Canada tells father what pronouns he must call his own child
Here’s an example of how far the left—and some courts—are willing to go in the fight to offer physical (hormonal) treatments to children who identify as transgender, despite parental objections to the hormones at such a young age:
Last Wednesday, the Supreme Court of British Columbia (B.C.) ruled that a 14-year-old girl may undergo transgender hormone “treatments” to support her transgender identity as a boy — without her father’s consent. The court went so far as to threaten to penalize the father’s speech. If he calls his daughter a girl, that would constitute “family violence,” which would be punishable by law.
The B.C. Supreme Court ruled that the girl (referred to as A.B.) “is exclusively entitled to consent to medical treatment for gender dysphoria and to take any necessary legal proceedings in relation to such medical treatment,” and that “attempting to persuade A.B. to abandon treatment for gender dysphoria; addressing A.B. by his birth name; referring to A.B. as a girl or with female pronouns whether to him directly or to third parties; shall be considered to be family violence under s. 38 of the Family Law Act.”
According to the Family Law Act, “family violence” includes “psychological or emotional abuse of a family member, including intimidation, harassment, coercion or threats, including threats respecting other persons, pets or property, unreasonable restrictions on, or prevention of, a family member’s financial or personal autonomy.” Such an action is considered “family violence” along with “physical abuse of a family member” and “sexual abuse of a family member.”
Indeed, the court may even have considered the father’s attempts to convince his daughter to reconsider her transgender identity to be “physical abuse,” since that includes “deprivation of the necessities of life.”…
News outlets have referred to the girl as Maxine (not her real name) and her father as Clark (also a pseudonym). Maxine was encouraged by her school counselor to identify as a boy while in seventh grade. Dr. Brenden Hursh at B.C. Children’s Hospital decided that Maxine should take testosterone. Clark disagreed, filing an injunction to stop the hormone “treatments.”
You think it’s just Canada? Not in the least:
In a blow to advocates of parental authority, last week a visiting judge in a juvenile court in Hamilton County, Ohio stripped parents of custody of their teenage girl, who wants to identify as male, because they would not allow the 17-year-old to begin hormone replacement therapy.
The judge awarded custody to the teen’s grandparents who were, in the court’s eyes, more accepting of the teen’s wishes and who will now be allowed to make medical decisions for the teen. This case, which might be the first of its kind in juvenile court, should be disturbing to any advocate of parental rights and freedom of religious expression…
In 2016, the teen’s parents — the judge will not release the names of the family members — took her to Cincinnati Children’s Hospital for psychiatric treatment for anxiety and depression, where she was diagnosed with gender dysphoria. The teen wanted to continue with hormone replacement therapy, to help her appear male, but according to court testimony, her parents objected…
Based on their unwillingness to allow their child to go through with the treatments, which was based at least in part on their Christian beliefs, Judge Sylvia Hendon ruled to give the teen’s grandparents full custody, including the ability to make medical decisions and provide insurance (they’re accepting of her desire to identify as a male).
This is a case about parental rights to determine the medical treatment of a minor in an arena in which the answers are not the least bit obvious, and in which there is currently a war going on among “experts.” It’s also about religious freedom.
I’m not planning to make this post a lengthy discussion of the pros and cons of treating young people—if you’re interested in that, do some Googling. Suffice to say that it’s an area of tremendous controversy and even greater political agendas (this article—caveat: I’ve only read the first 200 words or so—looks as though it might be a pretty thorough and evenhanded treatment of some of the issues involved).
I’ve spent a goodly time on YouTube watching at least a few minutes of a number of videos from transitioning young people who identify as transgender. I’ve also watched at least the same number of videos of young people who have undergone what’s called “detransition.” They are young people who previously identified as transgender (sometimes they were over eighteen when they began treatment and sometimes they were younger than that). The detransitioners I’ve watched are most often people who were born female, and then transitioned to male and back to female. The speakers are often quite impressive in many ways—articulate, and often marked (at least those among them who had been female-to-male transgenders) by some irreversible sequelae of their experiences in taking male hormones and even at times having had surgery of various kinds: for example, some have permanently lowered voices.
Rather than continue to explain, I’ll just post two videos so you’ll see examples of what I’m talking about (there are plenty of others). All the people featured in these videos were born female, transitioned to male, and then detransitioned back to female:
Neo — This is disgusting and disgraceful. But that’s a knee-jerk reaction, as I haven’t really read your posting yet. But I soon will. First:
The reason for this comment is that I wanted to alert anyone who hasn’t seen it to your really excellent posting at Legal Insurrection on the demonization of the Covington Kids, and the adoption of other fairly disgusting Lefty and MSM feeding-frenzy codswallop, by pundits allegedly on the “Right.”
https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/01/it-wasnt-just-left-media-who-joined-in-the-buzzfeed-and-covington-hoaxes/
This is why it will require courage to adhere to the Judeo-Christian truth, “male and female, he created them”. The first group listed in Revelation Chapter 21, those who will be thrown into the lake of fire, are cowards; before murderers, before the sexually immoral, before liars. I’m trusting for grace and mercy.
Sharon +1
I can understand that under single payer in Canada this kind of stuff gets financed.
Another reason to not have it here.
But who is paying for the treatments that parents don’t want paid for in the U.S.?
Considering the taxpayer is paying for Manning’s reassignment surgery and prisoners (article below…a convicted kidnapper/murderer), why exclude these?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/07/us/california-is-first-to-pay-for-prisoners-sex-reassignment-surgery.html
Once again; all collectivist systems reject basic aspects of human nature AND reject key operative principles of the external reality within which we all exist. At base they are nihilistic and thus unsustainable without ever greater coercion. Thus they all will evolve into a condition where all thought, speech and behavior is declared to be either forbidden or mandatory.
“If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever.” George Orwell
I’ve been surprised at the number of female-to-male people there are. I’d assumed it was almost entirely a male-to-female phenomenon. Apparently the statistics are only 2:1.
huxley:
Actually, I don’t think there are figures on the number of people detransitioning male-to-female vs. female-to-male. I have noticed more videos from the female to male and back again group, but that doesn’t mean there are more videos from that group in general and it definitely doesn’t mean that the group making videos is a representative sample of the whole.
neo: And that’s why I clipped that paragraph with the Edit function.
The fact that 95% of young children who express some degree of gender dysphoria will accept their biological sex once they go through puberty is an excellent argument for doing NOTHING medical or surgical until people are at least 18. “Treating” young children is not medically or psychologically sound. This intervention between parent and child is wrong on so many levels, the religious level being only one of them.
Male and female sex. Masculine and feminine gender. And the transgender spectrum that includes individuals who exhibit divergent sexual orientation, indulge medical corruption, and other sex-correlated deviancy. That said, normalize, tolerate, or reject? Political congruence (“=”) is notoriously Pro-Choice.
You humans are dumb as… whatever livestock that voted the slave masters into power.
Where the hell were the parents for these kids?
Check this out:
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/transgender-man-gave-birth-opens-pregnancy-dont-see-less-man-162228569.html
Yup. Having vaginal intercourse and becoming pregnant while “manning up”!
Not going, as neo does, to the issue of transitioning, but rather to the issue of parental rights. I made some arguments in my book on Rights that included a discussion of a case before the SCOTUS and specifically Judge Scalia’s points on parental rights and the 9th Amendment.
Taking away a parent’s right to determine what is best for the child is a fundamental violation of individual liberty. No one can say the 17 yr old is capable – if they were making the argument, emancipation would have been on the table. Finding family members willing to accept that a child with depression and anxiety should treat such with GID first MAY be rational IF such depression and anxiety are rooted in the GID…but, there is reason to be concerned if this is the case.
In a year the child could make their own choices (yes, I said child because that is what we are dealing with here) so this is about $ and access. I do not have high hopes for him. A lot of damage has been done and I wonder how much of it has been done by the grandparents…
Yes…this is coming to a community near you.
In the state of Illinois social workers are obligated to support foster kids who are transgendered. If you work in schools it’s federal law to call them by their preferred pronouns.
I have suspicions that some significant percentage of teens and young adults who undergo gender change are simply depressed and then convinced by the current popularity of transgenderism that that is their problem. “The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.” But changing their gender doesn’t make them any happier.
Again, we are an occupied country, and the occupiers are lawyers. Judges, law professors, the public interest bar, and most of BigLaw. We are due for a diffidatio, when these people will be stripped of their citizenship and expelled from this country.
This is why the Justina Pelletier case here in Massachusetts a few years back was so ominous and baleful. We on the right knew what it was making a precedent for and were regarded for that as cranks.
Just testing