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  1. Jones technique of encouraging followers to disclose their doubts and antipathy reminds me of Mao’s “Hundred Flowers Campaign.”

    Mao gave a 1956 speech in which he seemed to be relaxing his rigid ideological control by pointing to the competing ideologies and intellectual ferment of the Warring States Period and saying, “The policy of letting a hundred flowers bloom and a hundred schools of thought contend is designed to promote the flourishing of the arts and the progress of science”.

    Encouraged to speak their minds, many dissatisfied intellectuals and others did air their grievances, and hundreds of thousands of letters of complaint poured into the Central Committee.

    This unexpected torrent of criticisms and dissatisfaction with how Mao and the Communist Party were running China apparently scared Mao, ideological control was re-imposed, and self-identified and thus exposed, those who had spoken out became the targets of the 1957 “Anti-Rightest Campaign” that followed, which saw many of them publicly criticized, fired, assaulted, sent out to the countryside to work, or sent to re-education camps.

  2. Socialism always devours…even its own adherents, especially when the promised “utopia” doesn’t arise.

    Jones was one crazy evil SOB…That he was friend to the far left in the US should tell us all we need to know.

  3. Jeff Guinn’s ‘The Road To Jonestown’ is another good book on this. It spends more time on his youth and the early years of the Peoples Temple as well as his relationship with his wife which is a strange aspect (she also died at Jonestown).

    AMC/Sundance aired a two part doc this past weekend of which I’ve watched the first half. It was pretty good and one of the things I think that makes this story still fascinating is the existence of so much audio of Jones and his disturbing behavior. That laugh is just plain creepy.

  4. The current tensions in the US are very uncomfortable, and we are right to worry. However, I do think people tend to forget, or the younger ones never knew, how truly crazy and frightening the 1960s and 1970s were. I remember clearly the horror of the headlines and stories about the Jones massacre. Evil is real.

  5. Its interesting to read about the relationship of Harvey Milk and Jim Jones.

    Milk clearly found his association with Jim Jones exhilarating. “It may take me many a day to come back down from the high that I reach[ed] today,” he wrote Jim Jones after one Temple service. “I was sorry that I had to leave after 4 short hours …. I found something dear today. I found a sense of being that makes up for all the hours and energy placed in a fight. I found what you wanted me to find. I shall be back. For I can never leave.”

    In exchange for all that, Milk provided legitimacy to Jim Jones. He spoke at Peoples Temple. He praised it in his column in the Bay Area Reporter. He lobbied on Jones’s behalf to President Jimmy Carter, Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare Joseph Califano, Guyanese Prime Minister Forbes Burnham, and other powerful figures. As Cult City shows, this proved disastrous for many people.

    So many local leaders enthusiastically vouching for Jim Jones made it easier for people in positions of responsibility far away to dismiss the charges against him as fantastical. Before the poor drank Jim Jones’s Kool Aid in South America, the powerful did in San Francisco.

  6. Jim Jones, a modern-day combination of Rasputin and Hitler, was for a long time the darling of the liberal establishment in San Francisco. The question is, Why do liberals unfailingly fall under the spell of dangerously crackpot socialists and their promised utopias. Why are people such as Dianne Feinstein, Herb Caen, Willie Brown, Harvey Milk, etc., who at first glance appear to be normal human beings, always bewitched by far-left psychopaths, such as Stalin, Mao, Castro, Ho, Chavez, and Jones?

  7. Has it been 40 years?

    Wow! I remember reading about it in time or Newsweek (we didn’t have the 24/7 news cycle back then), and being utterly shocked at the whole thing.

    And, even today, I cringe when I hear someone in a younger generation talk about someone “drinking the Kool-Aid” as they clearly don’t know the origin of that phrase and how using that phrase comes across as being in poor taste.

  8. Bob Kantor…if I might offer a thought to your question…
    There is no “spell” & no “bewitching.” Jones, Milk, Pol Pot, Sharpton, Clinton are not a skerrick different from one another. Name a leftist then imagine yourself thwarting their desires…small or large matters not…Simply stand between them and their wishes or in opposition to their goals…any one of them would wish you dead or kill you.

  9. An interesting question. Various thoughts….

    Sen. Feinstein is said by some on the anti-left to be less nuts than a lot of the Dem senators. What do the folks who hang out here think? And,

    Is she, or libruls/lefties generally, really more likely than the more conservative contingent to become bewitched by bad guys?

    Personally, I really do think Slick Willy had charisma — even over the TV. I once saw an interview, I think it was, in which he was so sincerely on-board with the whole American project (in the traditional sense). But I never saw anything particularly charismatic about the Sith. He just struck me as a wannabe-con-man, as opposed to WJC, who was the real deal. Seems to me WJC would have him for lunch in a con contest.

    Is it possible that Jones wasn’t all that nuts at first, when H. Milk and others fell for him?

    Just musing….

  10. I had seen a documentary, perhaps the one Griffin mentions. I think everyone understood the sociopathy of the man after the fact, but the doc. I saw emphasized the duplicity. They had interviews with people in the inner circle. He would preach from the bible, yet in private he would ridicule people who believed in a “sky god.”

    He was obviously interested in communes, but he was not a “bible communist” like some of the 19th century communes in New England. Check out Wikipedia’s “Jim Jones” page. He read Marx, Stalin, Mao, Gandhi, and Hitler avidly. He was involved in the Communist Party USA and wanted to demonstrate his Marxism. He started with the Methodist church, and gravitated to Seventh Day Baptist and faith healing so that he could better swindle people out of their money.

  11. Hm, no Edit just now. Anyhow, my remark above was prompted by Bill Kantor’s comment.

  12. For additional information on Jim Jones’s role in San Francisco politics: Jim Jones, Made in San Francisco.

    At the same time, Jim Jones’s connection to mainstream Democratic politics has been suppressed. He and the Peoples Temple, which exalted racial diversity and social justice, have been cast as harrowing examples of Christian religious extremism, though Jones preached atheism and ordered his followers to use the Bible as toilet paper. A roster of leaders who remain dominant figures in California politics today embraced Jones publically. Jerry Brown, then and now governor of the state, approvingly visited the Peoples Temple, and Senator Dianne Feinstein, who ascended to the mayoralty upon Moscone’s assassination, joined the Board of Supervisors in honoring Jones. Willie Brown, longtime speaker of the California state assembly, a mayor of San Francisco, and the mentor of Senator Kamala Harris, was especially lavish in his praise of Jones, calling him “a combination of Martin Luther King, Jr., Angela Davis, Albert Einstein, and Chairman Mao.”

    This was from a review of Daniel Flynn’s book, Cult City: Jim Jones, Harvey Milk, and 10 Days That Shook San Francisco.

  13. An old article in the San Francisco Chronicle gives us more detail about the involvement of Jim Jones and his Peoples Temple in San Francisco politics.Jones Captivated S.F.’s Liberal Elite / They were late to discover how cunningly he curried favor.
    Politicians liked Jim Jones because he delivered votes.

    Jones was a minister of the Disciples of Christ, but in San Francisco he was best known as the suave if slightly sinister leader of Peoples Temple, a flock of perhaps 8,000 people, mostly poor and mostly black, who appeared to do everything Jones told them to do.
    With these willing workers, Jones made himself the perfect gift for the liberal machine of U.S. Representatives Phillip and John Burton, Assemblyman Willie Brown and Mayor George Moscone, which was trying to consolidate its hold on San Francisco politics.

    Not only did Jim Jones deliver votes, he delivered political supporters to political events.

    “There wasn’t anything magical about Jim’s power,” Timothy Stoen, who spent nearly seven years in Peoples Temple as Jones’ attorney, said the other day.
    “It was raw politics. He was able to deliver what politicians want, which is power. And how do you get power? By votes. And how do you get votes? With people. Jim Jones could produce 3,000 people at a political event.”

    Jones also delivered political campaign workers.

    The turning point in Jones’ drive for power came in 1975, according to Tim Reiterman’s and John Jacobs’ exhaustive study, “Raven: The Untold Story of the Rev. Jim Jones and his People.” Jones’ army of volunteers saturated San Francisco neighborhoods, distributing slate cards for Moscone (running for mayor), Joseph Freitas (district attorney) and Richard Hongisto (sheriff). All three won.
    “What you had here was a ready-made volunteer workforce,” said Agar Jaicks, who was chairman of the county Democratic Central Committee, the governing body of the Democratic Party in San Francisco. “And you also had in Jones a man who touched a component of the consensus power forces in the city, such as labor and ethnicity groups, and he was very strong in the Western Addition. So here was a guy who could provide workers for causes progressives cared about.”

    Most important for San Francisco politicians, Jim Jones delivered to politicians what famed California state legislator Jess Unruh called “the mother’s milk of politics:” money.

    By March 1976, Herb Caen was writing items about tete-a-tetes between Jones and then-Assemblyman Brown in political watering holes like the old Bardelli’s.
    “Many a San Franciscan and many a project have received sizable checks from Peoples Temple, accompanied by only a short note from Jim Jones, saying, ‘We appreciate what you are doing,’ ” Caen wrote.
    Jones spread his largesse widely. He gave money to the NAACP, the Ecumenical Peace Institute and a senior citizens escort service. Willie Brown and then-Governor Jerry Brown were seen at temple services.

    The deep involvement of Jim Jones in San Francisco liberal Democrat politics is something most Democrats would like to have swept under the table.

    Several days after my company sent me to Bolivia for drilling engineering services work, I read of the Jonestown deaths. That was, for me, a rather somber introduction to South America. Several weeks later, I got another introduction to South America when Bolivia had its coup-of-the-month- this time a failed one. Fortunately, coup-of-the-month has died out in Bolivia, but authoritarian government has not, as Evo demonstrates.

  14. Julie near Chicago: no edit

    It goes up and down. Most times I get the edit, but occasionally not.

  15. Gringo, Edit: Yes it does.

    Thanks for the info on Jim Jones. Yuck.

    Thanks also to TommyJay.

  16. Sen. Feinstein is said by some on the anti-left to be less nuts than a lot of the Dem senators. What do the folks who hang out here think?

    Diane started as a pretty sensible politician by SF standards. I think she, like almost all politicians, learn to lie early on. Her husband has made millions from her relationships in government.

    Here is some info on him and his business.

    I don’t know what his net worth was when she was Mayor of SF. The assassination of Moscone and Milk put her there, unexpectedly.

    Blum is the billionaire founder of the private-equity firm Blum Capital Partners. Colony homes are owned under the umbrella of Colony Capital, one of the largest investment firms in the world. The senator’s disclosure describes Colony American Homes as a “leading owner and provider of high-quality single-family residences for rental across the United States.”

    What it doesn’t say is that the rental stock is made up of foreclosed homes purchased by a handful of investor groups and hedge funds in the aftermath of the 2007–08 financial crisis and real estate crash.

    Blum is often identified as a quintessential Democratic Party insider, with ties that run the gamut from Jimmy Carter to the Dalai Lama. His private-equity firm manages about $500 million in assets, and the bulk of the fund’s portfolio is dominated by holdings in CBRE, the world’s largest commercial real estate services firm.

    Though Blum has taken pains to deny it, reports say he’s worth at least $1 billion. According to a recent Roll Call survey, Feinstein’s net worth is $45.3 million, which puts her in the top tier of wealthy Washington lawmakers.

    Like most politicians of both parties, she ended up a millionaire.

    The comments to that linked article are interesting.

  17. Like most politicians of both parties, she ended up a millionaire.

    1. She was at least well to do by birth (patrician, I think).

    2. She married well. Her 2d husband (Bertram Feinstein) was a surgeon. They had a small family. IIRC, just one child between them.

    3. If I’m not mistaken, Richard Blum was already wealthy when he married her (he was 46 at the time). It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if his net worth (and Paul Pelosi’s) benefited greatly from a politician in the family. That’s not why Richard Blum’s been in the 1% for decades, nor why his wife has lived out her life in that stratum.

  18. ‘The current tensions in the US are very uncomfortable’…’I do think people tend to forget, or the younger ones never knew, how truly crazy and frightening the 1960s and 1970s were.’

    Kate, today is the 60s and 70s, upside down. The social movements that emerged during that period, the nonsense that the young people in the elite classes absorbed and internalized, is coming out again 40 years later as those young upper-class students and hippies and kids are not the elder class running the society. It’s producing a disaster because those values and ideals of the 60s (really the 70s, but everyone calls them the 60s because it emerged at the very end of that decade) are false and invalid, but they are dealy, firmly held by much of the ruling elite today.

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