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It’s like having an argument with your crazy girlfriend: the latest from Ford — 118 Comments

1. On Tucker tonight he brought up the information that if they don’t vote by end of next week it will be too late per Senate rules. Nomination would be over. Not sure if it is true. If so then they are just moving goalpost to stop the nomination.

2. If you believe some of the rumors going around … she tried this on Gorsuch. And no one believed ANY of it.

   She had 6 years to memorize her story … and constantly contradicts herself.

   Follow the money … how much has she gotten from Soros for placing a baseless allegation that cannot be proved or disproved?

3. Lynn Hargrove:

   I’ve heard that before, and I’ve also heard it’s not true. Not sure what to believe, but I’d like to think it’s now moot (as per UPDATE at end of post).

4. I’m pretty sure the update is accurate. Chuck Grassley is from an earlier generation of sturdier people, people who knew when to put an end to foolishness.

5. He must have the votes I guess.

6. And this woman is obviously very troubled. She needs help away from the public eye. Not that the left actually cares about her or anything.

7. This was my ex wife the narcissist.
   Zero empathy and how much i gave over the years drained me.
   Her last threats of divorce ended us when i responded, OK

8. The latest tweets from Sen. Grassley tonight:

   @ChuckGrassley 10m
   Judge Kavanaugh I just granted another extension to Dr Ford to decide if she wants to proceed w the statement she made last week to testify to the senate She shld decide so we can move on I want to hear her. I hope u understand. It’s not my normal approach to b indecisive

   @ChuckGrassley 25m
   Five times now we hv granted extension for Dr Ford to decide if she wants to proceed w her desire stated one wk ago that she wants to tell senate her story Dr Ford if u changed ur mind say so so we can move on I want to hear ur testimony. Come to us or we to u

9. Most of us have had the experience of arguing with a person like this. Give an inch? They take a mile. Make concessions? They want more. They are the poor suffering victims. They don’t like your tone of voice. They don’t like the expression on your face. If you try to be calm, you’re cold. If you try to be sympathetic, you’re condescending. Nothing you do is okay, and everything they do is okay.

   Sounds like every Woody Allen movie when he was arguing with his lover — Woody as the crazymaker, of course.

10. “Most of us have had the experience of arguing with a person like this. Give an inch? They take a mile. Make concessions? They want more.”

    My mother and her older sister were narcissists of this stripe. It took me years (too many) to figure out 1) what was wrong with them; and 2) how to deal with them. Short answer: stay as far away as possible and keep visits as short as possible. Thankfully they’re both gone now.

11. neo: It was fun reading the comments in the Daily Intelligencer article you linked. Commenters overwhelmingly rejected the Ford position which the Intelligencer was supporting.

    I suspect many regular folks on the left aren’t rock solid with this chicanery and are keeping their heads down.

    Not that they will object if the chicanery succeeds.

12. More Grassley:

    @ChuckGrassley 6m
    With all the extensions we give Dr Ford to decide if she still wants to testify to the Senate I feel like I’m playing 2nd trombone in the judiciary orchestra and Schumer is the conductor

13. Those tweets look very fake. I highly doubt he is communicating with the judge over Twitter.

14. The Hill confirms the tweets — https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/407895-grassley-extends-deadline-for-kavanaugh-accuser-to-decide-on-testifying

15. Grassley obviously needs a spine transplant, STAT.

16. This is a game. The one week rule is well known to her handlers.

17. If those are really his tweets then he is a very unserious man. What’s with the u and ur and the lame ass jokes. We have the worst leaders ever. Pathetic.

18. What happened to using US Senate stationery?

    like omg. like i am tipsy

    not me. Senator Grassley

19. Does this mean the R vote count in the Senate is soft?

    In which case Grassley doesn’t have much choice but to temporize while McConnell does whatever he does.

20. Baklava,

    No kidding did he let his great granddaughter get ahold of his twitter account or something. ‘Poppy needs some help with the twitter machine honey!’

    What a joke.

21. The contrast with the US Senate stationery is stark.

    Twitter is not a communication tool for this purpose.

22. PowerLine commenter:
    Jeff • 34 minutes ago
    We’ve all read this book, its called: “If you give a mouse a cookie”.

23. https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/21/trump-kavanaugh-christine-blasey-ford-charges-834664

    “But Kavanaugh’s defenders continued to support the nominee. More than 70 women who have known Kavanaugh at various points in his life crowded a stage at the JW Marriott in Washington on Friday, adamantly dismissing the allegation as contradictory to his character.

    One of the women, Meghan McCaleb, said she would hang out with Kavanaugh nearly every weekend in high school and that Kavanaugh dated her sister and some of her closest friends. McCaleb said she tangentially knew Ford through mutual friends. Though McCaleb did not say Kavanaugh and Ford were never at a party together, she did say she never remembers being at party with Ford, who was in another social group.”

    https://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2018/09/fords-college-best-friend-never-mentioned-assault-summer/

    “The text message from Christine Blasey Ford this summer worried her college best friend, Catherine Piwowarski.

    Over their years of friendship — as roommates, bridesmaids and parents on opposite coasts — Dr. Blasey wanted to know, had she ever confided that she had been sexually assaulted in high school?

    No, Ms. Piwowarski said she texted back, she would have remembered that, and was everything O.K.? Dr. Blasey didn’t want to speak in detail quite yet, her friend recalled her responding. “I don’t know why she was asking that or what it ultimately meant or didn’t mean,” Ms. Piwowarski said in an interview, but she remembers thinking that the question betrayed deep turmoil.”

    (quoting NYT)

    NYT Posted at 12:00 pm on September 20, 2018

    nytimes.com/2018/09/19/us/politics/christine-blasey-ford-brett-kavanaugh-allegations.html?action=click&module=Top+Stories&pgtype=Homepage

24. I’m going out on a limb…she’s lying.

    She made this up out of whole cloth to cover for some indiscretion in her marriage way back in 2012. One lie led to the next & before you know it, it blew up big & wide. Now she’s “famous” but really wishes she wasn’t. As soon as the Rs said, “Ok…let’s hear what you’ve got,” she hunkered down behind the “I’m a woman you should just believe me” routine. But this is 2018…and there’s this thing called the 24-hour social media cycle…put up or shut up.

    She’s lying that it was Judge Kavanaugh.
    She’s likely lying about something like this ever happening. OR…if something like this did happen…Ed Whelan’s BS speculation is about as plausible as anything else. AND…let’s not forget those yearbooks that mysteriously got disappeared for a bit…She was part of a pretty fast & loose crowd back in the day. Coulda been anybody.

    Enough of this! Vote Dammit!

25. Can we rewind to 1988?

    before Twitter, before Bush, let’s redo this technology thing right

26. WHY does this woman get to jerk everyone else around? No matter how many concessions they give her, it is never enough. JUST STOP IT!!! She has had plenty of time. If she keeps refusing to come forth, VOTE.

27. Francesca; John Guilfoyle:

    Read my latest update. I think this is happening because a couple of the GOP senators are saying they will vote no unless she testifies. That’s what seems like the most likely explanation for the whole sad dance.

28. Baklava,

    Yep, I’ve said it before but the rise of social media is the single most destructive event of this century. Not a direct life and death thing like Islamic terrorism but a far, far more wide ranging impact. It has lowered the discourse to unimaginable levels from even twenty years ago.

29. Are these senators fu*king stupid, if she isn’t willing to testify under reasonable terms that means she lied. Can millions of conservatives just protest in the front doors of these cowards republicans if they don’t vote yes for the confirmation. I really hope any reps who vote no will have themselves and all their male relatives get destroyed by false rape accusations.

    Why still care so much about public image at this point? republicans are portrayed as sexist and racist in the media regardless if you appease them or not, and it has been going on long before trump.

30. first they come for Moore, then they come for kavanaugh, tomorrow they will come after you, your father, your son. Jeesh can you say you lived your life cleaner than kavanaugh? if they could destroy someone who has such an impeccable moral record then you are doomed.

31. Neo said, ” . . . the fact that Ford set this entire thing in motion . . . ”

    Ford should be put in a witless [spelling intentional] protection program ASAP for the good of the country.

32. THIS IS IMPORTANT.
    Yes, I put that in all caps.
    Read this entire piece.

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/when-every-boy-is-guilty-every-girl-becomes-a-monster/

    “I was at the dentist. We lived in the Old North End, the first trolley car suburb. Meaning it was about a mile and a half to downtown, four blocks North to the elementary school and four blocks south to my dentist.

    I’m sitting in the waiting room. The dentist is a strict Christian, and his magazines are the cleanest sort, his clientele mostly elderly. I get a phone call. And hear words coming out of my mouth. And all the elderly women staring at me in horror, because they were rather special in that kind of words.

    So I told the elderly ladies “the school is telling me they’re calling the police because my 8-year-old touched a girl.”

    At which point they nodded understandingly because little old ladies aren’t fools.
    
    I had walked to the dentist, partly because my parking skills suck and trying to park in the general downtown area isn’t worth it, and partly because it was a lovely fall day.

    So I ran. Eight blocks. Up the street. At top speed.

    I got there in the state you expect, and having trouble speaking, because out of breath. At which point the school called a security guard because they were afraid I was going to do them violence. Yeah. Which tells you what their consciences were telling them.

    I finally got the gist of the complaint and that my son had “confessed.”

    I told them to shut up and let my son tell it. Apparently, my son had a little friend who happened to be a girl. He was trying to get her attention so they could play the “space game” (yes, I know what that was, my kids played it all day long. It was basically RPG where they pretended to be space explorers.) There were other kids in the way, and she couldn’t hear him shout. So he reached – through the other kids – and touched her three times.

    At which point, hell broke loose.

    Apparently a playground guard thought this girl was “very pretty” and “all the little boys were interested in her” (Yes, third grade. Is anyone else getting a creepy vibe?) so when younger son touched her “on the butt” (playground guard’s version) the playground guard KNEW what she had to do.

    She descended upon the kids, whisked the little girl to counseling and the little boy to the principal’s office to be threatened with suspension and the police.

    I asked son, right there, in front of all of them what he’d confessed to.

    He said they’d told him touching someone on the butt was sexual harassment so he’d confessed to that. I asked him WHY it was sexual harassment. Bewildered stare. I asked him what sexual meant. He understood it pertained to genitals, but being very young and frankly not sexually aware at all, he had no clue what this had to do with the rear end.

    I glared at them and told them how ridiculous this was. They backed down and said they’d just give him a suspension. I said they’d give him NOTHING or I would make them the laughing stock of every blog and magazine in the nation.

    Eventually, they backed down.

    Roll forward three years.

    Our younger son, a happy, gregarious child, who had some issues (he has sensory processing disorder. No, it’s not made up. Yes, it was causing him serious trouble in class as he moved to middle school, which was bigger and noisier.) and a slight speech impediment, but never had trouble having friends or enjoying school. The incident in the playground three years before was well and truly forgotten (though I’ll note it was the same school.)

    Suddenly, he was being given detentions practically daily. We were told he was aggressive. We were told a lot of vague stuff that made no sense. Because the child is introverted and also one of those people who’ll fight his own battles, we couldn’t get sense out of him either.

    It all came to a head when they called us – yes, saying they were about to call the police – because he had kissed a little girl against her will on the lunch line.

    The problem was that while in the lunch line, he’d been talking to his Spanish teacher. Also, there were cameras in the lunchroom, filming every interaction.

    We pointed this out. They said yes, but girls don’t lie about these things, so it must have happened another time. The words “we’ll sue you to your back teeth. I’ll make it my life’s mission to ruin everyone involved in this” were uttered. It was dropped.

    But the incidents continued and escalated, and we became aware of what was happening though we only pieced the background of it together almost a year later.

    The background was this: 18 girls, most of them children of the staff, had decided my son was – and I’ll use their term – “retarded” and therefore “dangerous” (I’ll point out the speech impediment was the ONLY reason they could even think so.) And they’d decided to make us remove him from the school/get the school to expel him by accusing him of “harassing them.”

    It included such charming incidents as claiming he blocked the door to them so they couldn’t leave the school, on a day when he was home sick. That he’d called them lesbians when that was a word he a) didn’t know the meaning of and b) couldn’t pronounce because of speech impediment. That he’d FOLLOWED THEM HOME throwing rocks and threatening them, on a day I’d picked him up in the car. (In fact, I started making a practice of this. Which is why one day, parked under a tree, I watched my son leave the school pursued by one of these delicate flowers who was throwing rocks at him and calling him filthy names.)

    Our son became clinically depressed. He gained fifty pounds. He slept all the time. The administration and the school entrusted with his education told us only that girls don’t make things up, so he must be doing something.
    …
    Note he never had any problems at any other school.

    However, four interesting incidents followed:

    The summer after sixth grade, we were all working in our front yard when friends came by to kidnap my husband and me for ice cream. We left the two boys – the older was then over six feet – to work in the yard, and went off. We came back half an hour later to find all the tools including the expensive electric rototiller abandoned in the yard and the two boys locked in the house. Older son – who, trust me, besides being built like the proverbial brick sh*thouse, doesn’t scare easily — then explained a group of these girls (he thought all eighteen, but he didn’t count) came by, started taunting and harassing them, came into our yard, through the gate. Two of them picked up gardening tools (like a shovel and a rake) and started threatening the boys. Which is when older son dragged younger inside and locked the door behind him. And they sat. And waited for us.
    The following summer, one full year after I’d pulled the kid out of school, someone egged our house, around his bedroom window. A FULL YEAR. And keep in mind, this kid at the time had no other contact with neighborhood kids. He was being home schooled and was at home pretty much all the time.
    When younger son went into high school, that fall, his French teacher called us, concerned. You see, he liked to go two blocks away, to a little café, where he studied. For some days, he’d been avoiding it though. The teacher told us she’d seen some girls surround him and punch/kick him. Yep, same girls.
    Two years later, older son needed driving lessons. So we got brochures, and called one of the men. We didn’t know he was the father of one of these girls. Older son went for his lesson to find himself yelled at and told that the school “shouldn’t put retarded kids with normal kids” and how “dangerous” his little brother had. All while behind the wheel for the first time.
    Older son – possessor of an immense dignity even at 16 – politely informed the man that his brother was in no way mentally deficient, having an IQ estimated above the 99.9%. At which point the man then yelled at older son that younger son then was a “psychopath” and “dangerous.”

    Note this was ALL before the #metoo madness and also that the girls were using accusations of harassment as a tool to get what they wanted: i.e. a kid they considered abnormal or “icky” removed from school.

    Note also that teachers and parents implicitly believed everything the little idiots said was the sacred truth. Or didn’t dare question it. Why? I don’t know. The kid hasn’t been born who doesn’t lie, and the stew of hormones in Middle School makes girls, who develop faster than boys, into drama queens and bitch goddesses supreme.

    Now fast forward to this incident reported today in a Colorado Springs middle school (heavens, I hope it’s the same. This bad a crazy infecting more than one school would be scary.): Boy, 13, Arrested, Cuffed And Dragged From School Over #MeToo Allegations.”

    The linked story is atrocious.

33. Something is up, per my Facebook-ometer. All my friends are hard core progressive democrats (it’s a problem) but absolutely zero about this until today, when suddenly my feed is full of anti-Kavanaugh stuff.

    I’m a rape survivor and the politicization feels dehumanizing, so they are actually triggering my ptsd.

34. IMO, many are reading this wrong. It is a case of giving them enough rope.

35. AesopFan: Ford has two sons as well as a (at-least-for-now) husband– can you imagine what their lives are like? (And yes, I had read Hoyt’s post earlier this evening; good stuff.)

36. Being crazy left tard is dangerous to my grandchildren, and if I live long enough greatgrandchildren. I have words but not for {for mostly polite company) so realize if you live within 100 miles I will _________. There are legions who feel just like me.

37. Oldflyer – this is for you, because of the blogger’s logo picture.

    http://victorygirlsblog.com/kavanaugh-tried-by-innuendo-guilty-by-media/

    “Isn’t it strange how Ford wants to save herself from possible embarrassment but has absolutely no qualms about putting Judge Kavanaugh and his family through it. Her accusation, with nothing to back it up and without her being willing to testify, is “traumatic and harrowing” for them. But they, in the grand scheme of Democratic thinking, don’t matter.
    Or at least they don’t seem to where the media is concerned. Instead of devoting a segment to Judge Kavanaugh’s response to the allegations, you have less than a minute in a more than 3 minute segment going over what Kavanaugh said before then cutting to Ford’s attorney and her take on what should happen.
    …
    No bias there, just as there isn’t any in the fact so few in the mainstream media are asking why Sen. Feinstein sat on the letter that started this whole hist storm for so long?

    Instead, we have Anderson Cooper and others all but fawning over Ford’s demands, via her attorney, for “a full investigation by law enforcement officials will ensure that the crucial facts and witnesses in this matter are assessed in a non-partisan manner, and that the Committee is fully informed before conducting any hearing or making any decisions.” We have other stories attempting to build sympathy for Ford because she has allegedly been forced from her home over fears for her safety. Where are the articles about the impact these allegations have had on Judge Kavanaugh and his family? Where is the concern that the facts be assessed in a non-partisan manner FOR Judge Kavanaugh’s benefit?

    We even have Sen. Feinstein, who sat on the Ford’s accusations, saying, “Now, I can’t say everything’s truthful. I don’t know.” Of course, she also says, “it’s really too bad that no one called her, or called her lawyer.” Yeah, maybe they would have if Feinstein told them about the letter before the hearings had basically ended. But few in the media are pointing this out or asking the good senator, and I use that term loosely, why.”

38. It’s looking like she is afraid of being caught in a lie. I bet more and more people are thinking this. She has had 36 years of associating with psychologists to come to terms with the event, and she still can’t decide. Not only is she harming herself and Kavanaugh, but she is making the whole psychological profession look totally incompetent. Compare her with people who have lost friends and family members, to vets who have lost limbs and seen their comrades die, to people coming to terms with horrible illnesses. How many members of families of Chicago shooting victims have been through worse? She is sounding like a snowflake to more and more people. I hope she drifts on top of a volcano right before it erupts. She and her pussy hat friends do not speak for real women.

39. An essay by a rape victim – not impressed with Ford’s story.

    http://victorygirlsblog.com/its-not-fear-but-opportunism-that-drives-blasey-ford/
    by Marta Hernandez
    “In my senior year of college, I was also the victim of something similar – actual rape, not drunken groping, but a violent attack after which the perpetrator was arrested, tried and incarcerated for years.

    Yes, there was fear. Yes, there was embarrassment. No, neither one of us had been drinking that fateful night. But when you’re confronted with unspeakable, soul-crushing violence, it would be criminal not to speak out, not to call the police, not to have the perpetrator prosecuted and punished for the crime he (or she – yes, men can and do get raped) committed. Especially when the rapist can go on to victimize others and put them through the same hell as you.

    I called the police as soon as I could. Why didn’t Ford?”

    RTWT.

    Ms. Hernandez mentions men can also be raped; here is the story of one of them, with his very rational response about accusations and due process.

    http://thefederalist.com/2018/09/19/man-raped-doesnt-justify-punishing-people-without-due-process/

    By Chad Felix Greene
    SEPTEMBER 19, 2018

    “There is a good and valid reason sexual assault advocates so strongly fight questions about why a woman would not report her assault, wait so long, or not do anything to stop it. But there is also the recognition that, once a certain amount of time has passed and certain evidence is lost forever, there is no justice to be had.

    There is a good and valid reason sexual assault advocates so strongly fight questions about why a woman would not report her assault.
    This is a cold and objective truth that we too often overlook because of how unfair it is. Accusing a person requires proof, and the only time proof is available is immediately after the assault. After that, it becomes harder and harder to prove your story and, as the accuser, it is your responsibility to do so. To protect victims, too many advocates forget the importance of due process for everyone, equally.

    There is also a moral and ethical obligation with recognizing what happened to you and the power you wield from your ability to accuse. If I stumbled upon the man who raped me, as I have often thought about, could I accuse him in public? Could I shout his name and the crime he committed against me that has redefined my concept of intimacy, autonomy, and lifelong health?

    The answer is no, because I cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the man in front of me would be guilty of the crime I’d accuse him of, and he would be utterly defenseless to my accusation. I do not have the right to name a person, turn his life upside down, and ruin his reputation. It’s not because I am not entitled to justice but because I am simply unable to prove an assumed innocent man is guilty.

    Survivors should be listened to. Our stories matter, and I have tried with more energy than I thought possible to share mine for the good of others, awareness, and honest debate. But I draw the line at accusation. My window to accuse closed before I even had the awareness to know it was an option, but that is reality.”

40. Why should men keep their hands off women if women could accuse them of raping them at anytime and a conviction is guaranteed regardless if the man did it or not. When women has this much power over men, a woman can use this power to destroy any man for any reason, breaking up with her or not buying her the handbag she wants. If the man goes to jail anyway, why hold back? why not enjoy the goods when they have already forced you to pay.

    Have feminists thought it through?

41. My point is that if the judicial system deteriorates to the point that any accusation from any woman against any man automatically constitutes a conviction of sexual misconduct, and committing sexual assaults and simply arguing with a woman basically gives the man pretty much the same punishment since a woman who has beef against you for disrespecting her can theoretically still accuse you of rape and a conviction is guaranteed under the new feminist controled justice system, there is no incentive for men to hold back from really doing it.

    Thieves avoid killing because punishment for robbery is a lot lighter. If killing and stealing are punished the same, why hold back?

42. https://accordingtohoyt.com/2018/09/19/scandal/

    “The way conservatives (and more generally males) are treated in our society is a scandal.

    A scandal is — as I see it, and I want to point out I’m no theological expert — an action or statement that so fundamentally breaks the rules on which the society/church/science/interest is based on that it unravels the thing upon which it stands.
    …
    You can’t have government trying to discredit a candidate without causing people to doubt all elections. You can’t have the vast amount of fraud we have without removing the underpinnings of our trust in elections. You can’t have “believe all women” without removing our judicial system, in which the accused is always presumed innocent, even if you found him with the smoking gun in his hand (he might after all have just picked it up after the murderer ran off.) You can’t have trial by rumor and innuendo without undermining our entire system.

    It’s impossible. If without witnesses, without corroboration, with an history of false memories (she blames her therapist for her having thought that there were four attackers before) if Kavanaugh’s accuser is allowed to derail his nomination, a fundamental thread will have been pulled out of our social fabric. Hell, if she and everyone who is putting a man and his family through hell aren’t PUNISHED in fact, or in deed (by having their every shady moment brought to light) society has suffered a death blow.”

43. https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/09/21/kavanaugh-accusers-lawyers-refuse-to-meet-grassleys-final-deadline/

    “Earlier Friday evening, Grassley had set a 10:00 p.m. deadline, after which he would schedule a committee vote on Kavanaugh’s Supreme Court confirmation. That 10:00 p.m. Eastern deadline was imposed after Grassley’s relenting from a 10:00 a.m. deadline to let the Judiciary Committee know if Ford would be testifying under oath on Monday. A new date of Wednesday was offered, with an initial deadline to accept of 5:00 p.m., but after rejecting a series of Ford’s lawyers controversial demands, a final extension of five hours was offered.

    Among these demands were a Thursday or later hearing date and a prohibition on the Senate Judiciary Committee enlisting female outside lawyers to assist them in taking Ford’s testimony. Most controversially, Ford’s legal team demanded that Ford, the accuser, testify after the accused, Kavanaugh. In their final offer letter, Republican Judiciary Committee staff called this demand in a particular “an affront to fundamental notions of due process.”

    If Grassley and his fellow Republicans on the Judiciary Committee stick to their announced plan, the committee will convene for a vote Monday. If, as expected, the Republican majority votes to approve Kavanaugh’s confirmation, it will pass to the full Senate, where a vote for cloture, setting up a final full-Senate vote, can be taken Wednesday morning. That final vote could then be taken Thursday, allowing Kavanaugh to take a seat on the Supreme Court in time of the start of the Court’s October term.

    In her Friday night email, Katz insists that “the 10 p.m deadline is arbitrary. Its sole purpose is to bully Dr. Ford and deprive her of the ability to make a considered decision that has life-altering implications for her and her family.”

    Timing in the case, however, has serious implications for Kavanaugh’s confirmation. Without a hearing Monday, or at the very latest Wednesday, as Grassley had offered, confirming Kavanaugh before the start of the Supreme Court’s new term becomes virtually impossible.”

    https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2018/09/21/alan-dershowitz-absurd-and-outrageous-to-make-kavanaugh-testify-before-ford/

    “Dershowitz added, “Civil liberties have to be complied with, and the ACLU, we don’t hear from them. When the accuser’s lawyer says that the accused has to go first, that’s such a fundamental denial of due process, the way they used to do it in the Star Chamber, you call somebody in, have him deny everything, and then you bring in the accuser afterward. That’s just not the way the Anglo-American system of justice has ever worked.”

    Dershwoitz continued, “It would be outrageous to have him testify first and her testify only in response, and I want to hear from the American Civil Liberties Union on that issue. For years and years they’ve talked about due process of law and due process can’t apply only to Democrats and not to Republicans.”

    Dershowitz explained the centrality of an accused’s right to respond to his or her accuser.

    “What’s not reasonable, at all, and what really destroyed the credibility of some of the other reasonable claims, is this demand that he go first,” said Dershowitz. “It’s just impossible to imagine a legal system that is anything consistent with the rule of law which puts the accused on the stand first before the accuser takes the stand. It’s just inconceivable that that should happen.”

    Dershowitz criticized assumptive descriptions of Ford as a “victim” and “survivor,” as well as descriptions of Kavanaugh as a “perpetrator.”

    “What you have is media on the left calling her a victim and calling her a survivor, we don’t know if that’s true,” noted Dershowitz.”

    https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/09/21/sen-cory-booker-admitted-to-groping-female-friend-at-15/

    “Mulshine had cited a portion of a piece written in 1992 by – as he calls him – “our junior U.S. Senator, Cory ‘Spartacus’ Booker,” when the senator was a student at Stanford University.

    The column, titled “So Much for Stealing Second,” was apparently written by Booker to highlight his conversion from a 15-year-old who was “trotting around the bases and stealing second” to a “sensitive man” who came to understand women as victims of men’s sexual “power plays.”

    In his piece, Booker proudly boasted that his transformation was so stark, one college friend even referred to him as a “man-hater.”

    In a second column, cited by Fox News, in which Booker referred to “date rape,” he admitted, “With this issue as with so many others, a dash of sincere introspection has revealed to me a dangerous gap — a gap between my beliefs and my actions.”

    Booker’s writings have drawn criticism, as they have circulated once again, since he is considered to be a potential 2020 presidential contender.

    “But that column puts the senator in an awkward position regarding the allegations against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh by psychologist Christine Blasey Ford,” Mulshine pointed out as well.

    Now-Sen. Booker has called for a delay in the vote to confirm Kavanaugh, in light of Ford’s accusation of sexual misconduct against the nominee – which Kavanaugh denies – over 35 years ago.”

44. Old but not stale.

    http://monsterhunternation.com/2013/09/20/the-internet-arguing-checklist/

    “Do you ever find yourself arguing with liberals on the internet? Are you tired of people telling you about how awesome free healthcare is for the economy? Or how you should just shut up and pay your fair share because crack whores need iPhones too? Or how we should ban the super ultra-deadly assault rifle AR-15 shotgun Glock? Or been asked why do you hate old people, you cismale gendernormative fascist, hatey-McHaterton-hatey-hate-hatemongering racist?

    Have you grown frustrated because arguing with the willfully ignorant is like repeatedly punching a really dumb cactus?

    Well, I’ve prepared a handy checklist so you can accurately predict what your willfully ignorant statist will spout next! Have fun with this, as you can follow your friends arguments and play bingo with these. If you are new to internet debate, just find any kerfuffle on Facebook and see how long it takes for you to check most of these off. It is fun for the whole family!

    This may come as a shock to some of you gentle readers, but I am politically opinionated.

    Okay, never mind, but as one of the handful of politically outspoken conservatives or libertarians working in an entertainment industry that is overwhelmingly left leaning, at some point I became the voice of an angry generation. (in reality authors are about as evenly divided as the rest of America, but most of the ones on my side keep their mouths shut, but we’ll get to that when we detail Concern Troll Threats)

    WARNING!

    Left wingers who can actually produce a solid argument are to be treasured and debated fully (that’s sort of the point of debate). Unlike many of my liberal contemporaries, I don’t “manage” my blog comments until I have an echo chamber and my self-esteem isn’t predicated on how many sycophants pat my tender head while telling me how brilliant I am for standing up for some straw man cause de jour. I’ve got a bunch of regular left wing readers who can bring their A Game. I love them. Arguing with them, and honing my points against them makes my arguments stronger for the future.

    Sadly, for every intelligent, articulate Eric Flint out there, most arguments against liberal group think results in a legion of poo flinging monkeys showing up.

    This checklist is intended only for the willfully ignorant, banally stupid, sound byte spewers incapable of thinking through anything more complicated than a Facebook meme. The lowest form of debater is the pathetic crap sacks that can only follow this checklist.

    WARNING 2!

    If you are on my side, but this is how you debate, shut up. You’re making us look bad. Good arguing should consist of compelling rhetoric which is backed up with facts and logic. If your tactics are to shut down debate, you are an idiot. It should never be to shut down or scare off, but to WIN.

    THE LEFT WING INTERNET ARGUING CHECKLIST

    Skim until Offended
    Disqualify that Opinion
    Attack, Attack, Attack
    Disregard Inconvenient facts
    Make Shit Up
    Resort to Moral Equivalency
    Concern Trolling
    When all else fails, Racism!

    So let’s break this down so you know what to look for, and you can have a good laugh as people who have zero substance, critical thinking skills, or facts make fools of themselves!

    …
    THE MORAL OF THE CHECKLIST

    I often get people who agree with me posting stuff like “well, you wasted your time on that doofus!” Ah, but you miss the point. You don’t defend your beliefs in the hopes of convincing the willfully ignorant. That’s a lost cause. The willfully ignorant aren’t to be convinced, they are to be mocked. Their flaws are to be pointed out until everyone around them realizes how full of crap they are. Remember that argument is theater, and your performance isn’t aimed at your opponent, but rather at the audience. If you choose to follow the Fisker’s Path, your goal is three fold.

    Give ammo to the people already on your side.

    Convince the undecided .

    Allow your opponent’s to display their petty ignorance to the world.”

45. Griffin,
    So right about the social media. Before social media there were just all the cars with all the bumper stickers.

    Expat,
    Sorry you are experiencing ptsd a little. Remember the good people in life want you to be ok.

    Neo,
    I am supremely dissappointed no matter the number of votes in Grassley. The gravitas of the situation should dictate that it isn’t just Grassley writing in Twitter but the weight of the United States Senate on United States Senate LETTERHEAD or stationery as I was saying before. The decision requires it because this is history. All records from the United States Senate should be written on United States Senate Letterhead. Am I too old fashioned? Now we have to gather records from Twitter for this little sideshow of history?

    Am I the only one to feel this way? It isn’t just Grassley speaking… Why does he have the right to tweet versus “send correspondence from the United States Senate”. Is this the way the Senate does business now?

    On legal matters? While I’ve been surprised at CBF’s demands. Now I’m surprised at everyone involved.

46. Ann Coulter’s tweet 3 hours ago
    https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1043380305493721088

    And her reponse to Senator Grassley,
    https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1043368052228870144

47. Are the grown-ups now in charge?

    If so, they need to tell Professor Ford that she needs to either act like one, or go back to the kiddie table.

48. Trump put Kavenaugh on a list of possible nominees back in 2016.
    She’s had two years.

49. Well, she IS a psychologist. That explains everything. I’ve known quite a few in my time, and read through many more papers by them and their peers, and bizarre, erroneous, irrational, illogical, and just plain crazy are all appropriate labels.

50. Serious question: Someone from high school alleges you did a terrible thing 35 years ago. He has no date and time. He has no place. There are no other witnesses. There is no physical evidence. You deny it. Should anyone take the allegation seriously? Why?

51. no such thing as crazy girlfriend etc… they are all perfect, must be the guys problem he must make her that way… oh well…

52. Should anyone take the allegation seriously? Why?

    i put up why… its hearsay law changes… they are often used in family court which sets the precidents and why they say make notes, tell your girlfriend, bring it up in therapy… ie. touch on several parts of the federal statute so you get a easy dunk on the point..

    but when i put up stuff like that. a new thread starts..
    unconscience behavior? who knows…
    but its statistically high if you run the numbers
    you know, like a register girl that makes mistakes, but always their favor
    when i hit too early on a point, or such, that happens
    or the point is edited down to being neutered…
    infertile half idea w no conclusion

    look up in the other thread the federal statute
    goes back decades so there is a lot of precedence to change hearsay into evidence

    guys been complaining for ages that it was unfair, but its boo hoo F U as far as that goes today, even less so since all such cases are pitting a protected victim class against an oppressor class and protected classes also have some unequal favoritism too…

    thats why the last post.. thats the presumption starting point which absolves the responsibility and pushes it someplace else…

53. No, its more like pushing things towards this common multi state, multi culture, multi linqual as one message accross the whole of the west…

    (yes, he is Swedish, yes, this is a sarcastic way to point things out – but if outright acts of violence so henious the society cant go to concerts, festivals that went on for 100s of years are being stopped, and Hegel is giggling profusely)

    Welcome to Sweden
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=15&v=3KSJY0c8QWw

54. This woman and her attorneys remind me of my late unlamented stepmother. She was, in my opinion, a sociopath, very manipulative and dishonest. There is no good way to deal with such a person.

    Cut it off, Sen. Grassley. They’re not serious about coming to Washington (or having staff go to her). This is purely about delaying the vote. I hope the wavering GOP senators can see this, after all these attempts to be reasonable.

55. What Social media can do to people is giving everyone the false belief that they are the Alan Dershowitz of internet.

56. Random thoughts:
    It takes time to get the botox and makeover just right for the camera.

    Grassley needs to issue a subpeona, and get on with it.

    These so-called feminists want to be treated as equal, until they don’t.

57. Baklava,
    I’m OK, but I just get very angry at Snowflakes who have to demonstrate about things that are nothing in life’s grand scheme. Being attacked by a stranger, thrown behind a bush, and raped is not the same thing as a guy who doesn’t go away after you have invited him into your bed. Instead of just blaming the guy, a woman should question her own role in the incident. Toay’s activists and SJWs are all about virtue signalling, and I hate that.

58. Ford and her lawyer remind me of the psychopath women in 80s/90s Michael Douglas flicks

59. Why I think she is lying —

    She’s lying because she’s a hard core lefty. Seriously. Lefties lie. It is part and parcel of being a lefty.

    She’s lying because her story makes no sense. It’s logically inconsistent.

    She’s lying because of the people who she has representing her.

    She’s lying because she’s a psychology professor. This social science “discipline” has embraced falsehood through post-modernism.

60. Dave

    “first they come for Moore, then they come for kavanaugh, tomorrow they will come after you, your father, your son. Jeesh can you say you lived your life cleaner than kavanaugh? if they could destroy someone who has such an impeccable moral record then you are doomed.”

    Two different situations. Moore was a grown man accused of wanting to fool around with much younger women (teenagers). Moore’s eye for teens was well known in Gadsden, Alabama for years. But in the end Conservatives in Alabama just don’t really like Roy Moore and that’s why they stayed home. They didn’t vote for the democrat Doug Jones, they just stayed home.

61. “If that happens, the Democrats will be ecstatic and the GOP rank and file furious, and this will be reflected in the elections.” Neo

    Don’t you think the GOP rank and file will be so mad about this that they will come out in droves to vote against any and all democrats? Or would they be mad at the Republicans for not having a spine and pushing the vote?

62. If this crap is successful, which currently seems to be the case, who in their right mind would want to accept a follow-on nomination by the President for the Supreme Court?

63. It has become “Lucy and the football game” with psychologist Dr. Ford and Senator Chuck Grassley.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=Lucy%20and%20the%20football

    The “arbitrary” deadline is now 2:30 EST.

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/poking-a-hole-in-professor-fords-fear-of-flying-excuse/

64. Two different situations. Moore was a grown man accused of wanting to fool around with much younger women (teenagers). Moore’s eye for teens was well known in Gadsden, Alabama for years. But in the end Conservatives in Alabama just don’t really like Roy Moore and that’s why they stayed home. They didn’t vote for the democrat Doug Jones, they just stayed home.

    No, a minority large enough to be decisive stayed home. And nothing was ‘well-known’ in Gadsden. Moore’s an old man and has been married since 1984. He’s also an exceedingly controversial figure, so it’s…inneresting that this ‘well-known’ dirt never came up before. One of his accusers made use of forged material and another was a sketchy character whose story was such that the whole sequence of events (from the moment she met him) would have had to have taken place in one 12 day period for it to have been true.

65. To me, this can only mean that a couple of GOP senators such as Flake are saying they won’t vote for Kavanaugh unless Ford is heard.

    You’ve got four candidates for the Back-Stabbing Obstructive Jack-Wagon award. The envelopes please…

    (The oddsmakers do deem Flake the favorite; since the guy is something of a career conservative (no JD, for example), I do wonder what sort of job he has lined up after he departs Congress).

66. No difference between Ford and Mueller.
    Both know who the guilty man is.
    Neither can present evidence of the crime.

67. If Moore marrying a women 20 years younger than him was never a problem for republicans then why all of a sudden a history of him dating younger girls who were legal suddenly becomes a problem. Logic says He had to have dated someone young in order to be able to marry someone young right? There was no concrete proof that the molestation happened, Moore was convicted in the court of public opinion that he must be guilty of molestation because of the circumstantial evidence that he dated younger girls, which is absurd since moore in his situation who was in his early 30s who spent years in military and then law school having to date younger women with the aim of marriage was understandable since most women in his age range had already been married. Parents want stability for their daughters Moore in his 30s with a respectable job was a desirable bachelor. People need to look at things in context.

68. It is horrifying to watch the Democrats and the Hillary/Soros organization that is handling Christine Ford, Demand Justice, attempt to turn Kavanaugh’s nomination into a campus rape tribunal (where women have all the rights and presumption of innocence, and where men are presumed guilty and branded rapists even when acquitted). This nonsense is after the theatrics of Kavanaugh’s hearing, where he had to endure hysterical, screaming activists behind is back and the silly Handmaiden LARPers outside. Ford should not expect more safety or respect than was given Kavanaugh.

    Testify, don’t, whatever. Enough with all of the theatrics and games.

69. Dr. Ford needs a lot more help than five cents can give.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiqyobSgc_dAhUjyoMKHZXFDYQQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpeanuts.wikia.com%2Fwiki%2FLucy%2527s_psychiatry_booth&psig=AOvVaw2rQUFpn7tXpESRYfj3Q3l7&ust=1537719333323324

70. Lets expose just how much this dance is really Senate Kabuki theater.

    1) this is a Judiciary Committee vote to send the Kavanaugh nomination to the full senate.

    2) if any Republican might vote against Kavanaugh, they don’t need to do so now. They have a second chance to so so when the full senate votes on the nomination.

    3) so if a Republican senator (Flake, Collins, Murkowski?) is using this to delay proceedings, why exactly? Even if soul-damning testimony came from Blasey-Ford after the Judiciary Committee voted to send the nomination to the senate floor, any Republican could still vote “no” at that time and with two of them they could defeat the nomination from the floor.

    My guess, Blasey-Ford & Co are going to delay up to the time of Monday’s vote and then complain after the vote is taken that they weren’t given the opportunity to be heard. IMO the point here is not to testify, not to be heard, but to set the stage for complaining that the Republicans refused to hear her testimony. Grassley must know he is being played. Is he giving Ford & Co. enough rope to hang themselves?

71. Michael–And that’s the whole idea.

72. According to the girl’s story, Moore went on a date with an underage girl with her consent, we are not sure if Moore knew of her age, she said he did. At the end of the date Moore parked somewhere near her house, started touching her with the intention according to her of going for the home run. She told him to stop, he honored her request immediately and then dropping her off somewhere near her house, that’s it, that is like whole story according to her. even if we believe everything she said, and we all agree that it was not the most honorable thing for a man to do, but the takeaway is she said no, he stopped, he took her home and they never saw each other again, it was more an indiscretion than actual sexual assault, and Moore was denied the chance to cross examine his accuser and due process.

    We didn’t defend Moore because we loved him as a person, we defended our rights for due process. An honorable person like Kavanaugh being denied the due process is the direct result of us not defending Moore’s due process because we didn’t like him, can the dim witted rinos see that?

73. If Moore marrying a women 20 years younger than him was never a problem for republicans

    She’s 14 years younger than he is. He’s her 2d husband. For all the inflammatory blather about Moore being a ‘pedophile’ and what not, the woman he married was a divorcee with a child.

74. https://pjmedia.com/trending/poking-a-hole-in-professor-fords-fear-of-flying-excuse/

75. Expat.
    I know the one sentence was tied to the one sentence but most will disagree that a woman should not question her role in criminal situations.

    There are bad people and they are to blame. Have a wonderful day!

76. Art Deco:
    My miscalculation, but you know what? in 1977 the year the allegation supposed to happen, you know how old was Moore’s accuser? 16, you know how old was Moore? 30. a 14 years gap just the same as him and his wife. and most of the other women Moore dated that Washington Post bought up to show that he was a pedo had even narrower age differences.

    my point about Moore and his wife’s age difference is similar to him and his accusers remains valid. He wasn’t playing around, that was the type of woman he was searching for to marry.

77. From everything I’ve read, it seems Mrs. Ford is a deeply troubled woman. A drunken encounter has so deeply scarred her that she has to have a bedroom with multiple entries. She is unable to fly, as being in an enclosed cabin is too traumatic. This episode left her so incredibly troubled, yet she can remember very few details. This seems incongruous.
    Did she ever seek therapy, prior to the marriage counseling 30 years later?
    It appears this event has affected everything in her life, including her professional career.
    As a professor, she has been rated poorly by students taking her classes– rated 2.3 out of 5. Now students rating a teacher poorly can mean a lot of things, but the comments are as much about her personality as her teaching.

    “Christine ford is the worst educator I have ever experienced,” one student wrote. “Avoid taking her class and avoid any interaction with this person. I feel like she has something wrong with her and I am surprised no one has caught this. Also avoid fullerton’s MSW program as long as she is there.”

    Here’s a positive review:

    “You know, she’s a tough cookie and may not be that personable, but I really like her as a professor and feel that I would enjoy taking her for another course in the future,” a student wrote in 2013. “Stay on her good side though and participate.”

    The most positive review she received conceded that “her personality is polarizing” but said the class was still worthwhile.

    https://www.theburningplatform.com/2018/09/17/somethings-wrong-with-her-christine-fords-students-savage-her-in-reviews/

    While I tend to believe Judge Kavanaugh, I do think something traumatic did happen to Mrs. Ford, but just not with Kavanaugh.

    This is not going to be the therapy Mrs. Ford needs.

78. Art Deco:

    you just proved and validated another point I tried to make, if the woman he ended marrying was a divorcee with a child who still was 14 younger than him, how difficult would it be for him to date desirable women around his age who weren’t married? He had to go young, because the only desirable bachelorettes left in town were under 22 when he was 30.

79. Brian E:

    Those student ratings and comments about Christine Ford are about a different Christine Ford, not the accuser.

80. How funny that Moore is being branded a Pedo, but his wife is of the same age as his accuser and no one has ever called him a Pedo because of his marriage. He is such a monster that what he did would be perfectly legal in half of states in America right now. the fact remains that she told him to stop, and he stopped, not pestering her until she cave pretty much makes him a gentleman among liberals. Moore’s history of sexual conduct in the last 35 years is as perfect as anyone else including Pence and Kavanaugh, yeah let’s disqualify him for a thing he might have or might not have done 40 years ago.

    If You don’t defend Moore’s right to a fair trial and presumption of innocence because he was supported by bannon and you don’t like him, you leave everyone you like who lives his life as pure as Pence and Kavanaugh vulnerable. In this political climate does it matter to live your life like Cosby or Kavanaugh, in the left’s eyes you are the same sexist pig.

81. Let’s stay on the topic of Ford and Kavanaugh.

    On that topic, When was Kavanaugh first named by CBF? Not in the therapist notes.

82. Dave:

    If you do a search on this blog, you can see that I defended Moore at the time. I was one of the few. The accusations against him were very suspect, including the timing. And I did this despite the fact that I really don’t like Moore.

83. Flake by himself cannot torpedo the nomination. He could stop the approval by the Judiciary committee but it could still be brought up for a vote by McConnell. It would take one more Republican sellout. I read on the ‘net that Collins and Murkowski probably would not since they plan to run again. A betrayal like this would be remembered. They also like being in the majority and Kavanaugh going down would probably cause a rout of Republicans across the board. But Corker is another strong contender in the race for the “John McCain Memorial Stab Your Fellow Republicans in the Back Media Darling Maverick Award” since he is also not going to run and it would guarantee some well paying media appearances and a lucrative book deal.

    Still, it does not look good. My prediction is that Ford will testify after they milk all the delay they can. She will shed a few tears and there will be a media firestorm. The Republicans are nothing if not cowardly so it will get dicey.

84. Thanks neo for the clarification that this is not the same Christine Ford. I usually try and verify links before posting them, but I’m in a hurry to get out of town to my granddaughter’s birthday party.

    But it doesn’t change my original point that all is not well with Mrs. Ford.

    I haven’t seen mentioned that the reason she’s so vague on the details is she was stumbling drunk. Someone, no doubt, had to drive her to the party. It may have been at someone’s house she didn’t know, hence the reason she can’t identify the location.

    It fits her story. Alcohol does that, despite her assertion she’d had ‘one’ beer. How many times have I heard that excuse!

85. Neo:

    I know, I remember, my arguments were not directed at you but some others conservatives who still believe that not defending Moore was a good move because only by not defending bad people like Moore they reserve their credibility to defend good Kavanaugh. No, not really, this debacle has proven exactly that. Moore’s accusations were as flimsy as Kavanaugh, they had more time to smooth out the accusation against Moore by producing a few more (pseudo) victims to pad up the number of accusations against Moore to make it more believable by substituting evidence with number. GOP hated Moore and Bannon, they wanted to get rid of the “populist” insurgence within so they went along and withdraw their support for Moore and refused to defend him and his right to due process, pretty much cave in to the Left because they hated Bannon, Moore and Trump just as much. Now their own Kanavaugh suffers the consequences of their betrayal against President Trump and his base, and no man is safe now because they didn’t defend the fundamental principles of law and order.

    However I am sure many RINOs have nothing to worry about, when have Eunuchs ever needed to worry about false rape accusations?

86. Bob:

    That’s why I wrote “a couple of GOP senators such as Flake,” and “Flake et al.” It takes more than Flake, of course.

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88. NOW: She can’t fly due to fear of being in an enclosed space.

    They offered to come to her but noooo.

    This woman has serious issues.

89. Ford is an archetypal stalker of celebrities, she is like billie Jean in the famous Michael Jackson’s song, someone imagined themselves to be victims of some imagined relationships with target celebrities. This metoo believe the victim cult empowers crazies like her because their delusional fantasies are good tools for democrats to use to bring down political oppositions. her aerophobia is a clear sign that she is mentally unstable, but of course she would spin it like a typical liberal that her mental illness was caused by the ordeal Kavanaugh put her through. This woman is insane, if Glenn Close is 20 years younger she would be perfect to play Ford in the hollywood adaption of this mess, close can still play her lawyer though.

    How can others cope with injustice like this?

90. Try to be understanding. She’s still very upset about the whole thing. Recent reporting indicates she needs four or five days to drive to DC because she is afraid of flying, owing to the terrible assault. On an unrelated note, she did an internship in Hawaii.

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92. So now she has apparently agreed to testify, but wants a Thursday hearing (back to one of the original demands that was rejected).

    The Dems now say they will continue pushing even if Kavanaugh is confirmed and seated; they will push for his impeachment. I say then there is nothing to lose by confirming his appointment and seating him on SCOTUS. Go for it!

93. I’m pretty sure we will see a live stream of her driving with a caravan of supporters.

    Maybe in a white Ford Bronco.

    Or…. in a Hybrid.

    Probably a donated Tesla for the last 300 miles.

    Crowds lining the streets with pink hats

94. My solution is to vote out ALL the incumbents with very few exceptions.
    Time to start over.

95. “I’m pretty sure we will see a live stream of her driving with a caravan of supporters.

    Maybe in a white Ford Bronco.” [Baklava @3:37 pm]

    That’s funny right there.

96. Neo, I am not saying you are not aware of the rules. The statement re the rules was just an Intro to my post.

    The rules do give great opportunities for gamesmanship. IIRC Senators can change their vote. So two Republicans could announce that they are voting against Kav. McConnell could hold a vote anyway and force all the red state Dems to commit. Then one of the Republicans could change his vote and have the nomination pass with the Vice-President’s tie-breaker.

    But, of course, the Republicans are known as the dumb party for good reason.

97. Driving straight to Kavanaugh’s boyhood home….

    oooh. the drama. I can see her meditate on the front lawn.

98. “Driving straight to Kavanaugh’s boyhood home….”as a dog returns to its vomit. (Proverbs 26:11)

    Quite a difference from being so distraught that she considered leaving the country.

99. T, I’m having fun but …. if I thought of it you KNOW Katz and company had these brainstorming sessions…

100. What a grim spectacle for the whole world to see the highest legislature body of the most influential democracy on the planet being played fools by a deranged and mentally disturbed woman. This insanity must stop immediately, or nobody will take USA seriously.

101. The good old patriarchy when women knew their place was infinitely more sane and safe place than the present pandemonium where the the meanest and craziest girls lead the mobs of witch hunters. I wish to see the Sisterhood be crushed like bugs under military jackboot.The present state of the nation is a moral panic which can be stopped only by a harsh treatment, like a hysterical woman can be stopped only by an old trick of slapping at her face.

102. Sergey:

     Wow, that’s quite a statement. That totalitarian impulse dies hard. Shades of the Gulag. Brother image of sharia.

     The “good old patriarchy” in this country certainly never wanted women “crushed like bugs under military jackboot.”

103. my point about Moore and his wife’s age difference is similar to him and his accusers remains valid. He wasn’t playing around, that was the type of woman he was searching for to marry.

     You fancy his kink was women 14 years his junior?

     you just proved and validated another point I tried to make,

     I did nothing of the kind

     if the woman he ended marrying was a divorcee with a child who still was 14 younger than him, how difficult would it be for him to date desirable women around his age who weren’t married? He had to go young, because the only desirable bachelorettes left in town were under 22 when he was 30.

     Dave, he was 38. He was in the age group wherein you have to make some compromises you wouldn’t have made earlier. The problem is more acute for women, but men face it too. A 35 year old spinster generally has some issues. A 24 year old divorcee generally has some issues. He didn’t have to do anything but make trade-offs.

104. Sergey:

     Whether the senators are in fact being played fools by her depends on how it ends up. It’s still not clear.

     It certainly looks that way at the moment, however.

105. “The “good old patriarchy” in this country certainly never wanted women “crushed like bugs under military jackboot.”” Of course, it did not, because it never needed to. The punishment for women misbehavior was meted out not by men themselves, but by their wives, sisters and mothers. And it was quite efficient while normal moral order was unquestioned and universally accepted. Frowning upon, slut shaming, the threat of social exclusion were sufficient to keep the norms and decorum firmly anchored. Only in morally and ideologically divided society more violent measures are requested. This was the situation at the beginning of Reformation, and it led to Thirty Years War in Europe, and to Civil War in USA. The problem with all women movements is that they always lack discipline, hierarchy and stable principles. Women never can form an army, only a mob, which is good only at disruption of moral order and undermining institutions, but never can create a new stable moral order and institutions supporting it. Every new wave of feminism is at war with the previous one, so in reality the Sisterhood is more like spiders in a can eating each others. Hierarchy, discipline and consistency of goals needs men at the helm and can never be achieved by any other way.

106. Sergey:

     That’s exactly the sort of “reasoning” that totalitarians use to discriminate against any group. Your argument doesn’t even cite statistics. I could give you tons of evidence that men have mucked up just about every society they’ve been in charge of—most definitely including the country in which you reside, which has a very dark history.

     But I don’t generalize about what men do when they’re in charge from the history of the Soviets or the Nazis. I don’t ascribe their sins to all men.

     You are showing yourself to be emotional and irrational, by the way.

107. From the Ann Coulter Tweet #1
     [this is me joining in]

     Replying to @AnnCoulter
     Can’t she hitch a ride with a Chinese spy?

     And she’ll probably drive a “hybrid” with a top speed of 40 MPH. #StallTactic

     Also, isn’t she supposed to be worried about her safety? Doesn’t seem like a wise mode of long-distance travel, security-wise. Will she next be demanding a Secret Service motorcade? #TheaterOfTheAbsurd

     [waiting for the President to offer Air Force One?]

     Maybe she’s driving bc she doesn’t want to encounter foolish cowards like you in the airport.

     [The Dems didn’t care when that was Scott Pruitt’s reason for flying first class or charter jet WHILE ON official business]

     What about every fuel station? What about every Hotel? What about every restroom? What about the route she has to drive vs being in the air? Seems like there’s a lot more places than just an airport or two for foolish cowards as you say. Not everyone has an F-15 in their backyard

     This is the Twenty-First Century. How about a video conference call? Faster & Cheaper.

     This is like trying to put a toddler to bed… One more story…one more drink…I need a night light…I have to go potty… Testifying already!!!

     She supposedly can’t fly, but worked in Hawaii? Did she take a yellow submarine to get there?

     You can tell it’s a stall tactic since she said she wanted to testify last weekend and doesn’t reveal that she wont fly until a week later. If she had left on Monday she would have been on DC yesterday. #CallTheVote

     Believe if I was getting death threats I wouldn’t be driving cross country.

     [And just one of the many pix and gifs:]

     https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DnrVUexUYAEcmIa.jpg

108. From the Second Twitter of Coulter

     Sen. Feinstein produces surprise witness
     https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DnsfgEpUwAA1DU0.jpg

     [Dr. Seuss weighs in]
     https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DntORruVAAAd-a7.jpg

     [another graphic – I have no clue who this is, but I don’t think it’s “the” PBS]
     https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DntyT90XsAAeRwx.jpg

     [and don’t forget the ever-popular words of the KGB]
     https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DnrLAyvW4AEWuhs.jpg

109. Yet another twist in this bizarre story.

     At 5:51 pm Ace of Spades published a Sean Davis Tweet:

     Jeff Flake, who has been going along with Democrat efforts to delay testimony from Kavanaugh’s accuser, is preparing to vote “present” on Kavanaugh when his nomination comes to a vote in the Senate Judiciary Committee, per sources [Sean Davis @ 5:37 pm}

     If so, all of the caving by the Republicans would seem to be because of Flake’s apparent interest in sticking it to the Republicans one last time while he is in office..

     One has to wonder if Flake and Feinstein colluded prior to the letter being released and all of these machinations, delays, and chaos were intended by the Dems.

110. Neo, I never asserted that male dominated societies are inherently moral or just, I totally agree that they can be very, very cruel, as all Muslim societies invariably are. Russia, by the way, is a poor example of patriarchy: historically there were many women on the throne, and in many aspects even Communist regime had a lot of women in position of power and in professions. More than half of judges, school principals, doctors and scientists were and are women here. I only assert that male dominated societies at least can be stable and efficient, while no female dominated society is known in history, and one need not any statistics to recognize this fact. Stability and efficiency is based on hierarchies, on chain of command – in army, in administration, in all corporations and all big collectives of people, and men have innate sense of subordination, of necessity to obey those who are above you in social hierarchy, which women in general totally lack.

111. My solution is to vote out ALL the incumbents with very few exceptions.
     Time to start over.

     Unfeasible. The Deep State and the Federal Reserve doesn’t work for you peons and thus you do not have the power to get rid of them. You can get rid of the Surface State and the bureaucrats and the politicians, but those are not the top hierarchy bosses of District of Columbia.

     America works for the DS, not the other way around.

112. Sergey:

     You are missing the point, which is that denying women rights does not create a better society. You are suggesting that it does and that it should occur, at the hands of a military dictatorship.

     And are you really denying that the political leadership of the USSR and Nazi Germany was predominently male?
     As were MOST of the rulers of old Russia, despite a few female monarchs.

     As for societies, matriarchies are few and far between, which is unsurprising considering the way childbearing works, as well as dominance behaviors. The Iroquois are usually considered an example, however.

113. I do not advocate denying women rights, but I do advocate denying them some special privileges like right to ruin men’s lives by baseless accusations of sexual misconduct, which most modern feminist demand. And I do not deny that political leadership of USSR and of Nazi Germany was predominantly male, but this is completely irrelevant to their totalitarian nature, because political leadership of all nations on the Earth of this historical period was predominately male. This was and actually is a natural order of things which will inevitably reassert itself everywhere. I also see no correlation between authoritarian rule and discrimination of minorities: democracies can be just as discriminatory in this respect as any dictatorship, or even worse. We recently seen this in Egypt, where democratically elected president Morsi severely persecuted Christians, and military dictator Al-Sisi who toppled him by military coup provided them with full protection of the state.

114. Sergey:

     It is obvious that I am against any special right to have women’s testimony against men believed or treated any different than any other testimony.

     I was responding to this statement of yours, which you seem to now have backed off from somewhat:

     I wish to see the Sisterhood be crushed like bugs under military jackboot.The present state of the nation is a moral panic which can be stopped only by a harsh treatment, like a hysterical woman can be stopped only by an old trick of slapping at her face.

115. May be, I was somewhat too angry, even enraged, when I wrote this, but I still see no delivery from the present intolerable situation in the framework of the ordinary political process, so some violent events can be expected. The hangover after decades of straggling for women rights will not be pretty. The pendulum will swing in the opposite direction, and nobody knows for sure how far. As for your proposition that I do not trust women because I was surrounded by a wrong subset of them, here in Russia, read what Megan Fox wrote about American ones: “4. Don’t trust women
     Sorry to say it, but my sex offends and horrifies me. Between Stormy Daniels and Ford, women are a disgrace. Contrary to the saccharine platitude that “women don’t lie,” women lie all the time. They lie like crazy. The younger they are, the more they lie and scheme. It’s probably the rage of hormones and insecurity that contribute to it, but most women lie and scheme.” pjmedia.com/parenting/how-christine-blasey-ford-proof-your-son/

116. Sergey:

     Yes, I was responding to the comment you made in anger.

     The things women do sometimes revolt me. The things men do sometimes revolt me. Women and men lie. I’ve seen tons of it from both sexes but no, women don’t lie “all the time.” That statement is itself a lie or profoundly ignorant and stupid.

117. Sergey:

     And I have long been alarmed at the excesses of MeToo, which seem mostly female-driven. But plenty of men are on board with the movement, so it’s by no means just women.

118. Neo and Sergey both have points: as I assume that Sergey did not mean “Sisterhood” to stand for “all women”, and that “jackboot” was hyperbolic invective; and that Neo is quite correct when she states that most societies (or at least polities) have been formed and then run by men, and that most of these polities were or became rigged systems which some men then used to perpetuate and cause to function to the advantage of a limited number of men.

     Here’s the problem. This particular polity, was not designed as a social solidarity mission, chartered to care to the needs of craven moral and physical cowards who cannot muster the courage to fight for , or even use, the legal rights which have been handed to them on a plate.

     But that is what half of the hedonic nihilist peasants – no matter ho accomplished or wealthy – in the this country, and more than half in the rest of the world, want for themselves. They are unfitted, they know they are unfitted, and they are disinterested in living as, citizens of a libertarian, rule of law polity. They are as morally corrupt, self-centered, and quite as honorless and conscienceless as the most vicious robber baron or commissar.

     The moral equation is simple. If you are not willing to go to court, then you don’t deserve to reside in a system with functioning courts. If you are not willing in the final analysis (and I do not mean unable) to retaliate against a rapist yourself, then you don’t deserve to have others pick up the sword , i.e., stand in, for you.

     Where is and was this woman’s sense of honor? It clearly never existed in the first place. As Haidt has noticed they have deliberately descended beneath both freedom (personal, earned, honor) and presumed dignity … into …

     So look what the G*ddamned cowards and neurotics have finally done to our system of laws and social mores. They have killed the culture of honor. Even the culture of presumed dignity was too much for them. They have made the entire nation into a virtual insane asylum in order to accommodate their needs. Why do they even want this? Because an asylum which enthralls everyone to the service of their neuroses and disabilities, is the only system in which they can thrive.

     Again, make no mistake: I think that rapists deserve the death penalty. The problem is that too many rape victims themselves believe otherwise, and they would turn the entire world to the service of their double-mindedness: protect me, but on my terms.

     If you will not, and I repeat will not, kill in order to protect yourself, why should anyone else do it for you … or even respect you as a peer among them?

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