25. Not useful idiots, useless idiots. A shame in any time and for any city, but especially for MSP.

  26. Eeyore:

    When I say “the 60s” I mean the late 60s and even to a certain extent the early 70s. The early 60s were more or less part of the 50s. I date the 60s transition watershed year as 1967, although it had been building for a while.

  27. If it comes to a Korea Town moment my advice is to shoot the white dudes wearing the bandannas or balaclavas. Rule 303. These aren’t youths led astray by demagogues. RICCO actions are also needed.

  28. Ahh, facts, but do they matter?
    -The photo of the cop’s knee on the supine Floyd’s neck made us all wince, but the initial autopsy findings are NOT of a crushed larynx and death by asphyxia; the autopsy showed he had both hypertensive heart disease and coronary artery disease (bad heart muscle and bad arteries for those of you in Rio Linda!), and we don’t know about intoxicants in him yet.
    -I read someplace the kneeling on neck is a recognized police procedure for subduing.
    – The cop was charged with murder by the DA in the shortest time ever between event and arrest for murder in Minneapolis history. No investigation. But now see the autopsy!
    -The photo triggered obscene mob violence, theft and arson in Minneapolis and St. Paul.
    -Now we learn of riots/thefts/arson in Atlanta, in Portland, OR, in Houston. Because a black man died in Minneapolis?!? Atlanta is a prosperous, predominantly black city! Portland, the Leftist capital, is racist?
    -The majority of MSP arrestees are apparently not Minnesota residents.
    -Cornel West, perhaps one of the ugliest black men ever, a true racist who became a Princeton prof after holding the same job at Harvard, has pronounced America a “failed social experiment”, apparently because of inequitable distribution of physical and capital assets. Apparently, he feels the looters just took what was rightfully theirs anyway. He seems to want us to follow the communist model.

    It is my impression that South Central L.A. never recovered from its (?1968) race riot . And Deetroit’s was the progenitor of that city’s decline into the toilet.

    We have spent untold trillions on the War on Poverty. We’ve done all the civil rights stuff, elevated blacks above the common man because of skin color with Affirmative Action, and most still (by data on income, education, etc) do not measure up. Surely Lightfoot, the black female mayor of Chicago does not measure up when she says to Trump: “F U.” The mayor!

    At some point, we must conclude that by gene or by golly, it is the blacks’ deficiencies, not whiteys’ oppression, that matter.

  29. In the 1960’s the music was great, the girls were young and beautiful and loved to dance and then in 1963, my first year of college we had JFK killed, the Viet Nam War heated up and the hippies started doing their protest stuff. Interesting times and I spent the last four years of that decade in the Army three years out of the USA and when I returned in 1970 it was a different nation. Then as now the left worked very hard to promote racial unrest and while most of the nation was trying to get along there was enough racist stuff going on to make good TV most every evening, with protestors on both sides doing their activities when the cameras were turned on.

  30. -Cornel West, perhaps one of the ugliest black men ever, a true racist who became a Princeton prof after holding the same job at Harvard, has pronounced America a “failed social experiment”,

    Great. Let’s hand him a nansen passport and deport him to Malmo.

  31. Personally, I liked the 50s best. I was in college and had a great time,. I was not getting laid, which is probably the source of much of 60s nostalgia, since the birth control pill was not invented until 1960, when I was already married. The late 60s and early 70s were ruined by Lyndon B Johnson who decided “I will not be the first president to lose a war. ” And he wasn’t. Nixon took the brunt of the left’s rage.

  32. Do you think I’m sneering? I was there, right in the heart of it.

    neo: I didn’t say you were sneering, but many conservatives do and some make no bones about it right here in this topic. I hope you noticed.

    However, I don’t understand why you don’t understand why some people are nostalgic for the 60s.

    Yes, I know you were there, but apparently not enough “there” to get the appeal of that era for some, such as myself, even if you didn’t share that experience.

    BTW when I address you personally, I start my comments, “neo: …”

  33. I grew up in Manhattan.
    We had friends—professional class—whose son was a pretty bright kid. Nice kid. Decent kid. Older than me by say six or seven years.

    He was accepted to Columbia in the late 60s and was so disgusted by it all that he quickly decided he had to get out. So he moved to Alaska and drove 18 wheelers.

    Just basically disappeared.

    (Guess he didn’t quite catch the “romance” of it, either….)

  34. huxley:

    Believe me, I was there, extremely there. I was in the belly of the beast, as it were.

  35. When I say “the 60s” I mean the late 60s and even to a certain extent the early 70s. The early 60s were more or less part of the 50s. I date the 60s transition watershed year as 1967, although it had been building for a while.

    neo: Quite right to include the early 70s, though I would include the civil rights movement in the early 60s as well.

  36. Believe me, I was there, extremely there. I was in the belly of the beast, as it were.

    neo: But you still don’t understand why other people can be nostalgic for the 60s.

  37. huxley:

    Well, perhaps I’m nitpicking, but I don’t include the early 60s civil rights movement. That was part of the 50s to me, a 50s that began with Brown vs. Board of Education and culminated with the 1964 civil rights act.

  38. huxley:

    Note that I didn’t say I don’t understand. I said I don’t know why, and what I meant by that was that although I understand the reasons they give I don’t see why they failed to see and be deeply affected by the overwhelming other side that was bad (and I list some of those bad things). I get and understand what attracted them.

  39. ” Assassinations, war, riots, the breakdown of standards, domestic terrorism, aimlessness, and a lot of vapid stupidity. ”

    I make that six out of seven so far in the Raging 20s, but the decade is young.

  40. I don’t think it should be forgotten the part the lockdowns and the last three months in general are playing into this. The apocalyptic doom of so many has created an extremely negative and confrontational society and that pressure was going to burst out at some point and I think this is a lot of it. Just think of all the rioting and mayhem these Antifa idiots have missed out on. They even sat out May Day in Seattle which is like their rioting holiday but even Antifa was afraid of a bunch of rabid Karens.

  41. I work in Saint Cloud, Minnesota, 90 minutes north of the Cities. It’s a good place to raise kids; quiet, neat, and mostly blue-collar. Rumors of trouble heading our way spread yesterday, so the mayor called out the the National Guard and some stores boarded up. A local group “CloudUnite” had called for a demonstration at the lake in the middle of the town. Not much happened. I left the office around 2 a.m. (big programming project) and before going to bed, put the rifle in the corner behind the door to the mud room (like back on the farm in South Dakota). I imagine I wasn’t alone in doing that last night. We don’t expect trouble, but if it comes, we’re ready. Minnesota is a sea of red with a big blue island in the middle. I think it will go for Trump this fall.

    The abomination that got elected as Attorney General, Keith Ellison, was saying last night that the riots were the work of “white supremacists,” who started it by smashing windows. Obviously, that’s going to be the narrative now. There’s some suspicion that the AG himself was behind a short video showing a suspicious looking white guy breaking a window. Well, if it is White Supremacists and maybe Russians doing the rioting, then the Mayor and Governor should order the National Guard to shoot the looters, right? Sure, we wouldn’t want to shoot grieving black protesters, but everyone hates Russians and White Supremacists, don’t they? So fire away! And then we can find out who’s really doing the rioting.

  42. And it’s on in Seattle. Idiots are walking down I-5 through downtown and cars are on fire and someone apparently stole a cops gun and started shooting.

    Can’t believe it took this long.

  43. Hope King Jay doesn’t hear about this. Don’t these protesters know King county is still in phase one?

  44. Note that I didn’t say I don’t understand. I said I don’t know why…

    neo: Now you are nitpicking.

    The Answer: Not everyone had the same experiences as you did and drew the same conclusions.

    I encountered the hard left. They took over my first commune and turned it into something miserable and frightening. I backed off hard from those folks. I learned later they were hooked up with the bombers back in New York.

    But there were a lot of sixties folk — most of them in my experience — who weren’t hard left and just wanted to have fun, do creative things, and maybe make a difference in the larger scheme of things.

    Those were the people I hung out with and I had a damn good time. It was wonderful. And, as everyone agrees, the music was great.

    I’ll bet if Gerard cared to reminisce a bit honestly, he could tell you some similar stories of his 60s days.

  45. “Who are these guys?”

    Underemployed college graduates who have been indoctrinated to hate capitalism, and have found how to get a special high that drugs don’t give.

    Riot Adrenaline Rush.

    They love it. It’s like the revolution. I’m sure many get home and have very very hot sex after it. Hemingway had that right about Socialist revolutionaries and the ENERGY needed, the excitement, the sensuousness of physical destruction, the power, the partial release which feeds an unsatisfied hunger for more.

  46. I worked with a lovely woman years ago, smart and intelligent and we got into a discussion one day about the late 60’s, I said I was in the Army overseas and really confused about what was happening in the United States. She told me she was having the time of her life at the University of Minnesota during the Spring Protests when they shut down the admin building, she was against boys being killed in Viet Nam but more than that she was out of class, drinking a bit and smoking a bit and she told me she had her bra off and she had great tits so it was a very good time. She also mentioned she had no real interest in politics or who held any particular office because she was a kid having fun.

  47. It’s really very simple. Don’t resist arrest.

    True. Given that he was cuffed, it’s not clear why he was subject to additional restraint. The additional restraint may not have been the decisive factor, but the optics are terrible.

  48. I lived through the sixties. As many have said, the early part was a lot better. Assassinations, domestic terrorists, and cities burning were not so good. Watching videos or reading statements these last few days from people whose businesses and dreams are being destroyed is heartbreaking. Leftists and anarchists don’t care about people as individuals. They’re just pawns.

  49. This discussion about eras, and the evaluative reminiscences are interestimg.

    To some degree, as is now obvious to all, when the question is asked “How were those years?”, the answer is, unremarkably, “It depends”.

    If your parents were young, healthy, upwardly mobile, and you were 10 years old or thereabouts in 1965 or 6, then life was new houses, color TV, the promise of new stuff, and fun. Maybe a cottage ” up north”, or maybe at least an above ground swimming pool and a new bar-b-que, and some patio furniture. And a 100cc mini bike. The best thing ever.

    If you lived in a city that was on the downslope, if your folks were older or in straightened circumstances, and if you were placed in a public school selected to be part of a social reordering experiment, then whatever you might find fascinating or valuable about those years won’t likely be related to fond domestic memories.

    So while you were in Vietnam, maybe I was sitting on the floor of the family room watching Star Trek, and I Spy.

    On the other hand if you were visiting Granny Yoakum in Northern Arkansas in 1969, and drinking in the peace and quiet of the old family place, I was attending a junior high where a local population explosion had suddenly placed all students on a double shift half day school schedule; and living in a larger regional society where social antagonism between white collar and blue collar, between management and unions, and between white and black became the oppressive atmosphere of everyday life.

    That was just about the same time Father Moron, was pushing the revised catechism of social justice – just when I had grudgingly absorbed at least some part of tthe old which I barely believed either – and made the whole congregation sit through a P.A. system delivery of “Bridge Over Troubled Water” sung by that warbling idiot wimp duo of the little short guy and the other clown who looked like Larry Fine of the Three Stooges. That, mealy mouthed namby pamby substitute religion, was a religion, unlike the one that officially preceeded it the year before, that no amount of rationalizing could persuade one, was true.

    Oh, and my guitar teacher was some hunch shoulderd ass who wore striped bell bottom pants, shirts with big blouse sleeves and tight cuffs, flowery neckerchiefs, and had something like a Prince Valiant hair cut. B.O. too.

    Yeah, so it kind of depends. On what? Well as they say in the old movies, ” that kinda depends too”.

  50. OldTexan:

    The fact that I had a boyfriend in Vietnam combat colored things quite a bit for me to the dark side.

    Panty raids were fun, circa 1965. Antiwar demonstrations 1969 were not, at least not for me.

  51. Minneapolis/St. Paul, Atlanta, New York, Chicago, Nashville, Dallas, Los Angeles, Salt Lake City, Portland, Denver, Seattle, and more…

    Not all because of George Floyd. Also not all Antifa. More going on here.

  52. huxley:

    I used my own personal experience, and you describe yours, but in addition I listed larger events – assassinations, war, etc. – that is part of what I’m talking about when I think of the 60s as a whole. Whether my personal experience was worse and yours better – and I don’t doubt many people had really good experiences of them – I’m talking about the perception of the 60s as an entire historical phenomenon, which in my opinion had negative effects that override the positive ones. I certainly understand there were positive ones, and I even experienced some of the positive ones. But as a whole I think the 60s effects were not good, and I am not at all nostalgic for them. I also understand that plenty of people differ with me on that.

    As far as Gerard VDL goes, he’s written a lot about the 60s and no doubt had a very good time. But there’s also this from him:

    Taken larger it was the death of the 60s and all that we once “imagined” it meant. And all of it happening in a way that would be echoed in later years as the 60s died again and again – and always a death at the hands of those that lived it. I might have seen it then, if then I could see clearly, as a portent of so much that sprung from those fertile blindingly optimistic years that would go wrong and twisted in the years ahead, but “I am no prophet and here’s no great matter.”

  53. DNW: Well said.

    My tiny point is there shouldn’t be a mystery that some, not all, but some people today could be nostalgic for the 60s.

    For some of us that was a great time, not a perfect time, not a time that delivered on all its promises, but still a great time and it would be nice to feel a bit of that today. Hence, nostalgia.

    I would throw in that, for a lot of us in the sixties, “when I was young and supposed to be having fun” as neo puts it, straight life was pretty miserable and the countercultural life was an improvement, however imperfect.

  54. But as a whole I think the 60s effects were not good, and I am not at all nostalgic for them. I also understand that plenty of people differ with me on that.

    neo: Great. So, you said,

    I don’t know why so many people are nostalgic for the 60s.

    Are you now saying you do?

  55. So a couple weeks ago mothers and fathers were being arrested for playing with their kids in parks but now cities are being destroyed and law enforcements mostly sits and watches.

  56. Read the post and comments. Had to think a bit before commenting. Changed HS so started my Junior yr 1962 being the new kid on the block. The kids there had mostly grown up together. Had my first girl friend and my first heartbreak. Then Nov 22 happened. I watched Lee Harvey Oswald shot on TV. Then my second girl friend, lasted until the end of first yr of college, 1965. She dumped me same day got my grades. Flunked, big time. Scrambled to stay in, changed majors. 1968 – started to think about the draft, met the woman with whom I have spent the last wonderful, and at times difficult 52 yrs with. MLK, RK. US Navy to avoid the draft. Was aboard a ship when the festival happened, didn’t even know it did happened. Out in 70.
    I was not aware of politics as such. I and my wife got on with life.
    Now, we both just don’t know what the hell is happening in the US.

  57. LYNN HARGROVE: Just because you mentioned Lee Harvey Oswald, provided a catalog of personal claims and today I’m watching “Bull Durham” on Amazon Prime, I’m going to throw down the Kevin Costner speech on what Crash Davis believes.
    ______________________________________________

    Well, I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman’s back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days.

    “Bull Durham (1988) – What Crash Believes”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn5crhTusSA

    ______________________________________________

    I’m pretty much there except I’m not much for good scotch, however hard I’ve tried.

    Plus I hope to reduce the “heaviosity” of my comments, as a Viet Nam vet once called me on, when I waxed political in his presence.

  58. I was born in 1965, so I didn’t “live through” the ’60s as is usually meant*, but as a student of American history I’ve always considered that “The ’60s” really ran from November 1963 (Kennedy assassination) to November 1972 (landslide Nixon re-election).

    * (years ago I was talking with an older co-worker about how I was a “child of the 1980s”. A younger co-worker piped up and said he was too, and I told him “you weren’t a child of the ’80s, you were a child in the ’80s.”)

  59. Cicero, on “-I read someplace the kneeling on neck is a recognized police procedure for subduing.”
    Not for someone who’s *already* cuffed!
    (Unless you’ve exhausted all alternatives, e.g. use of pressure points.)

  60. huxley:

    Nope, I’m not saying now I do.

    I’m saying that I know why a person would be nostalgic for the things he/she personally experienced during the 60s, if his/her experience was good. I don’t know, though, why so many people (this was how I put it in my quote) are nostalgic for the 60s – that’s not their own experience during that decade, but the general historical decade and period known as “The Sixties.” That’s why I mentioned all those general public events: “assassinations, war, riots, the breakdown of standards, domestic terrorism, aimlessness, and a lot of vapid stupidity.”

  61. And, Cicero, you don’t mess with the neck area (esp. by windpipe)
    unless you’re desperate to protect life or limb.
    See Marsh & Desmedt, on the Use of Force Model, 1982.

  62. neo: Well, maybe a lot of people really did have positive experiences of the sixties, although you didn’t, which they look back upon fondly and are consequently nostalgic. This isn’t complicated.

    Apparently, you believe they should factor in the events of the time as you do and therefore not be nostalgic, which strikes me as unsupportable because other people are not you and feelings aren’t the same as rational assessments in any event.

    The sixties were a mixed bag, granted. I’m conservative these days and I agree mistakes were made. If you ever want to have at it, “The Sixties: Pro or Con,” I’m in.

  63. I see there was a bit of action on the south side of Albany (NY) earlier this evening. Nothing too, too terrible – apparently no worse than pepper spray, tear gas and a couple of windows smashed at the Department of Mental Health down there (of all places, I know).

    That means the trend is starting to manifest in the smaller cities. Even my hometown, although there it seems to have been a completely peaceful protest to this point – people are reasonable there, but I’m biased. But then I see even Des Moines having problems?! Where does this end?

  64. On the general historical decade and period known as “The Sixties”, I must ask, compared to which other decade?

    The “*Me* Decade” (the Seventies)?
    At least Tricky could do much, to calm the country down, esp. by phasing out the draft.

    The Silent Generation decade (the Fifties)?
    There was hugely more trust then, than at any time since JFK’s murder.

  65. Yeah the Seventies weren’t so great either. Tail end of Vietnam, Watergate, oil crisis, inflation, Carter.

    Maybe the best decade for movies though.

  66. RE: video interview in the Addendum. Man, Anyone who listens to her and doesn’t cry is heartless. Her world – and it sounds rather small since she seems to have to rely on public buses to get around – is being totally destroyed.

    Those doing this destruction, for whatever reason, don’t care about those they are hurting.

  67. huxley:

    I never said they should. I said I don’t know why they don’t, especially when talking about the decade as a whole, as an era.

    There may be a simple explanation. Maybe most were so young they didn’t pay attention to the larger events of the times, and just focused on the personal. Maybe they didn’t care (perhaps also because of youth? Or just personality?). But it seems there were so many negatives to the 60s that weren’t just personal, but that were country-wide (or in some cases world-wide) events, that I don’t know why so many people seem to not factor that in.

    “I don’t know why” means “I don’t know why,” it doesn’t mean “they should because I do.”

  68. huxley:

    On a different level – the level of the personal, and of personality, rather than historical events – I also didn’t like the 60s ethos in general, except for the colorful clothes and the music. What I remember was a complete change – and I mean a sudden 180 – in what people valued in other human beings. Suddenly, almost overnight, a person who was less extroverted, somewhat more cerebral and reserved (me), who didn’t like to dance naked on the table in large groups, was made to feel (at least, at the school I attended) bad, whereas before that it had been a perfectly okay way to be. In other words, suddenly the Dionysian was all that was valued (the more extreme the better) and the more Apollonian had no value.

    And I fully understand why other people might feel very different about how that affected them, probably for very personal reasons. But that wasn’t the level of evaluation of the era that I was referring to earlier.

  69. More recent evaluations are undercutting the “news” that the majority of rioters arrested in Minneapolis were from out of state, but that doesn’t really change the central point of this post by Kira Davis.

    https://www.redstate.com/kiradavis/2020/05/30/846427/
    Antifa Is Just Occupy Wall Street Rebranded. Here’s How I Know
    Posted at 2:30 pm on May 30, 2020 by Kira Davis

    Nine years ago, I stared down the barrel of a rifle pointed at me by a Denver riot squad as the man holding it screamed at me and my companions to “Go home! Now!”

    Let me back up.

    The “battle lines” were drawn and the narrative was set. Occupy Wall Street – good and heroic. Tea Party – racist and violent.

    In 2011, I attended my first conservative “new media” training conference in Denver – BlogCon.

    Because of the media-stoked tension between the OWS and Tea Party movements, there was a lot of interest in our little gathering and soon, protesters showed up and invaded the hotel where the conference was being held. It fueled the bloggers gathered there. This was premium content! We poured into the lobby to meet the protesters. It was glorious chaos.

    The cops pulled them out and we followed them into the street. Somehow I ended up standing next to a police car and watching as police officers stuffed two rumpled but gleeful OWS protesters into the back seat. A young protester beside me began to cry. A clean-cut, professional-looking young man who looked like he was dressed for work at an office turned to her and said, “Don’t worry. We already have lawyers at the precinct and we’ve got bail funds. They’ll be out in time for tonight. Just go get ready.”

    That was my first introduction to the concept of professional protesters.

  70. Something to keep in mind when people ask: How did this happen?
    “Let’s start with the most likely possibility: you voted for Democrats.”

    https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2020/05/30/ellison-rioting-okay-directed-police/


    But at the same time as they are trying to calm the city down, they’ve got the Attorney General going out in public and saying that it’s basically okay to attack the cops as long as you leave the nice National Guardsmen alone. In this regard, Ellison is standing in for the role that Rawlings-Blake played in Baltimore in 2015. And as I was discussing with some friends on social media this week, after Baltimore burned down, it never really recovered. While other large cities were seeing significant decreases in their murder rates, Charm City was setting new records for the most killings. The police lost faith in City Hall and started doing less policing, It’s a nasty downward spiral that becomes difficult to pump the brakes on once it begins.

    Of course, I’m not sure what any of us should have expected. As the linked article reminds us, when Ellison was in Congress (in the seat now held by Ilhan Omar) he openly supported Antifa. When Minnesota chose to elect an Attorney General who has very little interest in enforcing the law, this was pretty much what they signed up for. Perhaps they’ll want to keep all of this in mind next time they go to the polls. I would also remind the Mayor and the Governor that after Baltimore went up in flames in 2015, Stephanie Rawlings-Blake’s approval ratings plunged so far that she didn’t even bother running for another term. Something needs to be done to bring this situation under control quickly and at least for now, Keith Ellison is part of the problem, not the solution.

  71. More about organized protestors on the Left, but the “truth” has already been chosen by the Democrat-Media-Complex.
    And they don’t need no steenkin’ facts to complicate the narrative.

    https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2020/05/30/846607/
    Joy Reid: AG ‘pins’ riots on left-leaning groups when it’s ‘already documented as coming from white nationalist groups’
    Posted at 9:01 pm on May 30, 2020 by Elizabeth Vaughn


    It is possible that white nationalist groups have shown up. State officials have said so. But no one has offered definitive proof.

    The Washington Post reports that state officials have offered little evidence and have contradicted each other:

    A report from Fox9 said the majority of those arrested in the past few days are from Minnesota. Yet, today both Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey and St. Paul Mayor Melvin Carter said “the vast majority of the rioters causing destruction are from out of state. Mayor Carter said all of the people arrested in St. Paul overnight were from out of state.”

    Mayor Frey, whom Powerline’s Scott Johnson refers to as the ‘boy mayor,’ said, “We are now confronting white supremacists, members of organized crime, out-of-state instigators, and possibly even foreign actors to destroy and destabilize our city and our region.”

    Frey noted, “This is no longer about protesting, this is about violence. I want to be clear, the people who are doing this are not Minneapolis residents.”

    The best answer to who is showing up at these riots might be all of the above. And contrary to Reid’s tweet, there is no documentation. It’s not as if they sign-in when they arrive. My guess is that, although white supremacists may be participating, the majority of the demonstrators are from left-leaning groups.

    Here is one of the replies to Reid’s tweet. It is a page from an agitator group’s manual. When I googled 328BG, “328BG Antifa” immediately populated.

    [AF: Read the document in the tweet – it’s very organized.]

    In the video below, reporter Lara Logan speaks to Fox News’ Laura Ingraham about the professional agitators (Antifa) who are showing up at the riots and how to spot them in the crowd:

    Lara’s list is very informative.
    On the other hand….
    This pair of sisters looks more like the unorganized sixties rioters whose night on the town didn’t quite turn out the way they expected.
    https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2020/05/30/woman-arrested-for-attempted-murder-of-four-cops-during-new-york-riots/

    A woman from upstate New York, Samantha Shader, 27, was arrested on Friday night for throwing a lit Molotov cocktail at a police van during riots in Brooklyn over the death of George Floyd.

    Four officers were inside the van when she set it ablaze with the cocktail, but they managed to escape before it was consumed by flame.

    “Samantha Shader of Catskill, is accused of throwing a molotov cocktail at an NYPD vehicle with four cops inside and could be charged with attempted murder. Her sister was also arrested. They weren’t there for George Floyd, and they DON’T live in Crown Heights.”

    Samantha Shader has a GoFundMe which isn’t doing so well, it has garnered about $80 and she’s had a couple of leftists on social media plead her case.

  72. Will King Jay and Emperor Hair Gel reconsider the concept of face coverings now? Hard to identify domestic terrorists in peaceful protests when everyone’s face is covered, not just the “righteous” Antifa cadres. RICCO actions needed.

  73. Various twitter feeds from various cities are showing a remarkably sophisticated planning effort:
    Piles of bricks on pallets being staged onto sidewalks near office buildings with lots of glass.
    Medical tent stations being set up to provide First Aid
    Bail funding and lawyers standing by ready to take action on behalf of those arrested.
    Pictures of protesters lined up and being briefed before dispatch.

    In other words, the same Antifa playbook from their past riots. It’s remarkable how impenetrable the behind-the-scenes aspect of these riots is to our stalwart press. A few stories and pictures that illustrate the logistical competency and scale of the planning efforts would leave the law-abiding public truly furious. A few months ago we were treated to the hidden camera exploits of James O’Keefe with Bernie supporters bragging on how Minneapolis and other cities were going to burn this summer. Well, summer is here. Too bad our Fourth Estate is too cowardly to pursue a good story that would do them, and society, credit. I guess there’s more to a coordinated effort than meets the eye.

  74. Where is the cell phone tracking? If we can trace the spread if Covid 19 surely we can track the spread of these rioters if indeed they are organized.

  75. Due to a temporary medical deferment, my college lasted from 62-68. Toward the end, in several fits of absentmindedness, I ended up with more responsibilities than I had anticipated. This kept me from some of the excesses of college life. And we were a huge campus in a small town some miles from a large–but not urban town–and so whatever dissolute behaviors available in the bigger cities were not immediately available.
    OTOH, I was connected, one degree of separation, from SDS and similar efforts.
    What a bunch of maroons. I just could not believe they were stupid enough to believe what they professed. I have since concluded they actually did and in their stupidity were manipulable by those who knew better. But how did they come to think up was down, night was day….. But they were agile to dodge arguments on those subjects.
    As for the fun…I had grades to worry about, and my responsibilities, and wondering how I got to be that age without learning some important stuff.
    I have no special nostalgia for the era, but for certain situations which were not necessarily Sixtiesish.
    However, in looking back, I can see the hard left….manipulating the gullible for the most part by assigning moral virtue to believing. No facts, just being the right sort of person. People can’t afford to lose their self-image by mere arguments and logic and facts. Discussing is like shooting BBs at a basketball.

  76. I also believe that, as in the past, one of the aims of the hard left in this is to provoke a violent backlash from law enforcement that will garner sympathy for the “protestors” from run-of-the-mill liberals.

    They are trying to provoke Trump into another Kent State event. I think he is more savvy than Nixon was, plus there is more history about these anarchist groups now. As to the organizing of these riots, if only we had some sort of federal investigation bureau. It could seek the linkages feeding this insurrection,. We could even call it “The Federal Bureau of Investigation, ” but no that would take away from the attempt to overthrow the president.

  77. I like your comment about the 60s. My recollection of the 60s is that they had great music but a crappy plot.

  78. Now that Antifa has been declared a terrorist organization the DOJ can finally start investigating and stripping its financing, which is 50% George Soros and his son. Take every penny. Eviscerate them and throw their carcasses into the deepest solitary holes we have until they are moldered to dust, then fill the holes in.

    Who else? Kerry and Heinz for sure. Steyer, Feinstein, a half dozen Google billionaires? Dozens of other top Democrat moneybags?

    They are no better than al Qaeda funders, and they probably fund al Qaeda too. After all Hamas is “the Palestinian wing of al Qaeda” and they all support Hamas. May Antifa be the rope that hangs them all.

  79. More Clash! Police and Thieves:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3A8uNG3GH4

    On the 60s – so many of the very numerous boomers were young and healthy.
    Riots – terrible … but mostly on TV and not affecting the whites.
    Assassinations – terrible … but like generals dying in battle, politicians “fighting” and dying for their causes; and far fewer than most types of death or even killings
    Vietnam War – terrible … but far fewer young men than WW II. 56,000 dead over 10 years, but almost that many die Each Year from auto accidents. And drunk driving alarmism and protesting was reducing that yearly toll with better laws and enforcement.

    After WW II, white & black Americans were so lucky to have been so unbombed and able to dominate the world in trade & manufacturing & suburban single family homes. And in creating the Boomers, thru a sex crazed baby making in marriages of people who didn’t know what modern love was, what modern commitments required, nor willing to control themselves under the old moral norms. The 60s were the boomers’ teen years (I turned 13 in ’69, just made it!).

    So much change.
    So much hope.
    So much hype, especially in rose colored glasses thinking about “the way we were”.

    60s in America: It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.
    (oops, already taken for the French Revolution).
    Most boomers today feel today that they personally felt better, about themselves and the direction of the world, in the 60s.
    Without knowing that the changes they helped make supported the changes that were to lead to worse results … known in economics as unintended consequences.

    The 60s ended Jan 27, 1973 with the signing of the Paris Peace Accords.

    Their violation by N. Viet commie killers supported by Soviet commies, and the Killing Fields of Pol Pot, supported by Chinese commies, were both from the 70s. As was the Democratic Party acceptance of commie invasions and genocide.

    A Clash finale – Straight to Hell.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7SvtikTkrM

  80. From the “You can’t make this up” files –
    There’s a commie under every bed (Susan Rice edition):
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/susan-rice-suggests-russians-behind-violent-george-floyd-demonstrations

    It’s precisely at times like this that one sorely wishes she’d just stick to writing emails to herself. She wants so badly to keep that conspiracy pig afloat that she’s truly lost the plot.

    (Or maybe its just a case of “pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship” to defend ANTIFA?… Unless she’s gunning for the agitprop emmies…)

  81. For the society as a whole, the 60s (long hair, jeans, drugs, etc.) began during the summer of 1969. The summer of Woodstock. A lawyer I once worked for was in college at Princeton then. He left for home that spring dressing preppy — khakis, buttondowns, loafers. He didn’t cut his hair all summer and remembered thinking as he headed back for fall: “wow, my friends aren’t going to believe how I’ve changed.” Every one of his preppy buddies came back to school having made the same changes. So had America. For an interesting note — if you ever watch the documentary of Harvard’s legendary win over Yale in football 29-29 (yes, the Crimson won a tie), it is fascinating to listen to the guys talk about how conservative (socially) each campus was in the fall of 1968.

    That long hair hippy social time lasted until 1975. E.g. that spring our college baseball team had one player with a pony tail to the middle of his back. Our All-American had a big Fu Manchu and hair nearly to his shoulders. By 1976, there were still a handful of holdouts, but the predominant college look was back to preppy again. Society as a whole was generally into disco and the Travolta look in “staying alive.”

    Marijuana was not widespread in our high school in the early 70s (other than the hippies). By the late 70s, it no longer defined hippies. It was everybody in HS and working it’s way into the junior highs.

    A part of the “sixties” which was actually 1970-1972 that rarely gets mentioned are the thousands of terror bombings by the hard core New Left like Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn and the Weather Underground. Yes, THOUSANDS of terror bombings! No reason for anyone to be nostalgic for the Days of Rage.

  82. AOC has read my post. This is her recommendation to protestors: “Don’t bring cell phones without first turning off Face/Touch ID, going on airplane mode and disabling data.”
    I don’t know if this will make a difference though.

  83. They are trying to provoke Trump into another Kent State event. I think he is more savvy than Nixon was,

    Gov. Rhodes sent the Ohio National Guard to Kent State.

  84. I wounder what’s President Trump with his provocateur ties with Charlie Kirk what his advise to the president in this boiling time?

    Charlie has become such an influential figure in conservative politics because he has his finger on the pulse of the right,” said Andy Surabian, an adviser to Donald Trump Jr.

  85. I never said they should [not be nostalgic for the 60s]. I said I don’t know why they don’t, especially when talking about the decade as a whole, as an era.

    neo: I give you an answer from my point of view and that of many of my friends. It wasn’t a complicated answer. Yet you persist with “I don’t know why.”

    Some people are nostalgic for the 60s because they had intense, mostly positive, emotional experiences, as I did.

    Nostalgia is an emotion. It may be overriden by intellectual assessments later, but maybe not.

    That you don’t seem to understand this baffles me.

  86. What I remember was a complete change – and I mean a sudden 180 – in what people valued in other human beings. Suddenly, almost overnight, a person who was less extroverted, somewhat more cerebral and reserved (me), who didn’t like to dance naked on the table in large groups, was made to feel (at least, at the school I attended) bad, whereas before that it had been a perfectly okay way to be. In other words, suddenly the Dionysian was all that was valued (the more extreme the better) and the more Apollonian had no value.

    neo: So what? People go through changes. They have experiences. Sometimes they switch things around. Sometimes they change their minds.

    You did so at least once.

    Some of your friends probably clicked their tongues and wondered what happened to neo?

    She was liberal and now she’s conservative. It’s like the Liberal suddenly had no value.

  87. FB:

    Rumdfield’s quote is from the aftermath of the second Iraq war, context matters. Some people want to steal, some want to burn it all down, some want to destroy the US by any means necessary (Antifa, BLM, etc.). Explain how our current rioters are just experiencing freedom for the first time, other than the permission from mayors and governors to destroy.

  88. huxley:

    Consider that you may be an outlier in your positive regard for and experience of the ’60’s.

  89. So could someone just remind me (or at least update me), for whom is the FBI working for, again?

  90. huxley:

    I believe you missed my point.

    I’m not talking about some problem with my friends changing their minds. I’m not even talking about my friends – there was no problem with my close friends. I’m talking about a 180 degree change in what was valued in human beings, by my generational peers in general.

  91. huxley:

    I actually wrote (at 10:50 PM 5/30): “I’m saying that I know why a person would be nostalgic for the things he/she personally experienced during the 60s, if his/her experience was good.”

    And then after I wrote that, you wrote (at 6:37 PM 5/31): “Yet you persist with ‘I don’t know why.'”

  92. And another shocka!

    Maxine Waters at her analytic best:
    https://libertyunyielding.com/2020/05/31/maxine-waterss-one-word-answer-for-why-cops-kill-black-people-like-george-floyd-trump/

    To complement Bill de Blasio’s no doubt well-considered perspective:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8372479/NYPD-officer-shoved-female-protester-ground-investigation.html

    (What they call “Coast-to-coast coverage”…)

    Speaking of Waters, it’s always a moving experience to see her eyes light up as she describes in glowing terms the ways of the Master (of ubiquitous surveillance) to the multitudes ever hungry for a glimpse of his genius:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7jIe1a7NYM

    A real gift! A classic!

  93. One of the biggest riots in the sixties was at the Democrat convention in Chicago. Viet Nam was at its peak and there were a ton of college kids there to protest and calling for an end to the war. There were a number of groups leading the marches and demonstrations including the Yippies, the SDS, and the Weathermen, all with different agendas and not all committed to peaceful protest. One night after the protesters provoked the police no end the police lost their discipline and it turned into a massive police riot broadcast live into every living room in the US. It probably gave the election to Nixon.

    I’m wondering if the organized riots going on now across the country are a test run for the political conventions this summer. No matter who’s at fault and whatever the issue, the MSM will try spin it as Orange Man Bad.

  94. I could go on at great length, and in fact have done, about the ’60s. I guess I’m somewhere in between huxley and Neo. I was in the thick of it, totally committed to the whole counterculture thing, for about 4 years, ’67 through ’70. So I certainly get the appeal *at the time.” But by sometime in ’71 I was having serious second thoughts, and over the next 8 or 10 years came to vehemently reject most of it. By 1980 I was somewhat reluctantly accepting “conservative” as a reasonably accurate description of my views.

    More important than how any of us personally feel about our own experiences, though, is the fact that it (“the ’60s”, meaning not the decade but, you know, *all that*) was the flowering of a new religion on which a new culture was to be built. And is being built.

  95. Four men of color beat the crap out of a elderly woman store owner
    [word has it they are white supremacists in disguise]
    https://twitter.com/OCAntifa/status/1267240835734663168?s=19
    Cops seek to ID thugs who attacked elderly white woman and her husband who were trying to protect their business in Rochester, New York

    and other interesting things… like piles of bricks with no construction put in place

  96. om on May 31, 2020 at 7:31 pm said:

    forgive me Sir, as far as we know those guys who are the smart guys and they had have the will fixing the problems not just around the world but also inside US? isn’t?

    Let’s read

    In the Commission on Terrorism we interviewed all kinds of people, including George Tenet, who at that time was already head of the CIA. In establishing and setting up the Commission on Terrorism I had conversations with Don Rumsfeld, whom I had known from the [Gerald] Ford administration when I was [Henry] Kissinger’s chief of staff, because Rumsfeld had just chaired the commission on Missile Defense. I needed some guidance. He gave me some ideas about how to staff the operation and how to get the job done. One of my emphases as chairman of the national commission was I wanted us to have fully agreed findings if possible. I didn’t want to have everybody footnoting this part and that part. I talked to Don a bit about how to try and get a unanimous report, which we did with one minor footnote.

  97. What’s the correct combination of tactics to destroy these terrorists?

    And, what are the method’s they’re using, to multiply their effectiveness?

    I see folks hypothesizing that Antifa, and various parallel groups, have a planning arm and a funding arm.

    But it appears that there’s a substantial arm of “Gee, it’s fun to be on the streets at night smashing and stealing other people’s stuff with impunity.” My guess is that it’s pretty rare for members of that group to be paid; and I don’t know whether they are, in any specific sense, receiving orders.

    If Federal law enforcement could locate — I’m spitballing here — persons who were paid to send encrypted messages of some kind to organize the attacks, then of course those folks ought to be captured and sent to Guantanamo, or wherever.

    But in the meantime, what’s to be done about the dumb fatherless punks who’re breaking open storefronts and setting fires? The young woman who joins the rioters in destroying a Cheesecake Factory location, being careful to walk out with a cheesecake for herself?

    You’re not going to send them all to Guantanamo. That’s too expensive. It’s too expensive even just getting them all loaded into airplanes for the trip, which is why we should also exclude the option of taking them halfway to Guantanamo, and then abruptly reducing one’s cargo load.

    You could do what Napoleon did: Setting up cannons in alleyways and then use scary, loud attacks from one direction to drive the crowds in the other direction, where the cannons are waiting. (But that’s one of the reasons we consider Napoleon an evil war criminal, the prototype for Hitler. So let’s not imitate him, no matter how many nice boulevards he had built in Paris.)

    So…what?

    Which city’s doing it best, now? What could they all be doing, that’d be better?

    Anyone?

  98. One thing that not maintained by most, early days of the killing of George Floyd most if not all reports and news media reporting referring to him as “Black Man”?

    I wounder if this the wright way of reporting or talking about people tagging them of skin color?

    What if white man killed by other one, did the report and media reported as “White Man Killed?

    This should be a point to stop at it, what sort of talk we like to say, report about a crime or any matter related to a person who have “a name” not a Skin?

  99. FB:

    You on drugs? Do you know what context means?

    FB discovers the media are snakes. Shocking but true. Whatever.

  100. om —

    Pace Andrew McCarthy, but I think Trump should invoke the Insurrection Act and deploy the National Guard on his own hook only as a very last resort.

    The more the blue-state governors stay passive and screw this up, the better he looks. Or if they overreact and declare martial law, he can say “who’s the dictator? Wasn’t me.”

  101. Bryan Lovely:

    That’s a reasonable approach. I am expecting a much more emotional response from other readers.

    OT slightly, I wonder if Seattle, Portland, LA, NYC will declare themselves Antifa sanctuary cities? Or locally, will King Jay declare WA an Antifa sanctuary state, because Trump is *itler after all.

  102. They hardly need to. Portland has been all-in on Antifa for years.

    It’s darkly amusing to see all the idiots claiming that Antifa isn’t an “organization” when it has national and state Twitter accounts, chapter meetings, and “unofficial” handbooks.

    As far as I’m concerned, anyone who claims Antifa isn’t immediately forfeits all rights to saying that right-wing “militias” are a (domestic terrorist) organization.

    My dream is that there’s enough rioting (but hopefully no more fatalities) that the suburban soccer mom demographic switches from “pity the oppressed minority” to “we need law and order” and votes accordingly in November.

  103. om on June 1, 2020 at 12:54 am said:

    You on drugs? Do you know what context means?

    There is no justifications whatsoever for any acts of riots any where any time, in Baghdad your National Grads/Military personal open museum doors for the looters ….

    Go do your homework to find those stores from 2003…..

    look, keep your mouth and words for yourself, don’t try to teach other your “context”?
    dude.

    enjoy.

  104. Paul in Boston,

    One of the biggest riots in the sixties
    here in NTimes….

    ‘Looting’ Comment From Trump Dates Back to Racial Unrest of the 1960s

    But let look to this:

    The 1992 Los Angeles riots were a series of riots and civil disturbances that occurred in Los Angeles County in April and May 1992. Unrest began in South Central Los Angeles on April 29, after a trial jury acquitted four officers of the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) for usage of excessive force in the arrest and beating of Rodney King, which had been videotaped and widely viewed in TV broadcasts.

  105. om on May 31, 2020 at 9:39 am said:
    Will King Jay and Emperor Hair Gel reconsider the concept of face coverings now? Hard to identify domestic terrorists in peaceful protests when everyone’s face is covered, not just the “righteous” Antifa cadres. RICCO actions needed.
    * * *
    On the other hand, you can easily be identified, even if you do keep your face covered, when you take off your shirt.

    https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/05/31/white-guy-arrested-for-setting-fire-to-nashvilles-historic-courthouse-obviously-didnt-read-aocs-helpful-tips/

  106. J.J. on May 31, 2020 at 1:49 pm said:
    Andy Ngo does provides a description of the perps behind what’s happening. Recommended reading:
    https://spectator.us/andy-ngo-antifa-american-insurgency/
    * * *
    Ngo says (and he’s been at this rodeo before):

    The destruction of businesses we’re witnessing across the US is not mere opportunism by looters. It plays a critical role in antifa and BLM ideology. Their stated goal is to abolish capitalism. To do that, they have to make economic recovery impossible. Antifa sees a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to exploit an economically weakened America during the coronavirus pandemic.

    That the Antifa operatives had this plan on the shelf and waiting for a trigger is pretty clear. (Dyer)
    https://libertyunyielding.com/2020/05/30/organized-assault-on-civil-order-spreads-across-u-s-cities-purporting-to-be-about-justice-for-george-floyd/


    Going by both perusal of the videos and the comments from social media reporters on-scene, it sounds like there are core groups of experienced tacticians and organizers at the major riot locations, but most of the rioters are less trained. They’re taking advantage of the factors they have on their side right now: surprise and numbers.

    This surge may dissipate quickly. I hope so. Its highly organized character indicates that planners have had it on the shelf ready to go when an opportunity presented itself. One of the problems with the authorities recognizing the intention to do it, by the usual-suspect groups, is that the visible signs of organizing for this mass strike would have differed little from the less-violent nationwide protests the same groups have sponsored before. Federal and state law enforcement could very well have foreseen in the last several days that a surge of events was coming, but not been able to identify in advance the nature of what was being planned.

    Antifa is undoubtedly involved, although it isn’t clear how much the riots are relying specifically on Antifa to anchor and direct them.

    The surge may not dissipate quickly. My own assessment is that it’s not unrelated to the other major things going on in our civic life, such as the progress of the Durham investigation and the prospect of unpleasant revelations ahead for the Obama administration, the Democrats in general, and the media. Someone out there is fighting very hard, and seems willing to take everything he can down with him.

    I have no conspiracy theories in mind (and really don’t want to hear any) about the timing of George Floyd’s death. I assume the spin-up of the riots seized on Floyd’s death as an opportunity, and the planners were able to take advantage of it on short notice because they’re prepared to do that at any time.

    Whatever justice is, it’s not this.

  107. I guess the $64,000 dollar question is, in November, how many Americans are going to be feeling truly and thoroughly mugged by the Democratic Party and its loyal acolytes?

    (Assuming we make it to November.)

  108. All these riots are the revenge of the stupid. They inevitably will interpret their unfitness for modern society as a proof of systemic racism. The simple truth is that they are too stupid to survive and eventually get their Darwin award, but of course they will never accept this. Ever think about the reason for the Flynn effect, that is, the rising of the median IQ among American blacks in several generations? Now it is about 86, while in the source populations of Black Africa it is about 58. Simply put, the modern civilized society raises the bar for the minimal mental capacity needed for survival, and the natural selection does the rest.

  109. The local Democrat authorities are not clueless, do not lack will, nor are they out of their depth or over their heads. They are playing their part, doing (and not doing) exactly what Democrats want.

  110. Looks like LA, DC, Minneapolis etc. need help. I’ll move there, then vote Democrat!

  111. I still recall a comment from another site, from at least a year ago, noting that for leftists, violence is a rheostat, to be dialed up or down as needed, while for conservatives it’s an on/off switch.

    The idiot left keeps pushing on that switch and eventually they’re going to move it to the on position. Alas.

    Erisguy, I take your point. The demonrats have become exquisitely adept at playing their part, as you say- but they are terrible at everything else. They can’t govern, they can’t maintain order, they can’t even prevent their friends from burning their own cities to the ground even when preventing that would help their political cause. Of course, they think the worse things get, the more they’ll win, which is a leftist idea that goes back at least to Lenin and WWI Russia.

    Their problem, I think, is that their opponents by and large don’t live in those cities, and don’t- can’t- really care what happens to them. Now I don’t think any conservatives want those cities to burn, but we all know that conservatives have roughly zero control over them, and thus zero responsibility for them. Not my problem, Bernie Bros.

    This is The Fourth Turning in action. I implore everyone to read that book. The present regime, founded by the politically competent Franklin D. Roosevelt, has reached its end-of-life, as all sociopolitical regimes must. It has of course attempted every trick in the book to retain power- but the people in charge now are hapless incompetents, at every level.

    As evidence for my theory, I note the aforementioned burning cities. This is not success, and I bet support for demonrats in those localities is significantly less now than before the rioting began- but we’ll see in a few months.

    That is, via the election results. If we have one, I mean.

    Rheostat versus on/off switch, otherwise.

  112. Is Barr just another Republocrat institutionalist weasel like John Boenher? All hat, no cattle? Talks good game, doesn’t deliver?

    I like that Joey Di Genova loves him, but given the rampant in your face lawlessness of the Demorats like with Reps Omar, Tlaid, AOC, the fact that after 15 months, Barr doesn’t do squat strongly argues that case.

    Or are the federal inJustice institutions so thoroughly corrupt, that a good man won’t see this, and that makes Barr such a wuss bag?

    Does Barr need to face a real legal insurrection b the people who demand his replacement from his friends side?

    See legalinsurrection blog comments for more.

  113. I saw a few moments of Don Lemon witnessing the burning and pillage and bemoaning the fact that “we” were not acting as if we wanted to live together any more; and were behaving as if we had lost some recently alive commitment to a shared identity.

    “Well, duh!” As they say. LOL

    He was talking about the rioters, I imagine, but the observation applies to a good many on both sides. Certainly I have no such persisting generalized interest or concerns, and have not had for years.

    I laughed so hard at him that the possibility nearly escaped me of the moron being oblivious to the fact that the indulgence of, and the forced sharing an identity and fate with morally deranged emotionalists – to an intrusive degree well beyond the limits of a formal political arrangement – was precisely the baggage that made the idea of “we” so obnoxiously obsolete in the first place.

    Obamacare, for an example? Me, shackled to your self-induced diabetes, or her borderline personality disorder? Well, fuck that shit. Fuck that society. And fuck those spindle armed solidarity pimps who believe in that kind of slavery in the name of “fairness”.

    There is a peculiar neediness in the psychology of progressives –
    On display in the urban streets right now – which probably helps to explain both their problems with respecting other people’s boundaries, and their resentment shaped stance toward those third parties who are not interested in building lives dedicared to catering to the desires and fantasies of the mentally deranged progressive.

    The progressive hates those whom he cannot in fact live without; and aims to use them to wrest satisfaction from a God he does not believe exists.

    “We”? There’s no there, there. Hasn’t been for a long time.

  114. FB a trial jury acquitted four officers of the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) for usage of excessive force in the arrest and beating of Rodney King….

    Why Didn’t the Rodney King Video Lead to a Conviction?

    The grainy pictures speak for themselves. Or so thought many Americans who watched the video of the March 3rd, 1991, beating of motorist Rodney King by Los Angeles police officers.

    https://daily.jstor.org/why-rodney-king-video-conviction/

    Jacobs argues that the coverage in the largely African-American Los Angeles Sentinel was very different from that presented in the Los Angeles Times.

    For the Sentinel, King’s beating was part of a wider history that included frequent protests by black Angelenos against the LAPD in general and Daryl Gates, the department’s lead official, in particular. In this narrative, only the unified black community could effectively address the social injustice, of which the King beating was only one example, albeit an unusually-well-documented one.

    For the Los Angeles Times, on the other hand, the beating was seen as an aberration. In this view, the police department was a generally responsible group that went momentarily astray.

    Neither narrative prepared the wider public for what was to happen.

    Again… the press is busy reporting opinion and ideas as news not facts and basis… in so doing, they create a split between groups in the population, the so called rift that they all claim to want to heal, but being leftists they dont…

    The leftist fantasy is a riot that leads to a political change that brings utopia…

    “The dream that will not die”

    Heaven on earth, good will toward man, no god need apply

    [I give up putting things up to read no one reads… your on your own in terms of ideology, history, and how this is just a repeat of prior events]

  115. Artfldgr:

    Regarding FB

    If Iraq is much the same as Minneapolis, LA, Seattle, and Atlanta and the actions of the US military are much the same as the National Guard in Minnesota, well a quote form Donald Rumsfield (2003) is quite appropriate. As much as to the statements of the Boy Mayor of Minneapolis or the Governor of Minnesota to the wars in Iraq. Because context means nothing.

    What is this “your National Guard” BTW? Where is FB’s army? An army of one.

    Whatever

  116. AesopFan:
    om on May 31, 2020 at 9:39 am said: Hard to identify domestic terrorists in peaceful protests when everyone’s face is covered…

    You can easily be identified, even if you do keep your face covered…

    This is where my programming AI comes in and DefCon stuff…

    While you can be identified, in MANY ways, few of them are available to court
    AI properly trained (as with the new face recognition not the old) can do very well, the current best of the best scraped 100s of millions of faces off the internet to learn how to recognize them… YOLO is easily trained to isolate them from video.. drivers licenses, passports (under the new internal passports, remember?) give imagery..

    one of the most telling ways to ID someone even with a mask is from their ears..
    Ear shape is like a fingerprint…

    another way to tell a person, even from a distance (and we humans do it all the time), is how they walk and move and have mannerisms… your gait, proportions and more reveal who you are. The navy requested such software for DARPA ages ago..

    if you have a cell phone, and many do, data analysis can get you quite easily without the need for the kind of software that people mentioned. most do not know about things like Creepy Doll… but you can be sure that this is something that is not just employed by hackers… or didn’t you notice the black vans along with the police and the national guard?

    I can tell you guys tons of stuff, but i dont.. no one is interested..
    and i cant tell if there is nothing generated to participate in!!!!!!!!!!!
    I get yelled at enough trying to warn and inform… dont I?
    [i even get baked for my spelling and grammar]

    Creepy Doll is hard to find information on, GOOGLE does its best to hide and restrict certain information if looked at casually… (helping the revolution I guess, but like the wealthy who were happy to donate to the destruction of poor neighborhoods they are quite the protestors when it gets near their homes as indicated recently) – however if you spell it right, your not casual and more comes up CreepyDol…

    [note, that neo will start a new thread very soon now that i am putting up more useful information… its a pattern that has been quite easy to note and easy to deny as well… but i can do analysis, and spyder crawling and more too… been working this side of the street for over 35 years… duh]

    The creepy doll thing started with barby and cayla… but there is a lot more to it, as there are devices that hackers make and sell that you can place around an area that then captures and radios back information that is openly available. People were able to turn the toys into spy tools… like old baby monitors.

    CreepyDol: Brendan O’Connor is an unabashed hacker who has worked for DARPA and taught at the US military’s cybersecurity school. CreepyDOL (Creepy Distributed Object Locator), his new personal tracking system, allows a user to track, locate, and break into an individual’s smartphone. “For a few hundred dollars,” he says, “I can track your every movement, activity, and interaction, until I find whatever it takes to blackmail you.”

    =========================================================

    CreepyDOL is a network of sensors that communicates with a data-processing server. The sensor network runs on boxes about the size of a small external hard drive, with each node containing a Raspberry Pi Model A, two Wi-Fi adapters, and a USB hub. Previously developed by O’Connor, these are called F-BOMBs (Falling/Ballistically-launched Object that Makes Backdoors) and are sufficiently rugged to be thrown, or even dropped from a UAV. Each F-BOMB costs just over US$50, giving a network of 10 a price of around $500.

    He is actually a nice guy… and what can be done is not generally known by the public… using the same kind of tech, but with a real budget, you can bet that they know the protestors.. and they know their movements, and know whence they came…

    in fact… you can be sure that out of town operatives have phones… even if they turn the phones off, they are not off… and if they leave them where they are shacking up, thats ok too…

    Next post: How to do KDD and work the data…
    [too bad no one will hire me!!!!!!!!!!]

  117. Putting the extra special stuff aside, and just going with cell tower data, and analysis, i will tell you how to locate and find the key people your looking for.
    [I am available for hire]

    One company of several that would help in this is: Tectonix
    Location data processing at speeds the world has never seen
    https://www.tectonix.com/

    They have some very interesting stuff in terms of tracking movement using cell phone data. The home page above has a great video that lays out the technical mechanics of what they do… you can be sure that its not hard for them to report in detail the geospatial dynamics of the protestors…

    their software can map out from the days before things started, through the events, the movement of the cell phones.

    now this is not even hard, or requires special devices like CreepyDOL… this is just open cell tower data and signal ID as the phones and the towers constantly ping each other to maintain connections (and how many of them also access wifi too).

    from this alone, they can tell you how, when things got hot, cell phones moved from locations in the US to a new location. they can also use local data to filter out the locals for the most part… even if they dont have the actual names of people at the time of mapping, they are available through court order post mapping…

    https://twitter.com/TectonixGEO/status/1242628347034767361?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1242628347034767361&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.businessinsider.com%2Fcoronavirus-florida-spring-break-location-data-spread-social-distancing-2020-3

    once you see the above, you can easily know that they know where and what is going on in terms of people moving around… you can also easily know that this is much like the Venona archives, and McCarthy, they dont want to report it and use it openly in fear of panicking the public and having their reactions (and the groups doing things mobilizing), to end such work.

    I can tell you all a lot more…
    you would be surprised to know how much more forward in tech we actually are
    the public has very little idea… very little… they believe they know..
    and they will argue… they will not admit it, even here there will be those claiming to know
    but few actually do in the detailed way that some of us know and just keep quiet about
    think about how hard it is to talk about with people who refuse to admit to themselves they are behind when they thought they were ahead? freaking impossible…

    i can even tell you how to do this in your own home, and what they are looking at in detail, how to make stuff, and more… tons of hours reading archaic standards and papers on how things work at the bottom level… [which makes it hard to communicate with people who dont know it at that level]

    [the very same way the video shows, they can circle each protest area, and limit the records to those phones and electronic devices, and watch how they move… you can bet that they know more than the public believes they do!!!]

    note i tried to reveal this months and months ago here…
    how did that work out?

  118. Artfldgr:

    Should have said “”harder” to identify someone when everyone is masked, thinking of court of law, but didn’t remember Mr, Bike Lock of Berkeley (Antifa) who was identified even though he had covered most of his face. I have heard about gait analysis too.

    Inspector Cleuso would have a really hard time today disguising himself. 😉

  119. Michael P. Tremoglie

    “(Officer) Lane asked, “should we roll him on his side?” and the defendant (Officer Chauvin) said, “No, staying put where we got him.” … Officer Lane said, “I am worried about excited delirium or whatever.” Officer Derek Chauvin replied, “That’s why we have him on his stomach.”

    These quotes – exculpatory evidence – are taken directly from the criminal complaint filed against Officer Derek Chauvin, which was either all or in part, taken from the unedited body-cam videos of the officers during the arrest of George Floyd.

    As stated, Officer Lane was “worried” meaning he was thinking about unpleasant things that might happen because of excited delirium. Officer Chauvin replied “That’s why” meaning this was the reason he was trying to keep George Floyd in the position he was. But this has not been publicized, at least as of this writing.

  120. @om

    Maybe… but AI can see through your mask… your mask does not mask you unless its a hard surface… how the cloth moves and drapes has been trained… which is now they are complaining about software that can take a photo of you in clothes and make an almost naked picture of you (sans details that cant be seen like whether your aureola are dark or light, or what kind of Brazilian wax you may not have)

    THIS is why the Chinese protestors are wearing hard gas masks AND have ear flaps… 😉

    gait analysis is also possible as i mentioned..
    and the cell phone record analysis is probably being done now
    i dont think people realize that the declaration of Antifa actually is not a non event
    it changes the resources allowed to be used and engaged that the public doesnt know about… ie. it changes their status from a political organization you are not allowed to spy on, to one you ARE allowed to spy on… and the data is stored in huge databases… (that software like Vertica can use to do AI on).

    i am conversant with all this tech.. and more…
    which is why i am depressed over not being hired or have work
    knowlege may be what you can get in college
    but wisdom is earned by experience…
    and experienced hackers are more clever

    i put in a paper for COVID in how cities can monitor desease and its spread anonymously by gait analysis

    There’s a new AI that can guess how you feel just by watching you walk
    Are you a happy, sad, or angry walker? Scientists are teaching algorithms to perceive emotions based on gait alone.
    https://www.fastcompany.com/90375885/a-new-ai-can-tell-how-you-feel-just-by-watching-you-walk-down-the-street

    we can tell whether your depressed… acting criminally… have a disease
    even more so if the software can identify you anonymously (ie. doesnt know you but can link up common records)….

    i have lots of ideas for things you can do, and would die to have the opportunity to use them and implement them… but without a sponsor and access to data, its just too big and expensive to work on it at home… i can only go up to half a peta byte… my system is too small otherwise… terabytes i can do…

    Even a mask won’t hide you from the latest face recognition tech
    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2146703-even-a-mask-wont-hide-you-from-the-latest-face-recognition-tech/

    note that i know this stuff, and look for articles for all of you to read… not the other way around… the articles do not inform me of much…

    The system accurately identified people a wearing scarf 77 per cent of the time – a cap and scarf 69 per cent of the time and a cap, scarf and glasses 55 per cent of the time. This isn’t as good as systems that recognise undisguised human faces, but it is the best at seeing through disguises, says Singh.

    The system only needs to be able to see a fraction of facial key points – most of which are around the eyes and mouth – to be able to guess where the other points are likely to be. Based on that guess, it can identify the person if it has already been shown a map of their key points.

    “In effect, it is able to see through your mask,” says Singh. You can also probably say goodbye to CV Dazzle, the vaunted face recognition camouflage makeup that has been mooted as the way to stay anonymous in a world of face recognition. “This will work very well for this type of camouflage because it works on key points of the face,” he says.

    and the above does not include using infrared and other image software possible that is not publicly available and easy… so there is a lot more that can be done… but not by researchers with no budget using common databases… or even by people like me with much the same..

    I would love to use AI to clean up old videos of crime scenes!
    and go after old cases… dreaming makes me depressed..
    nothing i do works… i wish i didnt dream any more..

    very depressed…
    🙁

  121. Title 18 / Section 2331 is now in play against Antifa
    Which is what i said… declaring them is not an empty action
    ALSO, their biggest mistake was traveling across state lines to act
    That makes what would be domestic into federal

    (5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that—
    (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
    (B) appear to be intended—
    (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
    (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
    (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
    (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States; and

  122. Just a quick comment on planning by Antifa. In my naive freshman year at college I attended an SDS meeting. I was shocked at what they were talking about: they were laying out plans for the next demonstration/”action” in detail. Who would go where, who would contact who, where the materiel needed was being gathered etc. They stated they would keep the planning going and then just wait for the opportune moment such as an escalation in bombing in Vietnam, etc. That was the SDS way back in 1970, so I would bet that Antifa now with the instant communication we now have are even better organized, and were just waiting for the”opportune moment” to launch.

  123. Neo: RE: dress rehearsal for the conventions. I forgot the threat from the Bernie Bro. Minnesota better hire a new governor and Minneapolis hire a new mayor if they want to survive the convention. Charlotte better start planning for the worst right now. With the unprecedented hatred that the Dems have for Trump, it’s going to be really violent if the BBs and Antifa join forces and aren’t stopped before they can ignite violence.

    Things are really out of hand. Even wimpy, deep blue, lily white Boston had violence downtown last night. Friends of ours who live in a fancy condo just off the Common saw the rioters smashing and looting businesses on the streets below.

  124. And a final comment. Thank you Obama for you and your administration stirring racial hatred for eight years when it had nearly disappeared before you came into office.

  125. artfldgr, I saw that Michael P. Tremoglie article. IF the officer gets a good lawyer and a better venue than Minneapolis, he might get off entirely, or on reduced charges. It may depend on toxicology results on the victim. (I’m taking no position on whether reduced charges are appropriate, just pointing out the possibility.)

  126. physicsguy:

    Agreed. The current crop is even more organized (helped by cellphones, etc.) and far less idealistic. Not that much of SDS ever was idealistic, but some were, at least those on the much lower rungs.

    I also went to one meeting in the late 60s and was deeply appalled. I saw that these people were absolutely up to no good.

  127. Paul in Boston, as of now it’s not clear whether our Democrat governor will allow the Republican convention to occur in Charlotte in August. He wants more “social distancing” than the RNC does. Plus, apparently he doesn’t want Charlotte to get the hotel and restaurant revenue.

  128. Artfldgr:

    You write (at 10:17):

    [note, that neo will start a new thread very soon now that i am putting up more useful information… its a pattern that has been quite easy to note and easy to deny as well… but i can do analysis, and spyder crawling and more too… been working this side of the street for over 35 years… duh]

    We’ve had it out about that before. I post when I post and ordinarily pay zero attention to what people write in the comments for the timing of my posts. Sometimes I have looked at the comments of the day prior to posting, and sometimes I haven’t. The only time the timing of my posts has anything to do with someone’s (anyone’s, not just yours) comments is when I actually quote a commenter in my post, using the person’s comment to riff off in the post.

    I post when I am finished the other things I do earlier in the day, which ordinarily are not connected with the blog. I tend to start posting mid-afternoon, day after day, although there are exceptions. But my schedule depends on my own personal schedule, much of it having nothing to do with a computer or the comments anyone puts here.

    Period. You need to stop the accusations and just post the facts.

  129. I’m kind of looking forward to every business owner suing FaceBook and Twitter for publishing coordinating info by the domestic Antifa terrorists.

    Tho maybe that’s only a dream.

    The violent Dems (not a punk group, a group of punks) deserve to receive far more lawsuits.

    A big part of the problem is the huge increase in polarization among the mostly-law abiding folk — too many Dem supporters support more law and order, but are told, and seem to believe (despite the contrary evidence), that it is somehow Trump’s fault. OrangeMan Bad.

    Simple is not always better, especially in judgements.

  130. Paul – what you said.
    Of course, since racist actions (systemic or otherwise) had declined so much, Obama was forced to stir them up again — except most “racist hate crimes” turned out to be hoaxes, didn’t they?

  131. neo & physicsguy – I attended one (1) radical meeting in 1975 at UT Austin, and decided I wanted no part of that group — but mostly because they were all hot air and not doing any practical planning for the sit-in-cause du jour (I don’t remember now what it was).
    By the end of the year, I decided I was no longer in any kind of harmony with leftist ideology, so just as well.

  132. Artfldgr — very interesting information, and I appreciate you posting it.
    And here I thought “Person of Interest” was fiction, not a documentary!

  133. Soo.. why are you humans burning down your cities again? Cause Soros said so?

    Haha, what fools.

  134. Ugly, in either case- and at the end, I suspect everyone will have wished the left simply respected election results and declined to- well, act as leftists always do.

    I envision a utopia happening in Earth’s primary timeline; the Steins;gate.

  135. My memories of commander salamander was from the punk era…
    i will leave it at that… recently Trash and Vaudeville closed after so long..

  136. James Lileks rebukes the useful idiot in Paris, Dr Claire Berlinski, who apparently adores the goon squad rioters.

    I grew up with James columns, first as a student in Minneapolis when he wrote for the Minnesota Daily at the University, and later for leading weeklies. He was and remains a pithy Twain-esque observer of the human circus, who cannot suffer fools without contrasts to their dogmas.

    This post does not disappoint.
    https://ricochet.com/763173/defining-america/

    But down in the thread, a commenter posts at #24 this Tweet? by James Lileks. It is a warning of fascist Antifa activity in his suburban area:

    “James Lileks (View Comment):

    “Someone in the Twitter thread said she was being darkly humorous, or words to that effect. Perhaps. Maybe even likely. I just have exactly one f to give for japery on this matter; that f was a micron wide the first night of the destruction and has been substantially diminished in width since then.

    “We’ve been warned by neighborhood watch groups about two young men dressed in black walking around looking at things with unusual interest, whatever that means, and that there might be looking for what’s useful for burning. There’s a guy sitting in a car two blocks up the street who’s been there for five hours. I’m sitting here in the back yard with a fire extinguisher and a hammer, and so you can keep your wry hot jokey takes to yourself.”

    All too real. Not at all humorous.

  137. Yes, it is organized.
    Seriously.
    Silver lining: that means there are trails for AG Barr’s anti-terrorist hounds to pick up.

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2020/06/01/piles-of-bricks-n2569804

    In cities across the U.S. where demonstrations over the death of George Floyd in police custody are taking place, mysterious pallets of bricks are reportedly showing up in parking lots and on street corners, even in areas where there is no constructions take place.

    Social media users are asking where they came from and who paid for them.

  138. Report from Beverly Hills: Although there was some tagging, only one store was hit. BHPD must have been caught off-guard, but they quickly drove off the looters. Nothing since then, but curfew now set at 1:00 PM (no joke) to 5:30 am. BHPD now ring the city as they did in 1992. Melrose Avenue, about a mile or two from BH, was hit heavily, 88 stores destroyed. Plenty of cops and plenty of opportunity to catch the looters, but wouldn’t move until they had double or triple the necessary manpower, which they almost never did. LA Police Chief said, “We’re very sorry.” Melrose is a street filled with small shops selling upmarket hipster gear, Same with shopping areas in Santa Monica. My guess is that the looters hit those locations because they knew they could easily fence or sell the loot “off the back of a truck.” They did not hit Koreatown this time. Who says leftists can’t learn?

  139. In the war against America, the Democrats have made their position crystal clear.
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/dems-trash-ny-times-over-front-page-headline-as-chaos-spreads-trump-vows-to-end-it-now

    It would appear obvious at this point that if Donald Trump says that the violence must stop, then the knee-jerk response of the Democratic leadership is that it must continue.

    The “logic” seems to be as follows:
    – There is no violence, there is only protest. Ergo, Trump is trying to shut down protest.
    – But IF there is violence, then it’s violence caused by Trump and his supporters.
    – Outside agitators MUST BE white supremacists. They cannot possibly be Antifa and accusing them of being Antifa is just another Trump lie designed to shut down the freedom to protest.

    And all along the way, there must be those who believe that America deserves it, especially an America that can elect a person like Trump as president and continue to support him.

    You can’t make this up. It is happening.

    It appears that CW2 has—finally—turned hot. After three long years of a violent rhetorical war of intimidation waged by the Democratic Party against Trump and his supporters, reinforced with lies, demonization and multiple partisan attempts at impeachment, the long-feared violence (and the Democratic Party’s encouragement of it) has arrived.

    And the Democratic Party MUST CONTINUE to justify—and encourage—the violence, even as it MUST CONTINUE to deny that there is any real violence, because criticizing the violence, countering it, fighting it MEANS, according to their demented “logic”, legitimizing THE ONE WHO MUST NOT BE LEGITIMIZED, according to the perverse word view that they have been enthusiastically cultivating for years now.

    And regarding the “innocuous” Antifa, who “couldn’t possibly” be playing a key part in the violence—this, because Trump and Barr stated that they are—the Democrats have a bit of a problem:
    https://www.statesman.com/news/20190718/commentary-antifa-is-militant-wing-of-democratic-party
    https://archives.frontpagemag.com/fpm/antifa-real-fascists-matthew-vadum/
    https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kristine-marsh/2020/06/01/msnbcs-mitchell-defends-antifa-cherry-picking-trump-just-going

    Good luck and God bless.

  140. Relevant to these times, and to the old 1962 times:
    https://althouse.blogspot.com/2020/06/this-is-new-not-old-dion-sings-song-for.html

    Dion singing “A Song for Sam Cooke (Here in America)”.
    There really was real racism, anti-black racism.
    By the Democratic Party and their masked KKK violent allies.

    The Dems have never, ever, wanted blacks to be treated equally.
    Previously, they wanted to treat blacks worse, because they’re inferior.
    Today, they want to treat blacks better, because they’re getting inferior results.
    Never equality under the law, equality based on behavior.
    Never ML King’s guide of judgement based “on character”.

    Too many rioters, whites and blacks, have bad character.
    The schools refuse to teach good character, thus implicitly support bad character.

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